duncja Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Bro it's way deeper than season stats. Trust me. It's really a play by play analysis. Smitty and the boys have that analysis. I don't but I'm willing to do it if necessary.You have to be good in three phases to win in the NFL. We haven't been that good. The offense has been the worst phase at this point in my opionion. They all were bad though.There is no way you can legitimately believe that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted November 25, 2009 Author Share Posted November 25, 2009 Or for putting up 27 in New Orleans.Fact is, that in the NFL, if an offense puts up more than 20 points, it has done it's job. This isn't college where everyone has to score 35 points to win a game.I'm sorry FFS1970, but your logic is somewhat flawed. Peyton,If we're going to say a majority of the blame (but not all) is on the defense, I'll go with that.In that case, I'm with you on looking at trends and seeing what has gone wrong. How are we doing game by game on rushing yards allowed? passing yards allowed? red zone efficiency? sack totals? hurries? Is there any way we can get stats for specific player packages (i.e. when JA98 is lined up at NT)?Really my point wasn't to assign blame, it was just to illustrate clearly what has changed from the first 5 weeks to the the second 5 weeks. The offense has been pretty consistent in it's performance, the defense hasn't. That's just the way it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mattyicefalcon Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 After 5 games, the Falcons were 4-1 and most fans were pretty happy with where things were going, both with the offense and with the defense. Five games later, the Falcons are 5-5 and some folks are looking for where it all went wrong. People want to blame Matt Ryan, people blame Mike Mularkey, people blame injuries, and some people blame the defense.I think that everyone realizes that playing 4 of the last 5 games on the road is key as well, it's just that some people expected the Falcons to win 2 or more of those games. But stricly from an offensive and defensive perspective, I was interested in giving it a look to see if I could figure out exactly where the problem lies.Falcons points scored first 5 weeks - 123Falcons points scored next 5 weeks - 129Falcons points allowed first 5 weeks - 77Falcons points allowed next 5 weeks - 151Falcons offensive yards gained first 5 weeks - 1639Falcons offensive yards gained next 5 weeks - 1798Falcons defensive yards allowed first 5 weeks - 1796Falcons defensive yards allowed next 5 weeks - 1999Falcons offensive TDs scored first 5 weeks - 16Falcons offensive TDs scored next 5 weeks - 14Falcons defensive TDs allowed first 5 weeks - 8Falcons defensive TDs allowed next 5 weeks - 17Falcons turnovers first 5 weeks - 7Falcons turnovers next 5 weeks - 10Falcons turnovers forced first 5 weeks - 12Falcons turnovers forced next 5 weeks - 7So after looking this over, I think I've determined where the Falcons are regressing, and it's not on the offensive side of the ball.mark my words! we are just about to witness the best offense in the league......the results will take care of itself....regardless how many yards/pts allowed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbendon Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Bro it's way deeper than season stats. Trust me. It's really a play by play analysis. Smitty and the boys have that analysis. I don't but I'm willing to do it if necessary.You have to be good in three phases to win in the NFL. We haven't been that good. The offense has been the worst phase at this point in my opionion. They all were bad though.I realize that we don't have all the high tech film luxuries they have, but I'm just saying that if you attribute something in those two games aside from the very acceptable amount of points that they scored (ex. costly turnovers, ect.) then please explain. It might be useful and I'm open to explanation. I'm thinking about putting everyone's takes and info together and developing my personal analysis later this evening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
norbendon Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 Really my point wasn't to assign blame, it was just to illustrate clearly what has changed from the first 5 weeks to the the second 5 weeks. The offense has been pretty consistent in it's performance, the defense hasn't. That's just the way it is.That's cool. At this point I'm very interested in seeing if we can compile as many stats as possible so we can put together a more complete analysis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted November 25, 2009 Share Posted November 25, 2009 There is no way you can legitimately believe that.Yes sir I do. After ten games the Atlanta Falcons offense has been the worst unit when it comes to win/loss inducing plays. Post your position. I'm ready to defend.By the way please be ready to check all three and outs, dropped passes, fumbles, picks, sacks, overthrown TDs, Captain Hook snipe kicks, red zone miscues, stupid as offensive penalties, run game disappearing acts, short field turnovers, goal to go conversions, and the other 25 offensive metrics. OK? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncja Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 Yes sir I do. After ten games the Atlanta Falcons offense has been the worst unit when it comes to win/loss inducing plays. Post your position. I'm ready to defend.By the way please be ready to check all three and outs, dropped passes, fumbles, picks, sacks, overthrown TDs, Captain Hook snipe kicks, red zone miscues, stupid as offensive penalties, run game disappearing acts, short field turnovers, goal to go conversions, and the other 25 offensive metrics. OK? Offense:#14 in yards#9 in points#8 in 3rd down conversions#8 in 1st downs per gameDefense:#28 in yards#19 in points#31 in 3rd downs converted#28 in 1st downs allowed per game.So, our offense scores more points than the majority of the league, has a better 3rd down conversion percentage, and more 1st downs than the majority of the league.Meanwhile, our defense give up more yards, points, 3rd down conversions, and 1st downs than the majority of the league.Defend that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 I won't argue with that. The Falcons did enough on offense to win the Giants game though, that loss was on the D. And Elam. And Jenkins.And not scoring after the D forced a TOAnd Ryan fumbling the ball to the giants right before half.And a short field from a horrible punt.A bend but don't break D needs an O that doesn't give the opponents a short field and a special teams unit that can pin a team deep. Falcons blew it with both those requirements in the first half of the Giants game.Not saying there aren't problems on D, but the other parts of the team didn't help them much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rounz Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 (edited) All these stats are good, but I don't think they're telling the whole story.Again, it just might be my expectations of what our O is capable of.But I think another stat for the last 5 games that would be interesting (but probably be too much trouble) would be how long the O kept the ball on the next series after (1) the D had been on the field extensively during the previous series of downs; or (2) the D got a turnover. Edited November 26, 2009 by rounz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 Offense:#14 in yards#9 in points#8 in 3rd down conversions#8 in 1st downs per gameDefense:#28 in yards#19 in points#31 in 3rd downs converted#28 in 1st downs allowed per game.So, our offense scores more points than the majority of the league, has a better 3rd down conversion percentage, and more 1st downs than the majority of the league.Meanwhile, our defense give up more yards, points, 3rd down conversions, and 1st downs than the majority of the league.Defend that.There you go posting season stats again. Yeah you can rack up stats when you put up 45 points and a bunch of yards against SF. Problem is that's not who you will have to beat to win a Lombardi.Now post the offensive stats in these games >>>> MIA, CHI, NE, DAL, NO, CAR and NYG. We went 2-5 in those games bro and it can be easily argued that the offense had some horrible games in that stretch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted November 26, 2009 Author Share Posted November 26, 2009 (edited) FFS1970, I normally enjoy a debate with you. In this case though, you just aren't bringing anything to the table. At all. You haven't even disputed a single deficiency the defense has shown over the last 5 games. Edited November 26, 2009 by Peyton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted November 26, 2009 Author Share Posted November 26, 2009 There you go posting season stats again. Yeah you can rack up stats when you put up 45 points and a bunch of yards against SF. Problem is that's not who you will have to beat to win a Lombardi.Now post the offensive stats in these games >>>> MIA, CHI, NE, DAL, NO, CAR and NYG. We went 2-5 in those games bro and it can be easily argued that the offense had some horrible games in that stretch.If you score 3 TDs on offense you didn't have a horrible game. Just as a general rule. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted November 26, 2009 Author Share Posted November 26, 2009 FFS1970, I got a couple of questions for you, and I asked one of them already, and you seem to have missed it. Are you aware that the Falcons have scored 30 offensive TDs, putting them on pace to score 48 offensive TDs, and that the franchise record for offensive TDs is 46?Secondly, did you know that this is the only team in franchise history to score more than 17 points in nine out of its first 10 games?All this despite playing 6 of 10 games on the road and having to play 4 teams coming off the bye.Just curious since you called the offense inept if you were aware of these facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 FFS1970, I normally enjoy a debate with you. In this case though, you just aren't bringing anything to the table. At all. You haven't even disputed a single deficiency the defense has shown over the last 5 games.I did it in Post #63. Here it is again:This is how I would rate the units that had the most impact on our wins and losses.WINSMIA (19-7) - DEFCAR (28-20) - OFFSF (45-10) - DEF, OFF, STCHI (21-14) - DEFWAS (31-17) - DEF, OFF, STTOTAL - DEF(4), OFF(3), ST(2)LOSSESNE (26-10) - DEF, OFFDAL (37-21) - DEF, OFF, STNO (35-27) - DEF, OFF, STCAR (28-19) - DEF, OFFNYG (34-31) - DEF, OFF STTOTAL - DEF(5), OFF(5), ST(3)NET TOTAL = DEF(-1), OFF(-2), ST(-1) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firstiary Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 (edited) I did it in Post #63. Here it is again:This is how I would rate the units that had the most impact on our wins and losses.WINSMIA (19-7) - DEFCAR (28-20) - OFFSF (45-10) - DEF, OFF, STCHI (21-14) - DEFWAS (31-17) - DEF, OFF, STTOTAL - DEF(4), OFF(3), ST(2)LOSSESNE (26-10) - DEF, OFFDAL (37-21) - DEF, OFF, STNO (35-27) - DEF, OFF, STCAR (28-19) - DEF, OFFNYG (34-31) - DEF, OFF STTOTAL - DEF(5), OFF(5), ST(3)NET TOTAL = DEF(-1), OFF(-2), ST(-1)That's just subjective. And I still say you're wrong to not credit the Offense vs MIA.If our offense plays our defense, who wins? Edited November 26, 2009 by Firstiary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JD dirtybird21 Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 After 5 games, the Falcons were 4-1 and most fans were pretty happy with where things were going, both with the offense and with the defense. Five games later, the Falcons are 5-5 and some folks are looking for where it all went wrong. People want to blame Matt Ryan, people blame Mike Mularkey, people blame injuries, and some people blame the defense.I think that everyone realizes that playing 4 of the last 5 games on the road is key as well, it's just that some people expected the Falcons to win 2 or more of those games. But stricly from an offensive and defensive perspective, I was interested in giving it a look to see if I could figure out exactly where the problem lies.Falcons points scored first 5 weeks - 123Falcons points scored next 5 weeks - 129Falcons points allowed first 5 weeks - 77Falcons points allowed next 5 weeks - 151Falcons offensive yards gained first 5 weeks - 1639Falcons offensive yards gained next 5 weeks - 1798Falcons defensive yards allowed first 5 weeks - 1796Falcons defensive yards allowed next 5 weeks - 1999Falcons offensive TDs scored first 5 weeks - 16Falcons offensive TDs scored next 5 weeks - 14Falcons defensive TDs allowed first 5 weeks - 8Falcons defensive TDs allowed next 5 weeks - 17Falcons turnovers first 5 weeks - 7Falcons turnovers next 5 weeks - 10Falcons turnovers forced first 5 weeks - 12Falcons turnovers forced next 5 weeks - 7So after looking this over, I think I've determined where the Falcons are regressing, and it's not on the offensive side of the ball.But it is on the offensive side of the ball, Matt Ryan is not playing better than Peyton Manning, therefore he sucks, and its his fault our team is losing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted November 26, 2009 Author Share Posted November 26, 2009 I did it in Post #63. Here it is again:This is how I would rate the units that had the most impact on our wins and losses.WINSMIA (19-7) - DEFCAR (28-20) - OFFSF (45-10) - DEF, OFF, STCHI (21-14) - DEFWAS (31-17) - DEF, OFF, STTOTAL - DEF(4), OFF(3), ST(2)LOSSESNE (26-10) - DEF, OFFDAL (37-21) - DEF, OFF, STNO (35-27) - DEF, OFF, STCAR (28-19) - DEF, OFFNYG (34-31) - DEF, OFF STTOTAL - DEF(5), OFF(5), ST(3)NET TOTAL = DEF(-1), OFF(-2), ST(-1)Well Ok, I don't really want to argue with you on just completely opinion based stuff. Especially if you think the Falcons defense should get credit for their performance against the Washington Redskins. The Redskins had not scored more than 17 points against anybody at the time that game was played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firstiary Posted November 26, 2009 Share Posted November 26, 2009 The combo of a porous defense and Matt Ryan playing inconsistent--dare I say very mediocre--football are our biggest problems. Both of these things were fairly predictable at the start of the season, though. Yet we still have a shot at making the playoffs.In the NFL, if your QB is in the bottom half of the league performance-wise, you shouldn't expect to win much unless you have a monstrous defense--and we don't. If we're going to win this season, Matt's going to have to carry us on his young shoulders and make up for our defensive inadequacies. But if he doesn't, no big deal. That would just be gravy.Hopefully next year Matt takes a big step forward and our defense gets a lot stouter. Then we should really be in business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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