nosweatboyz Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 (edited) How about the one in Dallas where Mike Jenkins #21 pushed Michael Jenkins #12 down to the ground about 8 yards out - then turned and made the interception.Instead of a pass interference and first down - we ended up with an interception. That one bothers me more than any of them.me too...Am I wrong, or has that not happened a few times this year and last? ( receivers falling down or not defending an inaccurate pass or going up for the ball more aggressively) That was what frustrated me the most. We were manhandled by Dallas. I hate when a team manhandles the Falcons. It looked like men against boys out there. Edited October 28, 2009 by nosweatboyz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rai Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 (edited) He definitely has improved but one of his criticism this year is his average per completion/attempt. In his first year, his average yards per attempt through the first 6 games were 7.2.In his 2nd year, his average yards per attempt through the first 6 games were 7.1.In his first year, his average yards per completion through his first 6 games were 12.5.In his 2nd year, his average yards per completion through the first 6 games were 11.3.Not a whole lot of difference but we can certainly tell that Ryan doesn't throw deep as much as he used to. Infact, if you take away that 90 yard catch by White, his average yard per completion for this season would be 10.7. Edited October 28, 2009 by Rai Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slamee101 Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 me too...Am I wrong, or has that not happened a few times this year and last? ( receivers falling down or not defending an inaccurate pass or going up for the ball more aggressively) That was what frustrated me the most. We were manhandled by Dallas. I hate when a team manhandles the Falcons. It looked like men against boys out there.That's what bothered me most about the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerosmith67 Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Ryan is clearly improved not only statistically but also in his decision making. Even great QB's have bad games so I'm willing to throw out the Dallas game and the playoff game last year. The great thing is, is he hasn't reached his full potential yet and it will be exciting as a fan to continue to see his development as a player. I also believe that White/Jenkins haven't reached their full potential and they'll be a force to play against in 1-2 more seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tandy Posted October 28, 2009 Author Share Posted October 28, 2009 me too...Am I wrong, or has that not happened a few times this year and last? ( receivers falling down or not defending an inaccurate pass or going up for the ball more aggressively) That was what frustrated me the most. We were manhandled by Dallas. I hate when a team manhandles the Falcons. It looked like men against boys out there.Yeah, it bothered me too. Let's face it - Dallas wanted it more and spent the bye week preparing for us. This was a milestone game for them and they brought everything they had.On the other hand, we did not play our best game- folded under pressure and were generally playing soft through the game.The results were inevitable given those 2 factors alone. I'm still frustrated that they would schedule us to face 4 really tough teams coming off the bye. It's like they deliberately set us up to fail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosweatboyz Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 I can only blame Ryan for two picks this season... The one against Carolina where he forced the ball into double coverage and the first against the Bears were it was just an errant throw and maybe a bad read because Roddy was open on an 'out route' underneath. The rest read like this: 49ers; PI from the referee on Roddy. Bears 2nd; Tip drill on a good ball to Jenkins who seems to be in a bit of a funk the last few games I might add. Cowboys 1st; good anticipation and read by Ryan under pressure and delivered the ball to where Jenkins would have been if not for him 'falling over' and lastly the Cowboys 2nd; was trying to make a play with the game out of reach. Feel better now that's off my chest! lolTrue, but there were a couple times when it should have been intercepted and the Dallas player didn't make the play, where I thought "He was lucky that wasn't another interception" I think any honest observer will say Ryan is improving but is still a work in progress and needs improvement in decision making and ball protection. Even Matt Ryan admits this all the time. People shouldn't get overly sensitive to critiques, so long as they are honest. We all know that some critics have agendas against him and look for times he has a bad game to drive their agendas though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerosmith67 Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 He definitely has improved but one of his criticism this year is his average per completion/attempt. In his first year, his average yards per attempt through the first 6 games were 7.2.In his 2nd year, his average yards per attempt through the first 6 games were 7.1.In his first year, his average yards per completion through his first 6 games were 12.5.In his 2nd year, his average yards per completion through the first 6 games were 11.3.Not a whole lot of difference but we can certainly tell that Ryan doesn't throw deep as much as he used to. Infact, if you take away that 90 yard catch by White, his average yard per completion for this season would be 10.7.You take what defenses give you, nobody stops to think that maybe teams saw what a deep threat that White and Jenkins were last year and they're forcing Ryan to make shorter throws. You also have to consider that the Falcons control the ball much better this year in general than they did last year, the first drive against Dallas was over 8 game minutes, that is needed when you have a young defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slamee101 Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Cause he's soft. :mellow: I agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tandy Posted October 28, 2009 Author Share Posted October 28, 2009 True, but there were a couple times when it should have been intercepted and the Dallas player didn't make the play, where I thought "He was lucky that wasn't another interception" I think any honest observer will say Ryan is improving but is still a work in progress and needs improvement in decision making and ball protection. Even Matt Ryan admits this all the time. People shouldn't get overly sensitive to critiques, so long as they are honest. We all know that some critics have agendas against him and look for times he has a bad game to drive their agendas though.Work in progress is an understatement. Ryan is so far ahead of other QB's coming into their second year that we tend to forget that this is his second year.I keep trying to remind everyone. What he is doing for us - considering his age and time in the league - is beyond good - it goes to phenominal. The downside of this is everyone is trying to judge him as a veteran instead of a second year QB.In five years - when he reaches maturity at the game - it is scary what he could become. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigSmackDaddy Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 I'm still fired up about that. That was one of the worst 'non' calls I have seen this year. It was so obvious she was shoved. And the one with the dirty hit on Booker, of course, no call on that either.You and me both... I think we talked about that earlier this week. Nice post Tandy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerosmith67 Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Yeah, it bothered me too. Let's face it - Dallas wanted it more and spent the bye week preparing for us. This was a milestone game for them and they brought everything they had.On the other hand, we did not play our best game- folded under pressure and were generally playing soft through the game.The results were inevitable given those 2 factors alone. I'm still frustrated that they would schedule us to face 4 really tough teams coming off the bye. It's like they deliberately set us up to fail.I don't buy the "they wanted it more" excuse, I'll give anyone the Bye week reasoning, that does add a significant advantage. But the "they wanted it more" just doesn't fly when you're talking about teams with winning records, early in the season, if it were a 1-14 team facing a 14-1 team I'd buy that the 1-14 team would be desperate for a win while the 14-1 team is just cruising to the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bossFALCON™ Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 i don't see how anyone can say ryan regressed or isn't playing as well as last year.this year he's winning and putting up better numbers with no run game against better teams. think about where our team would be without ryan this year with an average qb out there.the line isn't playing as well (even before the dallas game they were still allowing more pressure) and he's having to deal with less 8 in the box (means more defenders in the pass game). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Great info Tandy. Numbers don't lie.Yeah right. There is a reason for the saying "there are 3 kinds of lies - lies, **** lies, and statistics". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slamee101 Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 I don't buy the "they wanted it more" excuse, I'll give anyone the Bye week reasoning, that does add a significant advantage. But the "they wanted it more" just doesn't fly when you're talking about teams with winning records, early in the season, if it were a 1-14 team facing a 14-1 team I'd buy that the 1-14 team would be desperate for a win while the 14-1 team is just cruising to the playoffs.I understand what you're saying...but Dallas treated this game as a "must-win" game. They talked about it being so all week. I'm not saying we didn't want to win, but I don't know that we had the sense of urgency they did. Certainly didn't come off that way watching b/c as much as it might seem like I'm being a hater...I'm still not convinced the Cowboys are all that good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bossFALCON™ Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Work in progress is an understatement. Ryan is so far ahead of other QB's coming into their second year that we tend to forget that this is his second year.I keep trying to remind everyone. What he is doing for us - considering his age and time in the league - is beyond good - it goes to phenominal. The downside of this is everyone is trying to judge him as a veteran instead of a second year QB.In five years - when he reaches maturity at the game - it is scary what he could become.this is what i tell myself whenever he struggles. he's **** good...so good in fact i think we all forget he's a 2nd year qb AND HE'S BARELY IN HIS 2ND YEAR! he's still going to have mistakes and struggles. look at big ben, eli and phillip rivers. they all came into the league in 04 and look at how much they've progressed from then to now. they all went from caretakers to "the man" on their team. it's going to be amazing to see what ryan is like in 5 years because as of this year i consider him "the man" on our team. this isn't turner's team and ryan is no caretaker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phattywankenobi Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 I don't think it is so much the loss as the way we lost. To look so good in the SF game the week before...then to lay an egg in Dallas :wacko:I realize reactions may vary but as a general rule in the 7 years I have been on here the day after a loss regardless of the performance this place goes into meltdown. It's like a child who had his toy taken away from him. It's more about venting, guess Oprah wasn't available, and exaggerations than it is about being rational and newsworthy. I can think further back to the local radio stations and the AJC who were praising the team (assuming a good performance previously) but will be trashing them on Monday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tandy Posted October 28, 2009 Author Share Posted October 28, 2009 He definitely has improved but one of his criticism this year is his average per completion/attempt. In his first year, his average yards per attempt through the first 6 games were 7.2.In his 2nd year, his average yards per attempt through the first 6 games were 7.1.In his first year, his average yards per completion through his first 6 games were 12.5.In his 2nd year, his average yards per completion through the first 6 games were 11.3.Not a whole lot of difference but we can certainly tell that Ryan doesn't throw deep as much as he used to. Infact, if you take away that 90 yard catch by White, his average yard per completion for this season would be 10.7.If you take away that 70 yard catch last year, his average yard per completion for the first six games would be 11.8 Why would you take it away? It was completed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 The problem is not the first 6 games of this year as compared to last year, the problem is that the offense isn't getting better this year. As a matter of fact, the last two games it's looked progressively worse. Ryan included. It's two straight games where the Falcons could not run or pass effectively, and Ryan has thrown multiple interceptions in back to back games for the first time in his career. There is no excuse for this team to be held under 200 yards passing 3 times in 4 games with the talent on this team.The one positive, and big positive going for this offense, is that it is lethal in the redzone. That's great. Now we just need to get their a little more often.Mike Mularkey, get to work. I know that you have some deep routes and screen passes in your library there somewhere, dust them off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tandy Posted October 28, 2009 Author Share Posted October 28, 2009 The problem is not the first 6 games of this year as compared to last year, the problem is that the offense isn't getting better this year. As a matter of fact, the last two games it's looked progressively worse. Ryan included. It's two straight games where the Falcons could not run or pass effectively, and Ryan has thrown multiple interceptions in back to back games for the first time in his career. There is no excuse for this team to be held under 200 yards passing 3 times in 4 games with the talent on this team.The one positive, and big positive going for this offense, is that it is lethal in the redzone. That's great. Now we just need to get their a little more often.Mike Mularkey, get to work. I know that you have some deep routes and screen passes in your library there somewhere, dust them off.You make it sound like he's been playing 9 years. Play long enough in this league against good defenses - it's going to happen. This was the first time - not likely the last.No excuse - truth. Face it - the offense is still young playing together and the defenses we have faced have been above average.The last 2 games, we've played Chicago and Dallas. Surprised that the defense played us well? I'm as upset as anybody that we lost - but we can't lose touch with reality. I know we want to think in our minds that this team is mature - but it's not. I've said it before and I'll say it again. There will be weeks we look like Super Bowl winners and weeks we look like the local high school team.I know Smith says it a lot - but it truly is a process and you guys keep jumping ahead of the game because they've performed so well for such a young team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 (edited) You make it sound like he's been playing 9 years. Play long enough in this league against good defenses - it's going to happen. This was the first time - not likely the last.No excuse - truth. Face it - the offense is still young playing together and the defenses we have faced have been above average.The last 2 games, we've played Chicago and Dallas. Surprised that the defense played us well? I'm as upset as anybody that we lost - but we can't lose touch with reality. I know we want to think in our minds that this team is mature - but it's not.The game before they played us, the Bears gave up 350 yards passing to the Detroit Lions. The week after playing us, Carson Palmer completed 20-24 for 5 TDs and 0 INTs. Count me unimpressed with the Bears defense. Edited October 28, 2009 by Peyton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tandy Posted October 28, 2009 Author Share Posted October 28, 2009 The game before they played us, the Bears gave up 350 yards passing to the Detroit Lions. The week after playing us, Carson Palmer completed 20-24 for 5 TDs and 0 INTs. Count me unimpressed with the Bears defense.Counted. I don't agree - but counted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 Counted. I don't agree - but counted.You are impressed with the Bears defense? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tandy Posted October 28, 2009 Author Share Posted October 28, 2009 You are impressed with the Bears defense?I was at the game and saw how they played. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nosweatboyz Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 this is what i tell myself whenever he struggles. he's **** good...so good in fact i think we all forget he's a 2nd year qb AND HE'S BARELY IN HIS 2ND YEAR! he's still going to have mistakes and struggles. look at big ben, eli and phillip rivers. they all came into the league in 04 and look at how much they've progressed from then to now. they all went from caretakers to "the man" on their team. it's going to be amazing to see what ryan is like in 5 years because as of this year i consider him "the man" on our team. this isn't turner's team and ryan is no caretaker.Didn't he win the Super Bowl his first year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted October 28, 2009 Share Posted October 28, 2009 I was at the game and saw how they played.Fair enough. I thought the Falcons were going to have a dominant offense this year. That was my bad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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