Dharma Initiative Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 We drafted a physical beast in Houston. We drafted two pretty physically gifted players in Owens and Jackson. We got a physical FA in Grimes.All of these guys have only ever been coached by Thomas and they all show some of the same tendencies out there (same types of blown coverage, never turn their heads, etc).Meanwhile when we bring in a FA like Foxworth and Williams who were coached by others they come in and look spectacular next to our guys. I know Thomas is a legend for us and has been around a while, but maybe he isn't getting the job done with our draftees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statick Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 I don't know if Emmitt is the problem or not, but I cannot deny that his name did float through my mind today concerning Chris Houston. Can he not teach that dude to turn his head? Why does he put up with that bad technique from him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
taylor228193 Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 lol since when has tye hill looked spectacular??? he had the ball bounce into his hands once and took it to the house, but other than that he's been fairly pedestrian. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanfranfalcon Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 i'm for givin' HILL and OWENS the SAME time on the field that the corners that have NOT gotten it done have had!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cblack Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 i'm for givin' HILL and OWENS the SAME time on the field that the corners that have NOT gotten it done have had!!!! sigh.................can Owens be as bad as Houston?? We've seen the same thing from this guy for 3 years now..............3. He is not going to change it obvious he isn't going to get better. How did he go from park ball(if he played)to highschool,thru college and into the pros without learning how to look for the ball, or have any resemblance of ball awarness? Didn't Mckay take a receiver upto Arkansas to evaluate this guy? What was he looking at? Mckay hit some and missed some but this is a clear wiff. Finally if your vet plays like a rookie then we should play the guy who actually is a rookie! Am i being irrational............anybody!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dharma Initiative Posted November 23, 2009 Author Share Posted November 23, 2009 lol since when has tye hill looked spectacular??? he had the ball bounce into his hands once and took it to the house, but other than that he's been fairly pedestrian.When did I say anything about Hill looking good? He was coached by the Rams and then by Thomas so he falls right into my questioning of our secondary staff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
insight Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 I think the whole coaching staff is responsible to some degree, but replacing 5 starters with young unproven talent is the biggest reason. The D-Line is not able to get a consistent pass rush which is the other big problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Javader09 Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 I don't know if Emmitt is the problem or not, but I cannot deny that his name did float through my mind today concerning Chris Houston. Can he not teach that dude to turn his head? Why does he put up with that bad technique from him?Houston stays with all receivers but plays like he has a neck brace on. If he cannot learn let him sit. BTY if he and grimes were not pulled today then how bad is owen and hill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwell1 Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 i'm with u. We had a great young DeAngelo Hall but he never learned the ends and outs of the game and he couldn't get by on athletic ability anymore. so he regressed from top 5 CB in the league to anything but. besides him being recognized for what he did as a player himself i've yet to see any improvement from our own DB's under his coaching while he was in charge of the secondary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Don™ Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Alvin R. This man is the secondary coach BTW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faithful Falcon Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 No, it's not the corners, it the corner. Chris Houston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DavyDmx Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 You can't blame Thomas for someone who refuses to locate the ball in coverage (Houston) and someone who has the heart of a Lion but, the size of a mouse (Grimes). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlacksburgHokie Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 For all the hype, I've never been that impressed with him as either a gameday coach or a developer of talent. Since Thomas got here, I can't think of any corner that we've had that has gotten better than he was when we first acquired him... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da_Truth Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 I believe it's a coaching issue--because all of our DBs play the man and never play the ball. I bet if we put Houston in the Raven's system he would look like an entirely different corner. I watched how the Ravens teach their DBs to play the receiver and it's nothing like how our CBs play the receiver. I use to just think it was Houston, but not anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Da_Truth Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 For all the hype, I've never been that impressed with him as either a gameday coach or a developer of talent. Since Thomas got here, I can't think of any corner that we've had that has gotten better than he was when we first acquired him...Amen...and Alvin Reynolds must not be any better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwell1 Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Alvin R. This man is the secondary coach BTWThomas in the secondary coach though and was in charge of the DB;s long before Reynolds got here. This is only his 2nd year. We've had DB development problems for years! If Hall would have ever developed instead of getting by on athletic ability he'd be the best CB in the league by now, or atleast top 3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dharma Initiative Posted November 23, 2009 Author Share Posted November 23, 2009 For all the hype, I've never been that impressed with him as either a gameday coach or a developer of talent. Since Thomas got here, I can't think of any corner that we've had that has gotten better than he was when we first acquired him...Exactly, I know Houston has had some pretty bad days. But he is physically talented on all levels, and according to the reports he works very hard at practice.It seems like Thomas hasn't taught them anything on timing. Once you have taken so many steps it's time to turn the head and I can't imagine Houston is so dumb that he never does. I think he's coached not to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slamee101 Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 I think this is a fair question...the corners have talent but the only one that truly shows it at times is Grimes and he's so limited with his physical size/stature. Someone needs to step up and take responsibility for how poorly this secondary is playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East ATL a.k.a TROLL Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 Exactly, I know Houston has had some pretty bad days. But he is physically talented on all levels, and according to the reports he works very hard at practice.It seems like Thomas hasn't taught them anything on timing. Once you have taken so many steps it's time to turn the head and I can't imagine Houston is so dumb that he never does. I think he's coached not to.I was thinking the same thing. After watching Houston chase a receiver half way across the field you gotta know eventually you need to start playing the ball. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sdogg Posted November 23, 2009 Share Posted November 23, 2009 I think this is a fair question...the corners have talent but the only one that truly shows it at times is Grimes and he's so limited with his physical size/stature. Someone needs to step up and take responsibility for how poorly this secondary is playing.I agree. I think we only kept him since the players love him and he brought some stability to the 07 team, when he took over from Petrino Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dharma Initiative Posted January 13, 2010 Author Share Posted January 13, 2010 Thanks for listening TD! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlmycity7 Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 We drafted a physical beast in Houston. We drafted two pretty physically gifted players in Owens and Jackson. We got a physical FA in Grimes.All of these guys have only ever been coached by Thomas and they all show some of the same tendencies out there (same types of blown coverage, never turn their heads, etc).Meanwhile when we bring in a FA like Foxworth and Williams who were coached by others they come in and look spectacular next to our guys. I know Thomas is a legend for us and has been around a while, but maybe he isn't getting the job done with our draftees.If this seasons debacle can be attributed to a secondary coach, this franchise is worse off than I could have imagined. Talk about not having the fortitude of tissue paper. If the defensive coordinator is the problem, you can fix that and expect things to fall into place behind him. If a secondary coach can corrupt and bankrupt an entire defense/season, then this franchise is truly unhinged from every imaginable angle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Doktor Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 If this seasons debacle can be attributed to a secondary coach, this franchise is worse off than I could have imagined. Talk about not having the fortitude of tissue paper. If the defensive coordinator is the problem, you can fix that and expect things to fall into place behind him. If a secondary coach can corrupt and bankrupt an entire defense/season, then this franchise is truly unhinged from every imaginable angle.Corner back is not an easy position to play and its even harder to draft a good one. For every great corner there are a hundred scrubs. I think that the secondary has some discipline issues. Houston exhibits bad technique. I think he probably always did, but got away with it for years because he is such an athlete. But that will get exposed in the pro's. Maybe Emmet is doing a top notch job, but we have bricks for corners? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Upstate NY Falcon Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 I believe it's a coaching issue--because all of our DBs play the man and never play the ball. I bet if we put Houston in the Raven's system he would look like an entirely different corner. I watched how the Ravens teach their DBs to play the receiver and it's nothing like how our CBs play the receiver. I use to just think it was Houston, but not anymore.amen. just look at domonique foxworth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlmycity7 Posted January 13, 2010 Share Posted January 13, 2010 You can't blame Thomas for someone who refuses to locate the ball in coverage (Houston) and someone who has the heart of a Lion but, the size of a mouse (Grimes).News flash.They just blamed Thomas.All the money went towards offense. They let go of the guy who's unit got no attention from front office. Who determines starters anyway? Probably not Thomas. Whoever decided to start Houston is the one that should have been fired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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