pork Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 THE REASON WHY TURNER IS NOT PERFORMING THE SAME AS LAST YEAR IS BECAUSE THE OFFENSIV E LINE IS NOT OPENING LANES, THE OFFENSE IS TOO PREDICTABLE, THE DEFENSE IS FOCUSING ON TURNER, AND MATT RYAN IS NOT MAKING THEM PAY IN THE PASSING GAME. WHEN THE OFFENSE IS SO PREDICTABLE RUNNING OUT OF THE 22 SET AND THE DEFENSE IS GEARED TO STOP THE RUN AS ITS FIRST PRIORITY, WHO COULD BE SUCCESSFUL RUNNING IN THAT. THE ONLY TIME THEY PASS OUT OF THE SET IS THE SAME OLE PLAYACTION WITH THE WRS RUNNING DEEP OUTS. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME MATT RYAN DROPPED BACK IN THE 22 SET AND WAS CONSISTANTLY SUCCESSFUL AT MAKING PASSES DOWNFIELD. THE ONLY REASON WHY OTHER BACKS ARE SOMEWHAT SUCCESSFUL IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE ADVANTAGE OF HAVING A DEFENSE EXPECTING PLAYING AGAINST THE PASS WHICH MAKE BLOCKING ASSIGNMENTS EASIER TO GET TO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigSmackDaddy Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Say no to caps lock... I'm not even going to try reading that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
don00045 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 UNREADABLE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SuwaneeFalcFan1 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Snelling has looked great.But everyone should get off of Turner's back. He's slow enough without you on there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 I couldn't read all that either but, I agree it's way too early to sht can Turner. I watched a couple 2008 games yesterday and the only diferences I see is the lack of soft running defenses he's had to face so far this year. Even last year he was totally shut down 5 or 6 times when we faced good running defenses. The Oline has been fairly inconsistent in the run game in our last 23 games.Everybody knows that when Turner is behind Ryan we are likely going to run. That's not so obvious when Snelling or Norwood is back there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Masked Falcon Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 I couldn't read all that either but, I agree it's way too early to sht can Turner. I watched a couple 2008 games yesterday and the only diferences I see is the lack of soft running defenses he's had to face so far this year. Even last year he was totally shut down 5 or 6 times when we faced good running defenses. The Oline has been fairly inconsistent in the run game in our last 23 games.Everybody knows that when Turner is behind Ryan we are likely going to run. That's not so obvious when Snelling or Norwood is back there.I have noticed that as well. I might be in the minority with this opinion but I believe we really need to upgrade at right guard. Clabo would be more than a solid backup, but mainly him and to a lesser degree Harvey Dahl.....that part of our line hasn't been getting good push and has also been leaking more lately in terms of the pass rush...We all remember where the line broke down in that fumble recovery/touchdown for the Cardinals in the playoff game.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ConnFalcon Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 (edited) Don't you dare yell at me with your caps lock via Falcons message board!!! :ph34r: Edited October 27, 2009 by ConnFalcon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hatch Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Excuses, its the O-line... yet this O-line has helped Snelling out preformed Turner last week.Turner gained to much weight and it clearly shows it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LightningDawg58 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 (edited) Its not all on the o-line. Turner isnt hitting the hole hard enough, he is delaying too often looking for the cutback which sometimes never opens up. He is gettiing dragged down behind the line of scrimmage because he isnt going forward aggressively enough. When Snelling was in, he went full force toward the play side, he didnt waste time waiting to see if the backside would open up. There were a couple of times when there were holes that Turner could have went thru for at least a 4 yard gain b4 contact and he wouldnt even cross the LOS. You can clearly see his legs arent moving at full speed the majority of the time, he needs to re-gain his confidence staying with the primary direction of the run. Edited October 27, 2009 by LightningDawg58 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest The Masked Falcon Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Excuses, its the O-line... yet this O-line has helped Snelling out preformed Turner last week.Turner gained to much weight and it clearly shows it.There's no reason both can't be true.When one entire part of your offense isn't working it's pretty rare that the whole problem can be attributed to one player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lostnmexico Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 I have defended Turner to this point but I have finally come to grips with the fact that he is either:1. Not seeing the defense properly and tends to hesitate behind this line or2. Is a step slow and not attacking the defense as he has in the past.We need him to perform and if he cannot, Snelling merits a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Excuses, its the O-line... yet this O-line has helped Snelling out preformed Turner last week.Turner gained to much weight and it clearly shows it.OK this Turner is overweight and slow this year is some absolute BS. Answer me this:Did he lose weight for the SF and CAR games this year? How do you explain him rushing for 100 yards in those games?Better still did he gain weight last year in games against TB, CAR, CHI, PHI, DEN, NO, MIN and ARI when he was shut down?Look, I like am a Snelling and Norwood fan, but this delusion that they are so much better will quickly go away if they were lining up for most of the snaps in running situations with 8 or 9 in the box. Trust me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2cent Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 THE REASON WHY TURNER IS NOT PERFORMING THE SAME AS LAST YEAR IS BECAUSE THE OFFENSIV E LINE IS NOT OPENING LANES, THE OFFENSE IS TOO PREDICTABLE, THE DEFENSE IS FOCUSING ON TURNER, AND MATT RYAN IS NOT MAKING THEM PAY IN THE PASSING GAME. WHEN THE OFFENSE IS SO PREDICTABLE RUNNING OUT OF THE 22 SET AND THE DEFENSE IS GEARED TO STOP THE RUN AS ITS FIRST PRIORITY, WHO COULD BE SUCCESSFUL RUNNING IN THAT. THE ONLY TIME THEY PASS OUT OF THE SET IS THE SAME OLE PLAYACTION WITH THE WRS RUNNING DEEP OUTS. WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME MATT RYAN DROPPED BACK IN THE 22 SET AND WAS CONSISTANTLY SUCCESSFUL AT MAKING PASSES DOWNFIELD. THE ONLY REASON WHY OTHER BACKS ARE SOMEWHAT SUCCESSFUL IS BECAUSE THEY HAVE THE ADVANTAGE OF HAVING A DEFENSE EXPECTING PLAYING AGAINST THE PASS WHICH MAKE BLOCKING ASSIGNMENTS EASIER TO GET TO.Tuner is not the one who should be in there. Explain the fumbles? And please don’t talk about lanes because I seen him have a outside run and was so slow he couldn’t even get the edge and got laid out in the backfield. Guys aren’t afraid of getting trucked over. They play defense they like hitting anyway. The thing that was dangerous about him is he had both power and speed. He really seems slower this year. He’s good at banging it into the enzone but I think we should really let Norwood turn on the speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bring It Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Maybe the reason Turner can't run this year is.............he's got all these people on his back.Heavy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atlshocker Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Tell turner to hit the freaking hole like norwood and snelling and ill get off his back Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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DUB Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 tj duckett jr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtybyrdGA Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Does Ovie not being in there play a part of him struggling? Benson ripped the Bears while Turner mangaged to get 30 yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 I hadn't noticed there was anybody on Turner's back but that does explain his slowness in getting through the holes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcons4life Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Turner the Burner has turned into Turner the Twinkie....as in he ate to many.As soon as ANYONE else is plugged in at RB we see positive gains.Twinkie boy goes back in and we move backwards.Mularky's "one step up, two steps back" running game has to be fixed.Starting Snelling may be the quick fix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pork Posted October 27, 2009 Author Share Posted October 27, 2009 Turner the Burner has turned into Turner the Twinkie....as in he ate to many.As soon as ANYONE else is plugged in at RB we see positive gains.Twinkie boy goes back in and we move backwards.Mularky's "one step up, two steps back" running game has to be fixed.Starting Snelling may be the quick fix.I just watched the entire game over and turner constantly faced 8 or 9 in the box except on two of his carries while the others like sneilling seen 7 with the exception of one carry. People cant be serious about comparing the two Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcons4life Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 I just watched the entire game over and turner constantly faced 8 or 9 in the box except on two of his carries while the others like sneilling seen 7 with the exception of one carry. People cant be serious about comparing the twoGo back and watch all 6 games.This isnt a problem that has been limited to last weeks game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scantless Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 (edited) Snelling has looked great.But everyone should get off of Turner's back. He's slow enough without you on there.That's kinda what I was thinkin'! How has Snelling looked so good if it's everyone's fault but Turners? I'm truly concerned. Is there something wrong with him we don't know about. Please tell me he hasn't lost his love of the game. Edited October 27, 2009 by Scantless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pork Posted October 27, 2009 Author Share Posted October 27, 2009 Trust me, I have watched every game this year and me and my friends make it a game inside the game to point out how many times turner sees 8 in the box as compared to our other backs, i have every game of turners recorded from the past two years and the percentage of him seeing 8 in the box in compared to 7 is near 6:1, just look to see for yourself if dont believe me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falcons4life Posted October 27, 2009 Share Posted October 27, 2009 Trust me, I have watched every game this year and me and my friends make it a game inside the game to point out how many times turner sees 8 in the box as compared to our other backs, i have every game of turners recorded from the past two years and the percentage of him seeing 8 in the box in compared to 7 is near 6:1, just look to see for yourself if dont believe me.The reason you see 8 in the box is because he is so slow to the hole, the LB's and safeties run up and into the box.Probably 11 in the box once he gets the ball. :P There is no way that this is the same guy we saw last year.Start Snelling one game, lets see if it makes a difference.He cant do any worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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