NFL Insider MILLER Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 (edited) SMH NFL INSIDER MILLER REPORTING Edited November 24, 2009 by NFL INSIDER2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyDmx Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 What good would that do? BVG is already getting as much out of those guys as he can. Building an elite defense takes time and with the amount of injuries his squad has taken it's a miracle that we still have a chance at a playoff spot. Trust me when he gets the pieces he needs to field a Gritz Blitz 2.0 defense narrow minded fans like you won't have anything negative to contribute to this board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_ATL Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 What good would that do? BVG is already getting as much out of those guys as he can. Building an elite defense takes time and with the amount of injuries his squad has taken it's a miracle that we still have a chance at a playoff spot. Trust me when he gets the pieces he needs to field a Gritz Blitz 2.0 defense narrow minded fans like you won't have anything negative to contribute to this board.I we constantly settle with only drafting players and not signing any then it will take much longer than it should. To think you can stick an entire secondary of "maybes" out there and contend w/o a pass rush is crazy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dharma Initiative Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 I don't think "BVG does what he can with a lack of talent".I think "The talent does what they can with BVG". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Snellvillain Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 I don't think "BVG does what he can with a lack of talent".I think "The talent does what they can with BVG".That would make sense if this defense had talent. Babineaux, Peterson, and Lofton. That is IT, everyone else is either none existent or they just suck ***. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarterback Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Agreed. Who can argue that our defense isn't worse and hasn't in fact regressed the past two seasons under BVG?. I won't argue about our lack of talent but with the players we have the evidence in convincing and overwhelming that our entire defense (especially the DL and DB's) is worse today than last season, and any good coach and leader should be getting improvement out of the players he coaches, not regression.That's the basic, fundamental assessment of a coach, manager or leader--is he getting the best from his players and are they progressing, regardless of their talent level? The answer for the Falcon's defense is clearly obvious. Our defense, across the board, has actually regressed this season and that's on the coaches. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quarterback Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 I don't think "BVG does what he can with a lack of talent".I think "The talent does what they can with BVG".Nail on the head! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tandy Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 I'm with ya man!!!! Let's follow the lead of the Tampa Bay Buccaneers! Look how well it's working for them - wow - genius, I tell ya! :ph34r: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crankdatfalcon Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 i seen the coodinator was demoted, not fired and raheem the dream will take over playcalling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
S y C o B i R d Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 What good would that do? BVG is already getting as much out of those guys as he can. Building an elite defense takes time and with the amount of injuries his squad has taken it's a miracle that we still have a chance at a playoff spot. Trust me when he gets the pieces he needs to field a Gritz Blitz 2.0 defense narrow minded fans like you won't have anything negative to contribute to this board.Defensively broad thinking would be hold out 6 or 10 years for that top ten draft and pick up whatever position you need that year till finally you have ten years of first round draft picks on your defense. Then call yourself Gritz Blitz 2.0 which you didnt know about till best **** sports show, did one of those best **** top 1000 irrelevent facts from 40 years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muskokas finest © Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Can't fire the players and at times the defense appears to blow assignments, butTampa can make rash decisions cause they are done. We aren't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malk Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 (edited) I would not say its our DC fault. I would fire our OC before we fire our DC. At least our DC is trying his best with a secondary that is not really talented.Plenty of times in Sundays game our guys were in the right place in coverage but they fail to turn their head to make a play on the ball *cough* Houston *cough*. Edited November 24, 2009 by malk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john_winger Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 That would make sense if this defense had talent. Babineaux, Peterson, and Lofton. That is IT, everyone else is either none existent or they just suck ***.#71??? He has no talent???? Methinks you might be a little harsh.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlacksburgHokie Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 I wouldn't mind seeing Smith take a more active roll in calling the defense.That being said, the time to change coordinators/schemes is during the offseason, not in the middle of the season... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetUSom3 Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 I think if Tampa's Defense is ranked higher than our Defense when they relieved him, perhaps we should take the time to consider the same. Lack of talent cannot cover this guy for everything. It's a known fact that if your secondary is lacking-you attack the quarterback! How many times have we seen that this year??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brewcrew Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 BVG is not the problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuerillaOntology Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 (edited) What good would that do? BVG is already getting as much out of those guys as he can. Building an elite defense takes time and with the amount of injuries his squad has taken it's a miracle that we still have a chance at a playoff spot. Trust me when he gets the pieces he needs to field a Gritz Blitz 2.0 defense narrow minded fans like you won't have anything negative to contribute to this board.Dialing up schemes that do not answer to our player's strengths is all on him, not our players.That said, our secondary aren't making things any better so we have to consider that it may be a combination of both perspectives? Is that concept so hard to grasp? Or does it have to be one or the other? Edited November 24, 2009 by GuerillaOntology Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ugadawg Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 BVG is fine. He does not have the players he needs to run his D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetUSom3 Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Our Defense is giving up an average of 279.5 yards per game, can't blame the CB's for everything. BVG should know that we have to bring some heat on the QB to disrupt the passing game, for the most part, or blitz package is non-existent. This has to be on BVG, it's hard to deny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falcon Freddie Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 I'm not exactly a big Brian VanGorder fan myself, but this talk of dumping BVG in mid season is made by a bunch of morons who know they will never be called on to take responsibility for what they advocate. Get real guys.If BVG is dumped, what do you think his replacement (either someone from outside the Falcons organization or some assistant coach promoted) going to do? Wave a magic wand and turn Houston and Grimes into pro-bowl quality corners? The sad fact is with 2/3 of the games now played the Falcons - and every other team in the NFL - are now committed to go the distance with the personnel on hand today.Would I be sad to see VanGorder dismissed at the end of the season? Not too much. But I'm not quite as down on BVG as some others. We all knew at the beginning of the season that the Falcons defense - especially the secondary - was a big question mark. Well, it's not a question mark any more.Heck with it - just get to 9-7 this season and we'll work from there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyoshot Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Apples and oranges. Their defense is MUCH worse than the Falcons, and they tried to change to a scheme their team wasn't built for. Also, before you give so much credit to the coach, he is the same guy that brought both the offensive and defensive coordinators in that he has now fired and demoted respectively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetUSom3 Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 Actually their defense is ranked above Atlanta this year. Where do you get MUCH worse from?Click for Proof:blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigmildog Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 I don't think that firing the DC will help the situation at all. Unless the new DC can play corner. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dyoshot Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 I don't think that firing the DC will help the situation at all. Unless the new DC can play corner. :PCoach Morris is just looking for a scapegoat for his horrible decisions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconidae Posted November 24, 2009 Share Posted November 24, 2009 That would make sense if this defense had talent. Babineaux, Peterson, and Lofton. That is IT, everyone else is either none existent or they just suck ***.Decoud , Nicholas , Coleman ,Jerry before he went out-there's some talent here, not enough, particularly on the Dline and secondary. I would not say its our DC fault. I would fire our OC before we fire our DC. At least our DC is trying his best with a secondary that is not really talented.Plenty of times in Sundays game our guys were in the right place in coverage but they fail to turn their head to make a play on the ball *cough* Houston *cough*.That's true, unfortunately, they also acted like the TE had a contagious disease they had to avoid...And for the people complaining about lack of blitzes, watch the game again- they did blitz, they just didn't get there.You don't fire coaches mid year and expect to improve. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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