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All I know is any shred of hope of me believing is hanging off the edge right now...

Why is that?

EDIT: related to your latest FB post or something else? I assume it's something bad that has happened and not just the latest cool book you read or documentary you watched or whatever. Feel free to PM me if you'd rather not discuss publicly. I'm more concerned that you may have a life crisis that serious than that your faith is shaken -- my faith gets shaken too, but it's usually something pretty bad.

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Why is that?

EDIT: related to your latest FB post or something else? I assume it's something bad that has happened and not just the latest cool book you read or documentary you watched or whatever. Feel free to PM me if you'd rather not discuss publicly. I'm more concerned that you may have a life crisis that serious than that your faith is shaken -- my faith gets shaken too, but it's usually something pretty bad.

The job loss doesn't help but just a bunch of junk piled on top of other junk really. I'm just at a crossroads I guess and not sure which way I'm gonna go...

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The job loss doesn't help but just a bunch of junk piled on top of other junk really. I'm just at a crossroads I guess and not sure which way I'm gonna go...

For what it's worth, related to the topic of this thread, we don't view bad things happening to us as somehow disproving God's existence, but rather as evidence of sin and the fall working in the world. That doesn't mean I never doubt -- I doubt often. I suppose what I'm saying is the "prosperity gospel" that gets preached so much today, I think, engenders this type of reaction. If something bad happens, I must not be right with God (or, as you indicate, God must not exist). The problem with that from a faith perspective is it is inconsistent with a Christian worldview.

The problem with that from a metaphysical perspective is human suffering is literally irrelevant to the existence of God. Theoretically, God could exist and just want people to suffer, as one example. We (Christians) don't believe that to be so, but the point is, saying "my life is in ruins, ergo, God doesn't exist" is not really sound logically speaking. It is, however, completely understandable from a human perspective -- I've been there myself.

You will be in our prayers.

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For what it's worth, related to the topic of this thread, we don't view bad things happening to us as somehow disproving God's existence, but rather as evidence of sin and the fall working in the world. That doesn't mean I never doubt -- I doubt often. I suppose what I'm saying is the "prosperity gospel" that gets preached so much today, I think, engenders this type of reaction. If something bad happens, I must not be right with God (or, as you indicate, God must not exist). The problem with that from a faith perspective is it is inconsistent with a Christian worldview.

The problem with that from a metaphysical perspective is human suffering is literally irrelevant to the existence of God. Theoretically, God could exist and just want people to suffer, as one example. We (Christians) don't believe that to be so, but the point is, saying "my life is in ruins, ergo, God doesn't exist" is not really sound logically speaking. It is, however, completely understandable from a human perspective -- I've been there myself.

You will be in our prayers.

I guess it's just that a lot of my family has been praying for me for quite a while on this and it seems everywhere I turn there's another dead end. I don't know, just crazy for me.

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I guess it's just that a lot of my family has been praying for me for quite a while on this and it seems everywhere I turn there's another dead end. I don't know, just crazy for me.

I understand. I've absolutely been there. A few years back I was leaving one state without a job, moving to another without a job, and moving into my parents' basement until I found one. I totally get it.

I suppose the other thing I'd argue is this -- prayer isn't a magic pill. That's prosperity gospel: "just pray more and God will give you whatever you want," as if His plan for you is wealth and fitness and good looks and a hot wife. God's plan in the Christian understanding is to unite you to Him, and that way is the way of the cross. If you think about it from a truly Christian perspective, claiming that God doesn't want you to suffer ever is such an affront to every martyr in Christian history. Sometimes we are called to suffer. Often, we don't know why that is (I'd say the vast majority of the time we don't know). That's why this is one of my favorite memes ever:

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I'm not trying to argue you into believing, because I don't think that's possible. So please don't take me as preaching to you. I'm fully aware you don't need that right now and it won't help. What I am trying to accomplish is to just point out that while you see these trials and tribulations as something that should make your faith waver, from a truly Christian standpoint, that isn't true. From a prosperity gospel, Joel Osteen, Kenneth Copeland, Creflow Dollar standpoint, absolutely -- God must hate you pretty bad right now. But from an historical Christian standpoint, what you are going through is pretty mild by comparison. No one has yet tied you to a stake, wrapped you in oil soaked rags and lit you on fire to light the way to the Colosseum, where some of your brethren will be thrown to the lions. Or to take a modern example, no one has bombed your place of worship merely because of the faith you practice or don't practice. We -- Christians and skeptics alike -- have it pretty good in this country. If your sufferings now are proof that God doesn't exist (or if He does, He hates you), then how much more those suffering in Egypt or Syria or Tunisia or wherever right now? And how much more still those in the 1st 3 centuries?

At any rate, prayers will continue. If they are futile, they are at least my meager effort to help a friend. If there is more I can do, please don't hesitate to let me know.

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Don't wanta interfere with y'alls dialogue... but, JDave, what are your views on the Jeffersonian Bible, if you don't mind?

The first part of this article was interesting enough, but the second half less so..

Our least Christian president

And yes, I've been known to read USAToday AKA our nation's high school newspaper. tongue.png

I'll have to read the link later, but my take on the Jefferson Bible is that Thomas Jefferson is a rank heretic who excised the Gospel itself from the Scriptures. Which is why I get furious when Christians try to use him as "proof" that we are a "Christian nation."

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Serious question coming from a ignorant, non-religious person:

If I just live my life as a good human being, who contributes to society, is a caring and thoughtful person with morals and doesn't engage in illegal activity, am I still a bad, lost person in your God's mind, who won't be accepted into heaven because I didn't dedicate my life to a single entity?

If so, God's pretty self-centred.

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Serious question coming from a ignorant, non-religious person:

If I just live my life as a good human being, who contributes to society, is a caring and thoughtful person with morals and doesn't engage in illegal activity, am I still a bad, lost person in your God's mind, who won't be accepted into heaven because I didn't dedicate my life to a single entity?

No. Some Christians believe that (and I used to), but no.

Of course, "living your life as a good human being" isn't the whole of salvation, either. One is not saved because he lives his life as a good human being, nor is one damned because one does not. So it's a LOT more complex than that, but the simple answer is, we trust those outside the Church to the mercy of God, which is exceedingly abundant. The Christian Church does not teach that we as individuals have either the right or the ability to judge the salvation of another. I am to worry about my own salvation. If you ask me how to be saved, I point you to the Church. If you reject the Church, we're back to square one, where I (still) cannot judge your salvation.

If so, God's pretty self-centred.

Some ideas about God paint Him as pretty self-centered. I reject those ideas.

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No. Some Christians believe that (and I used to), but no.

Of course, "living your life as a good human being" isn't the whole of salvation, either. One is not saved because he lives his life as a good human being, nor is one damned because one does not. So it's a LOT more complex than that, but the simple answer is, we trust those outside the Church to the mercy of God, which is exceedingly abundant. The Christian Church does not teach that we as individuals have either the right or the ability to judge the salvation of another. I am to worry about my own salvation. If you ask me how to be saved, I point you to the Church. If you reject the Church, we're back to square one, where I (still) cannot judge your salvation.

I don't need to be "saved". Not as if God has ever "saved" anyone anyways. Ask my 4 grandparents who died before their time from genetic cancer issues that have now been passed on to me. Gotta love colonoscopies.

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I don't need to be "saved". Not as if God has ever "saved" anyone anyways. Ask my 4 grandparents who died before their time from genetic cancer issues that have now been passed on to me. Gotta love colonoscopies.

Well, you've gone from asking a question to making a statement. I'm not sure what to make of your statement other than to say it is neither here nor there with regards to the existence of God. Suffering is part of this world. If your position is that the existence of suffering disproves the existence of God, all I can say is that has been debunked by far greater philosophers than I, and I'll refer you to their work. Alvin Plantinga would be a good start, though his version is not my favorite (I prefer the simpler approach that, from a theological perspective, God is a free agent and He therefore chose to give us freedom in order that we might have the capacity to become by grace what He is by nature, but that requires a fair bit more theological digging than most people arguing this position are inclined to tolerate).

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Huh , never ventured into this forum. This is pretty heavy stuff for a NFL team site. I will bite though. I was raised Catholic. I am no longer practicing. I don't even consider myself believing in the Christian God / Jesus anymore. I do believe in a higher power. It is just not the one most do. I believe in Evolution and the Big Bang. I also believe that something had to exist before said Big Bang. Whether that something be a omnipotent being or what ever. I think something had to start the universe in motion.

The one thing I hate about a lot the Christian denominations is their ability to twist the bible whichever way they like. I cannot stand hearing from people that everyone is going to **** if they don't follow this particular sects dogma. To me that is the most arrogant nonsense ever. I have read the bible several times in my life. I think its a great book. It is a great book just like any other. There are a lot of great life lessons in it. There are many metaphors and anecdotes that describe overall a good moral way to live. It is not a book worth condemning anyone or going to war over. I strongly feel that organized religion is one of the main causes of human dysfunction in the world today. If everyone could just get over themselves and let others be what they want we would all be okay.

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Interesting blog post:

http://edwardfeser.b...om-atheism.html

Money quote:

"As I would come to realize only years later, the conception of God I then found so implausible was essentially a modern, parochial, and overly anthropomorphic “theistic personalist” conception, and not the classical theism to which the greatest theistic philosophers had always been committed. And as my longtime readers know, I still find theistic personalism objectionable. The fideism that I found (and still find) so appalling was, as I would also come to see only later, no part of the mainstream classical theist tradition either. And while the stock objections raised by atheists against the traditional arguments for God’s existence are often aimed at caricatures, some of them do have at least some force against some of the arguments of modern philosophers of religion. But they do not have force against the key arguments of the classical theist tradition."

An interesting side note, I disagree with the author on some pretty key particulars, but probably not what anyone expects.

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Here is a fantastic blog post on an issue I've raised in this thread previously -- the problem of atheists and agnostics reading the Bible as a fundamentalist would:

http://orthodoxyandh...iptura-atheism/

that article is flawed, if you are a christian either you believe in everything in the bible or you cherry pick, which the author denies--- and it doesn't talk about the true historical facts that proves the bible is a work of fiction.

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that article is flawed, if you are a christian either you believe in everything in the bible or you cherry pick, which the author denies--- and it doesn't talk about the true historical facts that proves the bible is a work of fiction.

Please tell me your discourse and ability to apply logic is going to be better in this thread than the other one.

I'm not a Creationist. So your video is arguing to someone other than me. And the blog post is spot on -- you want to force me to accept your hermeneutic, which is (based on your words) the same as a fundamentalist. I reject your hermeneutic, which makes the rest of your argument pretty much void.

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I have this to say. I'm proud to be a Christian and to serve the Lord. Reading His Word gives me a lot of encouragement and strength to make it through.

No matter what science cannot prove or disprove God's Word because God is the Creator. He is the alpha and omega, the beginning and the end. No rhetoric or repitition can change that no matter who says it or how many pretty words are used.

It does not matter that man doesn't believe in Him. It does not matter that people formulate high educated appeals against Him. It doesn't change the overall truth. That truth is John 1st chapter. To try and place Him and the Bible as myth and an anachronism is not only a mistake, but its blasphemy. The thing here that makes things so great is that grace is still upon us all and by changing our ways and moving back to God we still have an opportunity.

What do I have to gain? More members to my church? I know a small few of you and the one's I know don't know where I worship. This isn't about me, or about an opinion of the Bible. Its about true freedom in the Word of God.

I keep hearing all kinds of things, but this is all a product of the New Age movement started in the garden in Genesis. All of these things can be found accurately in the Bible. Its time to get real about one's soul. Change paradigms from the religion taught as a universal pagan religion of "Man is god" and back into the arms of God.

Evolutionism is in all ways of thinking just another path to "man is god". But from there I ask the question, "where does morality come from, if we are all from animals?" It was through this thinking that Hitler himself felt that he had the right to kill who he wanted at anytime (Mein Kampf). Man is just an animal and the greater race can wipe the useless gene pool out. THAT's what evolution provides. Cynical thinking and lack of morals.

If you think the Bible is false show me. Prove it. The burden now has been placed on the ones who think so. You can try to find errancy, but let me ask you this. How can a man who rarely reads the Bible, tell a man who reads it often what the Bible says and means? Not only that, but a man who teaches the Bible using academic AND Spiritual hermeneutics. That's the equivalent to thinking a layman could know more than a doctor.

Think about it with an honest mind.

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If anybody calls the Bible fiction, then it is clear that

they have not read it or studied it enough to give their

statement merit or foundation.

The Bible actually has a passage in it that proves its truth.

I will not tell you where this passage is, you will have to find it for yourself.

Faith is the only clue that I will give.

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God has always proved Himself thousands of times and people still will not believe.

The ff. are the predictions or Scientific Facts & Foreknowledge found in the Bible.

-Long time ago when technology has not yet existed people thought that the earth was flat, shapeless or ever expanding. But in (Job 26:7) it says, "He hang

s the earth on nothing." and in (isaiah 40:42) ''circle of the earth''. Only recently when the technology has advanced, the scientists discovered that the earth free-floats in space, affected only by gravity. While other sources declared the earth sat on the back of an elephant or turtle, or was held up by Atlas, the Bible alone states what we now know to be true .

-There are mountains on the bottom of the ocean floor (Jonah 2:5-6). Only in the last century have we discovered that there are towering mountains and deep trenches in the depths of the sea.

-Incalculable number of stars (Jeremiah 33:22). At a time when less than 5,000 stars were visible to the human eye, God stated that the stars of heaven were innumerable. Not until the 17th century did Galileo glimpse the immensity of our universe with his new telescope. Today, astronomers estimate that there are ten thousand billion trillion stars - that's a 1 followed by 25 zeros! Yet, as the Bible states, scientists admit this number may be woefully inadequate.

-The number of stars, though vast, are finite (Isaiah 40:26). Although man is unable to calculate the exact number of stars, we now know their number is finite. Of course God knew this all along - "He counts the number of the stars; He calls them all by name" (Psalm 147:4). What an awesome God!

-The Bible compares the number of stars with the number of grains of sand on the seashore (Genesis 22:17; Hebrews 11:12). Amazingly, gross estimates of the number of sand grains are comparable to the estimated number of stars in the universe.

-God has created all mankind from one blood (Acts 17:26; Genesis 5). Today researchers have discovered that we have all descended from one gene pool. For example, a 1995 study of a section of Y chromosomes from 38 men from different ethnic groups around the world was consistent with the biblical teaching that we all come from one man (Adam)

-Origin of the major language groups explained (Genesis 11). After the rebellion at Babel, God scattered the people by confounding the one language into many languages. Evolution teaches that we all evolved from a common ancestor, yet offers no mechanism to explain the origin of the thousands of diverse languages in existence today.

-Origin of the different "races" explained (Genesis 11). As Noah's descendants migrated around the world after Babel, each language group developed distinct features based on environment and genetic variation. Those with a genetic makeup suitable to their new environment survived to reproduce. Over time, certain traits (such as dark skin color for those closer to the equator) dominated. Genesis alone offers a reasonable answer to the origin of the races and languages.

-Laughter promotes physical healing (Proverbs 17:22). Recent studies confirm what King Solomon was inspired to write 3,000 years ago, "A merry heart does good, like medicine." For instance, laughter reduces levels of certain stress hormones. This brings balance to the immune system, which helps your body fight off disease.

-Intense sorrow or stress is harmful to your health (Proverbs 18:14; Mark 14:34). Researchers have studied individuals with no prior medical problems who showed symptoms of stress cardiomyopathy including chest pain, difficulty breathing, low blood pressure, and even heart failure - following a stressful incident.

-God has given us the leaves of the trees as medicine (Ezekiel 47:12; Revelation 22:2). Ancient cultures utilized many herbal remedies. Today, modern medicine has rediscovered what the Bible has said all along - there are healing compounds found in plants.

-Healthy dietary laws (Leviticus 11:9-12). Scripture states that we should avoid those sea creatures which do not have fins or scales. We now know that bottom-feeders (those with no scales or fins) tend to consume waste and are likely to carry disease.

-Olive oil and wine useful on wounds (Luke 10:34). Jesus told of a Samaritan man, who when he came upon a wounded traveler, he bandaged him - pouring upon his wounds olive oil and wine. Today we know that wine contains ethyl alcohol and traces of methyl alcohol. Both are good disinfectants. Olive oil is also a good disinfectant, as well as a skin moisturizer, protector, and soothing lotion. This is common knowledge to us today. However, did you know that during the Middle Ages and right up till the early 20th century, millions died because they did not know to treat and protect open wounds?

-The fact that God once flooded the earth (the Noahic Flood) would be denied (2 Peter 3:5-6). There is a mass of fossil evidence to prove this fact, yet it is flatly ignored by most of the scientific world because it was God's judgment on man's wickedness.

-Vast fossil deposits anticipated (Genesis 7). When plants and animals die they decompose rapidly. Yet billions of life forms around the globe have been preserved as fossils. Geologists now know that fossils only form if there is rapid deposition of life buried away from scavengers and bacteria. This agrees exactly with what the Bible says occurred during the global Flood.

-The continents were created as one large land mass (Genesis 1:9-10). Many geologists agree there is strong evidence that the earth was originally one super continent - just as the Bible said way back in Genesis.

-Continental drift inferred (Genesis 7:11). Today the study of the ocean floor indicates that the landmasses have been ripped apart. Scripture states that during the global Flood the "fountains of the great deep were broken up." This cataclysmic event apparently resulted in the continental plates breaking and shifting.

-Medical quarantine instituted (Leviticus 13:45-46; Numbers 5:1-4). Long before man understood the principles of quarantine, God commanded the Israelites to isolate those with a contagious disease until cured.

-Each star is unique (1 Corinthians 15:41). Centuries before the advent of the telescope, the Bible declared what only God and the angels knew - each star varies in size and intensity!

-Ice Age inferred (Job 38:29-30). Prior to the global Flood the earth was apparently subtropical. However shortly after the Flood, the Bible mentions ice often

-"By the breath of God ice is given, and the broad waters are frozen" (Job 37:10). Evidently the Ice Age occurred in the centuries following the Flood.

-Life begins at fertilization (Jeremiah 1:5). God declares that He knew us before we were born. The biblical penalty for murdering an unborn child was death (Exodus 21:22-23). Today, it is an irrefutable biological fact that the fertilized egg is truly an entire human being. Nothing will be added to the first cell except nutrition and oxygen.

-God fashions and knits us together in the womb (Job 10:8-12; 31:15). Science was ignorant concerning embryonic development until recently. Yet many centuries ago, the Bible accurately described God making us an "intricate unity" in the womb.

-DNA anticipated (Psalm 139:13-16). During the 1950s, Watson and Crick discovered the genetic blueprint for life. Three thousand years ago the Bible seems to reference this written digital code in Psalm 139 - "Thine eyes did see my substance, yet being unperfect [unformed]; and in Thy book all my members were written, which in continuance were fashioned, when as yet there was none of them."

-Incest laws established (Leviticus 18:6). To marry near of kin in the ancient world was common. Yet, beginning about 1500 B.C., God forbid this practice. The reason is simple - the genetic mutations (resulting from the curse) had a cumulative effect. Though Cain could safely marry his sister because the genetic pool was still relatively pure at that time, by Moses' day the genetic errors had swelled. Today, geneticists confirm that the risk of passing on a genetic abnormality to your child is much greater if you marry a close relative because relatives are more likely to carry the same defective gene. If they procreate, their offspring are more apt to have this defect expressed.

- Circumcision on the eighth day is ideal (Genesis 17:12; Leviticus 12:3; Luke 1:59). Medical science has discovered that the blood clotting chemical prothrombin peaks in a newborn on the eighth day. This is therefore the safest day to circumcise a baby. How did Moses know?!

-God has given us just the right amount of water to sustain life (Isaiah 40:12). We now recognize that if there was significantly more or less water, the earth would not support life as we know it.

-The earth was designed for biological life (Isaiah 45:18). Scientists have discovered that the most fundamental characteristics of our earth and cosmos are so finely tuned that if just one of them were even slightly different, life as we know it couldn't exist. This is called the Anthropic Principle and it agrees with the Bible which states that God formed the earth to be inhabited.

-The universe is expanding (Job 9:8; Isaiah 42:5; Jeremiah 51:15; Zechariah 12:1). Repeatedly God declares that He stretches out the heavens. During the early 20th century, most scientists (including Einstein) believed the universe was static. Others believed it should have collapsed due to gravity. Then in 1929, astronomer Edwin Hubble showed that distant galaxies were receding from the earth, and the further away they were, the faster they were moving. This discovery revolutionized the field of astronomy. Eisntein admitted his mistake, and today most astronomers agree with what the Creator told us millennia ago - the universe is expanding!

-Law of Biogenesis explained (Genesis 1). Scientists observe that life only comes from existing life. This law has never been violated under observation or experimentation (as evolution imagines). Therefore life, God's life, created all life.

- Light travels in a path (Job 38:19). Light is said to have a "way" [Hebrew: derek, literally a traveled path or road]. Until the 17th century it was believed that light was transmitted instantaneously. We now know that light is a form of energy that travels at ~186,000 miles per second in a straight line. Indeed, there is a "way" of light.

-Air has weight (Job 28:25). It was once thought that air was weightless. Yet 4,000 years ago Job declared that God established "a weight for the wind." In recent years, meteorologists have calculated that the average thunderstorm holds thousands of tons of rain. To carry this load, air must have mass.

-Jet PIRATED VIDEO IS ILLEGAL anticipated (Ecclesiates 1:6). At a time when it was thought that winds blew straight, the Bible declares "The wind goes toward the south, and turns around to the north; The wind whirls about continually, and comes again on its circuit." King Solomon wrote this 3,000 years ago. Now consider this: it was not until World War II that airmen discovered the jet PIRATED VIDEO IS ILLEGAL circuit.

-Creation is made of particles, indiscernible to our eyes (Hebrews 11:3). Not until the 19th century was it discovered that all visible matter consists of invisible elements.

-Soil conservation (Leviticus 23:22). Not only was the land to lay fallow every seventh year, but God also instructed farmers to leave the gleanings when reaping their fields, and not to reap the corners (sides) of their fields. This served several purposes: 1) Vital soil minerals would be maintained. 2) The hedge row would limit wind erosion. 3) The poor could eat the gleanings. Today, approximately four billion metric tons of soil are lost from U.S. crop lands each year. Much of this soil depletion could be avoided if God's commands were followed.

-The Bible specifies the perfect dimensions for a stable water vessel (Genesis 6:15). Ship builders today are well aware that the ideal dimension for ship stability is a length six times that of the width. Keep in mind, God told Noah the ideal dimensions for the ark 4,500 years ago.

-When dealing with disease, clothes and body should be washed under running water (Leviticus 15:13). For centuries people naively washed in standing water. Today we recognize the need to wash away germs with fresh water.

-Sanitation industry birthed (Deuteronomy 23:12-13). Some 3,500 years ago God commanded His people to have a place outside the camp where they could relieve themselves. They were to each carry a shovel so that they could dig a hole (latrine) and cover their waste. Up until World War I, more soldiers died from disease than war because they did not isolate human waste.

-Oceans contain springs (Job 38:16). The ocean is very deep. Almost all the ocean floor is in total darkness and the pressure there is enormous. It would have been impossible for Job to have explored the "springs of the sea." Until recently, it was thought that oceans were fed only by rivers and rain. Yet in the 1970s, with the help of deep diving research submarines that were constructed to withstand 6,000 pounds-per-square-inch pressure, oceanographers discovered springs on the ocean floors!

-Joy and gladness understood (Acts 14:17). Evolution cannot explain emotions. Matter and energy do not feel. Scripture explains that God places gladness in our hearts (Psalm 4:7), and ultimate joy is found only in our Creator's presence - "in Your presence is fullness of joy" (Psalm 16:11).

-Blood is the source of life and health (Leviticus 17:11; 14). Up until 120 years ago, sick people were "bled" and many died as a result (e.g. George Washington). Today we know that healthy blood is necessary to bring life-giving nutrients to every cell in the body. God declared that "the life of the flesh is in the blood" long before science understood its function.

-The Bible states that God created life according to kinds (Genesis 1:24). The fact that God distinguishes kinds, agrees with what scientists observe - namely that there are horizontal genetic boundaries beyond which life cannot vary. Life produces after its own kind. Dogs produce dogs, cats produce cats, roses produce roses. Never have we witnessed one kind changing into another kind as evolution supposes. There are truly natural limits to biological change.

-Noble behavior understood (John 15:13; Romans 5:7-8). The Bible and history reveal that countless people have endangered or even sacrificed their lives for another. This reality is completely at odds with Darwin's theory of the survival of the fittest.

-Chicken or egg dilemma solved (Genesis 1:20-22). Which came first, the chicken or the egg? This question has plagued philosophers for centuries. The Bible states that God created birds with the ability to reproduce after their kind. Therefore the chicken was created first with the ability to make eggs! Yet, evolution has no solution for this dilemma.

-Our bodies are made from the dust of the ground (Genesis 2:7; 3:19). Scientists have discovered that the human body is comprised of some 28 base and trace elements - all of which are found in the earth.

-The First Law of Thermodynamics established (Genesis 2:1-2). The First Law states that the total quantity of energy and matter in the universe is a constant. One form of energy or matter may be converted into another, but the total quantity always remains the same. Therefore the creation is finished, exactly as God said way back in Genesis.

-The first three verses of Genesis accurately express all known aspects of the creation (Genesis 1:1-3). Science expresses the universe in terms of: time, space, matter, and energy. In Genesis chapter one we read: "In the beginning (time) God created the heavens (space) and the earth (matter)...Then God said, "Let there be light (energy)." No other creation account agrees with the observable evidence.

-The universe had a beginning (Genesis 1:1; Hebrews 1:10-12). Starting with the studies of Albert Einstein in the early 1900s and continuing today, science has confirmed the biblical view that the universe had a beginning. When the Bible was written most people believed the universe was eternal. Science has proven them wrong, but the Bible correct.

-Scripture assumes a revolving (spherical) earth (Luke 17:34-36). Jesus said that at His return some would be asleep at night while others would be working at day time activities in the field. This is a clear indication of a revolving earth, with day and night occurring simultaneously.

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-Origin of the rainbow explained (Genesis 9:13-16). Prior to the Flood there was a different environment on the earth (Genesis 2:5-6). After the Flood, God set His rainbow "in the cloud" as a sign that He would never again judge the earth by water. Meteorologists now understand that a rainbow is formed when the sun shines through water droplets - which act as a prism - separating white light into its color spectrum.

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Science is objective and impartial. Belief is subjective and personal. You can't use one to justify the other, or you run the risk of sounding like you understand neither. In my experience, those who find religious justification in science barely (at best) understand anything of actual science. However, the same is probably true of most people anyway.

As long as you aren't designing a better rocket or finding a cure for cancer, it really matters little if you believe in God, Bigfoot, or nothing.

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