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TUSCALOOSA - Coming off another big performance in a big game, Alabama sophomore running back Mark Ingram increased his lead in a respected Heisman Trophy poll.

Ingram received nine of 13 first-place votes and leads the Heismanpundit.com poll with 55 points. That's three more first-place votes and seven more points than he had last week.

And that gives him a 26-point lead. This week, he leads Houston quarterback Case Keenum. Last week, Florida quarterback Tim Tebow was in second place, 21 points behind Ingram.

Ingram ran for 144 yards and had another 30 yards receiving in third-ranked Alabama's 24-15 victory over ninth-ranked LSU. He now has gained 712 of his 1,148 yards against four ranked teams. He's averaging 7.1 yards per carry in those games against Virginia Tech (150 yards), Ole Miss (172), South Carolina (246) and LSU.

This is the fourth consecutive week Ingram has led the poll, but it isn't his biggest lead. Two weeks ago, he also received nine first-place votes and led Notre Dame quarterback Jimmy Clausen by 30 points.

Ingram has four games left before Heisman votes are due: Saturday at Mississippi State, Nov. 21 vs. Tennessee-Chattanooga, Nov. 27 at Auburn and Dec. 5 vs. top-ranked Florida in the Southeastern Conference championship game.

Each week, Heismanpundit.com polls a panel of 13 Heisman Trophy voters, who vote for five players each. A first-place vote is worth five points, a second-place vote is worth four, etc.

Ingram increased his lead in a poll of 15 ESPN experts. With 10 first-place votes, he has 65 points. No other player has more than two first-place votes. Ingram leads Keenum by 25 points and Tebow by 34. Last week, Clausen ranked second, 14 points behind Ingram.

Ingram remains atop of a ranking of CBSSports.com experts. He leads Keenum and Texas quarterback Colt McCoy.

No Alabama player has won a Heisman Trophy.

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Gerhart rumbles into Heisman Trophy consideration

November 10, 2009 11:54 AM

Posted by ESPN.com's Ted Miller

Yes, he's a big chunk of meat, this Toby Gerhart -- 235 pounds of it to be exact. When he runs -- over and over, carry after carry, trample, trample, smash, smash -- you can sense the collective shoulders start to droop on the opposing defense. "This," those defenders seem to say, "isn't as much fun as my coach told me it would be."

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Stanford running back Toby Gerhart ranks second in the nation in rushing yards per game.

But he's not Superman. He's not made of steel. After he ran for a Stanford school record 223 yards in a 51-42 win over then-No. 8 Oregon, his arms were covered in a road map of red streaks and scratches of varying depths. Gerhart absently pawed at the wounds as he talked. Maybe he was imagining the cooling relief of some cocoa butter or aloe vera? Or maybe he was thinking, "How futile these scratching and clawing defenders are! Now, where is my mutton and mead?"

"We take pride in being physical," Gerhart said. "That's our M.O."

Gerhart ranks second in the nation with 135.2 yards rushing per game. He's eclipsed 200 yards twice and he's been held under under 100 twice -- 82- and 96-yard afternoons. He's scored 16 touchdowns; only Navy's Ricky Dobbs has more. That's twice as many touchdowns as Alabama's Mark Ingram, the top running back on most Heisman Trophy lists.

"Toby's been our shining star all year," Cardinal coach Jim Harbaugh said. "He's a man. He's a true warrior."

So let's just run against conventional thinking for a moment and ask two questions. 1. Are rushing yards and touchdowns important for a running back? 2. If so, why isn't Gerhart on every Heisman Trophy list?

"Toby Gerhart proved he's one of the top running backs in the country," Oregon coach Chip Kelly said.

Kelly volunteered that after reporters asked him if Stanford, which gained 505 yards against a previously stout Oregon defense, had provided a blueprint that other teams could copy to beat the Ducks. He scoffed at the question.

"If they can get Toby Gerhart and Andrew Luck to transfer to their school, maybe they will," he said.

Gerhart, who's also a major league baseball prospect, was a good back last year. He rushed for 1,136 yards and 15 touchdowns. But he was a one-man show. The Cardinal ranked ninth in the Pac-10 in passing yards and were 91st in the nation in passing efficiency.

But redshirt freshman quarterback Andrew Luck has given the Cardinal a passing attack, which means defenses can't gang up on Gerhart.

Defenses would much prefer to gang up on Gerhart.

"Usually the first guy doesn't take him down," Kelly said. "You've got to get more than one guy to him."

Gerhart will get his Heisman Trophy stage Saturday at USC. The Cardinal are back in the national rankings. They already are bowl eligible for the first time since 2001. Beating the Trojans could thrust the Cardinal into even the Rose Bowl hunt.

And if Gerhart hangs up big numbers on a USC defense that is still trying to regain its footing?

How could this 235-pound side of beef not become a leading Heisman Trophy candidate?

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If I had a vote, it would be Ingram 1 and McCoy a VERY close 2nd. Tebow shouldn't even be in the conversation.

Tebow won't win, so no worries. And yes, he shouldn't even be near the top.

I'd have it close with Ingram and Case Keenum in 1st/2nd, then McCoy, then Clausen. If McCoy shows out for the rest of the season, he'll probably lock it down due to his senior status.

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Wait WTF? How is that possible?

Because coach Bryant’s philosophy was that players came to Alabama to win championships, not individual awards. That way of thinking has stuck and still around.. “It’s more important to be part of a great team and accomplish awards like winning national championships and SEC championships,” Ingram said.

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If I had a vote, it would be Ingram 1 and McCoy a VERY close 2nd. Tebow shouldn't even be in the conversation.

i have heard so many national guys who have said tebow is their leader.. why? because uf is undefeated which is crap.. in 2007 he won with a team that ended up with 4 losses because of his numbers not due to his team's record and now his record is impt and his pedestrian stats are ignored. There are so many better heisman candidates than tebow. In 2007 he deserved the award, in 2009 he doesn't deserve to be in new york as a finalist.

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Tebow will probably be a finalist but has little chance to win this year. His prior award works against him...just as McCoy not winning last year (when he probably should have since he wasn't playing defense against Texas Tech on the final drive) works in his favor. If you're going to pick a RB its got to be Gerhart (more yards and twice the TDs of Ingram), and if you pick a QB its probably McCoy if he plays well over the next few weeks.

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Tebow will probably be a finalist but has little chance to win this year. His prior award works against him...just as McCoy not winning last year (when he probably should have since he wasn't playing defense against Texas Tech on the final drive) works in his favor. If you're going to pick a RB its got to be Gerhart (more yards and twice the TDs of Ingram), and if you pick a QB its probably McCoy if he plays well over the next few weeks.

Big difference between running the ball in the PAC 10 and running the ball in the SEC -- and even still, Ingram averages a yard and a half more per carry thatn Gerhart. Mark Ingram has put a Top 3 team in the nation on his back from an offensive standpoint for most of the season. Gerhart is a nice runner on a decent team, but no way he has been a more valuable player than Mark Ingram.

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Big difference between running the ball in the PAC 10 and running the ball in the SEC -- and even still, Ingram averages a yard and a half more per carry thatn Gerhart. Mark Ingram has put a Top 3 team in the nation on his back from an offensive standpoint for most of the season. Gerhart is a nice runner on a decent team, but no way he has been a more valuable player than Mark Ingram.

Gerhart is white so he should win according to crabapplejoe. Everything he posts props up white players and craps on blacks. Look at Julio and Green bashing. Saying how black players with funny names get ranked higher in recruiting. His bias is obvious to anyone reading the board.

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Gerhart is white so he should win according to crabapplejoe. Everything he posts props up white players and craps on blacks. Look at Julio and Green bashing. Saying how black players with funny names get ranked higher in recruiting. His bias is obvious to anyone reading the board.

So supporting the RB who has the most yards and twice as many TDs and your "candidate" makes me a "racist".....ROTFLMAO at your 'cism. So you're hatin' on Toby Gerhart because he's white and I'm the racist...LMAO at you. Gerhart has better numbers against better defenses. I guess the folks at ESPN are "racist" for having the audacity to list Gerhart in the top nine Heisman finalists...right. In your world a white player is not supposed to play RB....just like the folks at Rivals who listed Gerhart as a "fullback" coming out of high school even though he was the third leading rusher in U.S. high school history.....yeah talk about "bias"...cracking me up.

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So supporting the RB who has the most yards and twice as many TDs and your "candidate" makes me a "racist".....ROTFLMAO at your 'cism. So you're hatin' on Toby Gerhart because he's white and I'm the racist...LMAO at you. Gerhart has better numbers against better defenses. I guess the folks at ESPN are "racist" for having the audacity to list Gerhart in the top nine Heisman finalists...right. In your world a white player is not supposed to play RB....just like the folks at Rivals who listed Gerhart as a "fullback" coming out of high school even though he was the third leading rusher in U.S. high school history.....yeah talk about "bias"...cracking me up.

If you're not biased then why didn't you bring up Ryan Mathews who has 1459 yards and 14 TD's in 30 less carries than Gerhart ? ;)

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Ingram - 1364 YDs Receiving and rushing - 11 TD's

Gerhart - 1295 YDs Receiving and rushing - 16 TD's

Let's not forget Ingram plays in the SEC. Against easy teams like North Texas and Florida Internationl when he could've pumped up his stats he only got 10 and 8 carries.

Let's compare his other games

Ingram

Virginia Tech – 185 YDs and 2 TDs

Arkansas – 71 YDs and 2 TDs

Kentucky – 146 YDs and 2 TDs

Mississippi – 188 YDs and 1 TD

South Carolina – 269 YDs and 1 TD

Tennessee – 99 YDs but 5.5 AVG

LSU – 174 YDs

Now compare that to the teams Gerhart plays.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=188524

Ingram is a beast and I’d love for him to be a Dawg. I’d take him 10 times out of 10 over Gerhart. PAC-10 isn't the SEC.

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@ToxicFalcon: Well at least you're trying to pull up football stats instead of falling back to the tired old "racism" argument like Jimsmusic. Unfortunately you fail again because you are using that old canard of "well the SECs the best" therefore.... Here's one sports writers take on the situation (please tell Jimsmusic not to send him an e-mail calling him a "racist"):

"The biggest competition, by far, for Gerhart is Alabama sophomore running back Mark Ingram, who is first on ESPN.com’s ballot, receiving 10 of the 15 first place votes. Is Ingram that much better than Gerhart?

Quite simply, no. Ingram averages 127 yards per game to Gerhart’s 135 and Gerhart has twice as many touchdowns (16) as Ingram (8). Just think about that, the most important thing a running back can do is to score and Gerhart scores twice as often as Ingram.

Normally, an Ingram supporter would point out that Ingram faces much more difficult competition than Gerhart, because Ingram is in the SEC. This year, though, the SEC has some abysmal defenses and the Pac-10 is actually better in terms of rushing defense, allowing 133 yards per game (122 not counting Washington State), compared to 136 yards per game in the SEC (132 not counting Kentucky).

In particular, Ingram has played against much poorer competition than Gerhart — Ingram has not played any team ranked higher than 39th in rush defense and three of his opponents are ranked worse than 100th in rush defense. Gerhart, on the other hand, has played three of the top 15 rush defenses and has played only one opponent worse than 100th (San Jose State).

Every statistic favors Gerhart, so it is tough to see why he should be ranked below Mark Ingram."

Tough to see why indeed.

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Ingram - 1364 YDs Receiving and rushing - 11 TD's

Gerhart - 1295 YDs Receiving and rushing - 16 TD's

Let's not forget Ingram plays in the SEC. Against easy teams like North Texas and Florida Internationl when he could've pumped up his stats he only got 10 and 8 carries.

Let's compare his other games

Ingram

Virginia Tech – 185 YDs and 2 TDs

Arkansas – 71 YDs and 2 TDs

Kentucky – 146 YDs and 2 TDs

Mississippi – 188 YDs and 1 TD

South Carolina – 269 YDs and 1 TD

Tennessee – 99 YDs but 5.5 AVG

LSU – 174 YDs

Now compare that to the teams Gerhart plays.

http://espn.go.com/ncf/player/profile?playerId=188524

Ingram is a beast and I’d love for him to be a Dawg. I’d take him 10 times out of 10 over Gerhart. PAC-10 isn't the SEC.

ingram leads the country in yards against winning teams with 189 yards per game.. the games where you opponent is worth talking about and crabapplejoe gerhart does not have 2x as many TDs as ingram, don't make up false stats.

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@ToxicFalcon: Well at least you're trying to pull up football stats instead of falling back to the tired old "racism" argument like Jimsmusic. Unfortunately you fail again because you are using that old canard of "well the SECs the best" therefore.... Here's one sports writers take on the situation (please tell Jimsmusic not to send him an e-mail calling him a "racist"):

"The biggest competition, by far, for Gerhart is Alabama sophomore running back Mark Ingram, who is first on ESPN.com’s ballot, receiving 10 of the 15 first place votes. Is Ingram that much better than Gerhart?

Quite simply, no. Ingram averages 127 yards per game to Gerhart’s 135 and Gerhart has twice as many touchdowns (16) as Ingram (8). Just think about that, the most important thing a running back can do is to score and Gerhart scores twice as often as Ingram.

Normally, an Ingram supporter would point out that Ingram faces much more difficult competition than Gerhart, because Ingram is in the SEC. This year, though, the SEC has some abysmal defenses and the Pac-10 is actually better in terms of rushing defense, allowing 133 yards per game (122 not counting Washington State), compared to 136 yards per game in the SEC (132 not counting Kentucky).

In particular, Ingram has played against much poorer competition than Gerhart — Ingram has not played any team ranked higher than 39th in rush defense and three of his opponents are ranked worse than 100th in rush defense. Gerhart, on the other hand, has played three of the top 15 rush defenses and has played only one opponent worse than 100th (San Jose State).

Every statistic favors Gerhart, so it is tough to see why he should be ranked below Mark Ingram."

Tough to see why indeed.

Blah..blah...blah. The Pac-10 is trash. Once again. Why are you pumping up Gerhart but not Mathews who beats Ingram and Gerhart in every category ?

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If you're not biased then why didn't you bring up Ryan Mathews who has 1459 yards and 14 TD's in 30 less carries than Gerhart ? ;)

Because he plays for Fresno State and is not listed as one of the nine Heisman finalists by ESPN.....is it just me or is this getting easier as the discussion goes on......LMAO at the stupidity this early in the morning...have a cup of coffee before you post...

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Because he plays for Fresno State and is not listed as one of the nine Heisman finalists by ESPN.....is it just me or is this getting easier as the discussion goes on......LMAO at the stupidity this early in the morning...have a cup of coffee before you post...

Yes seeing your agenda is pretty easy this morning. Only took a few posts.

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Because he plays for Fresno State and is not listed as one of the nine Heisman finalists by ESPN.....is it just me or is this getting easier as the discussion goes on......LMAO at the stupidity this early in the morning...have a cup of coffee before you post...

it's pretty clear from your comments above and your previous comments the above is pure wrong.. you have clearly said a player with better stats is the better player so your comments are false or not truly based on stats as you claim.

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it's pretty clear from your comments above and your previous comments the above is pure wrong.. you have clearly said a player with better stats is the better player so your comments are false or not truly based on stats as you claim.

Strength of the teams played matters suddenly when it helps his case too

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Blah..blah...blah. The Pac-10 is trash.

Yep....please explain that to Tennessee after their loss to UCLA who is next to last in the Pac-10 (and Toby Gerhart ran all over UCLA...not so much the Tennessee RB)....if the Pac-10 is trash what does that make Tennessee....and then they beat Georgia...so what does that make Georgia....what's below trash that got beat by "trash"? LOL

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