Falcon Freddie Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Top 5 in passer rating in 2006 and 2007Top 5 in passing yards per game in 2006, 2007, and 2008.Top 5 yards per attempt in 2006 and 2007. (6th in 2008)Top 5 yards per completion in 2006, 2007, 2008, and 2009 (so far).Top 5 in passing TDs per game in 2006, 2007, and 2008.Top 5 in passing TD percentage in 2006, 2007, and 2008.Number 1 in TD percentage among all active QBs.Number 2 in passer rating among all active QBs (behind only Manning).Number 3 in passer rating among all quarterbacks who ever played (behind Steve Young and Peyton Manning)These numbers would make anybody a star, regardless of the uniform they were wearing.Those numbers may show that even an essentially journeyman quarterback may shine when he's protected by a good line and throws to good receivers. People tend to forget that football is a team sport - probably the ultimate team sport.And people are going to have an extremely hard time convincing me that playing on a high visibility team like the Cowboys don't fire up the hype machine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncja Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Well that's kind of rediculous. Do we say well, Joe Montana and Steve Young weren't that good because they had Jerry Rice, John Taylor, and Terrell Owens? Every accomplished quarterback has good receivers. Tony Romo basically had one bad game this year. He's performed pretty well in every other game they've played, even the loss at Denver, although the game plan of throwing at Champ Bailey 17 times was a bit flawed.I'm not saying Romo is not a good QB. He's just not some star that you guys are making him out to be.Look at it though, while Brady is a great QB, he didn't put up 51 TD's in a season until he got a future HOF'er in Moss. Delhomme has had some good years with Steve Smith. Romo is a good QB, he's just not a star. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiViK_OuTkAsT™ Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 I have said this since he began starting for the boys and the media pumped him up. It never makes any sense why the media does this with certain people. What did he really do? Nothing but choke in the playoffs. The man has done nothing to warrant the coverage or discussion he receives. I just don't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papashango Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 I guess its how you look at a QB. To me, the best QB in the league, ounce for ounce right now is Drew Brees. He has touch, intelligence and a great receiving corps. Now, take Brees away from Colston and Meacham and Henderson and Bush and Moore, and put him with the Cowboys receivers, would he be as good? I guess what I am saying, a great QB is great, with or without great receivers. Its hard to prove, unless you have a situation where said QB has his top receivers taken from him, via trades or FA. Romo had Galloway and T.O. taken away. And admittedly, he is still on a pretty decent pace for total yardage this season. BUT, would he be better with T.O? Probably. But its all subjective. I like the way our QB plays. You can see the way he checks down, he is confident and rarely has that confidence shaken. Romo, to me, hasn't got a handle on the mental aspect of the game. When he gets down, its over for him. I think when he can break that, he will be lights out. No one questions his arm. I think the questions are more mental.So what does it say that Romo has almost the same amount of yards he had last season this year despite facing the Giants, Bucc's, Carolina, and Denver who are top 11 in pass defense this year? What does it also say that Jason Witten, Roy Williams, Crayton and Miles Austin all have more passing yards than TO currently does who's the #1 or #2 for the Bills? That tells me possibly two things. 1) Romo doesn't need TO and 2) Maybe TO needs Romo? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papashango Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 I have said this since he began starting for the boys and the media pumped him up. It never makes any sense why the media does this with certain people. What did he really do? Nothing but choke in the playoffs. The man has done nothing to warrant the coverage or discussion he receives. I just don't get it.He hasn't choked at quarterback in the playoffs. He's played good enough to win those games. Cowboys should've had both wins had he not been the place holder and had Crayton not dropped a touchdown against the Giants. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncja Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 So what does it say that Romo has almost the same amount of yards he had last season this year despite facing the Giants, Bucc's, Carolina, and Denver who are top 11 in pass defense this year? What does it also say that Jason Witten, Roy Williams, Crayton and Miles Austin all have more passing yards than TO currently does who's the #1 or #2 for the Bills? That tells me possibly two things. 1) Romo doesn't need TO and 2) Maybe TO needs Romo?He has 6 TD's so far. This point last season, he had 11. I know some people LOVE that yardage stat, but points mean more than yards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Doktor Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 This is one of those topics where there is never going to be a concensus. I, speaking personally, think he is a decent QB. Not elite. I think Kyle Orton is a good QB, not elite. The definition of elite will vary form person to person. In my mind there are 4 elite QB's. Peyton, Brees, Brady & Big Ben. There are many excellent QB's not quite there yet. Romo fits the Cowboys way of doing things. And because he is the Cowboys QB, he must be universally hated, and hunted down by our DE's. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 He has 6 TD's so far. This point last season, he had 11. I know some people LOVE that yardage stat, but points mean more than yards.So dude, you are judging him on a pretty tiny window of time, don't you think? I mean, don't you think that is a bit of cherry picking you are doing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 (edited) This is one of those topics where there is never going to be a concensus. I, speaking personally, think he is a decent QB. Not elite. I think Kyle Orton is a good QB, not elite. The definition of elite will vary form person to person. In my mind there are 4 elite QB's. Peyton, Brees, Brady & Big Ben. There are many excellent QB's not quite there yet. Romo fits the Cowboys way of doing things. And because he is the Cowboys QB, he must be universally hated, and hunted down by our DE's. :PI understand the three because they have rings, but why would you classify Brees as elite?edit - or I guess I would ask, how long do you believe he has been elite? Edited October 20, 2009 by Peyton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncja Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 So dude, you are judging him on a pretty tiny window of time, don't you think? I mean, don't you think that is a bit of cherry picking you are doing?I've said this year, he has been pedestrian. I think based on his past 3 years, he has been iffy, on the window of good/great, but with this season, he has not performed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papashango Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 He has 6 TD's so far. This point last season, he had 11. I know some people LOVE that yardage stat, but points mean more than yards.Well the Cowboys also have the 2nd best running game in the league. The TD's are down but he struggled against the Giants. That's quite evident. In that game he had 1 touchdown and 3 INT's. In only 5 games of course his stats aren't going to look great after that outing. By the end of the season his stats will be just comparable. I watch Romo play. I don't need stats to see that yea he has struggled this season but it was basically 1 game agains the Giants. And last week against the Chiefs while Austin had a great game he also dropped TWO TD's and he had a chance to have over 300 yards passing if he makes those catches that were in his hands. Romo's accuracy hasn't been great but his receivers haven't been catching the football either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papashango Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 This is one of those topics where there is never going to be a concensus. I, speaking personally, think he is a decent QB. Not elite. I think Kyle Orton is a good QB, not elite. The definition of elite will vary form person to person. In my mind there are 4 elite QB's. Peyton, Brees, Brady & Big Ben. There are many excellent QB's not quite there yet. Romo fits the Cowboys way of doing things. And because he is the Cowboys QB, he must be universally hated, and hunted down by our DE's. :PRomo has accomplished just as much as Brees has lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 I've said this year, he has been pedestrian. I think based on his past 3 years, he has been iffy, on the window of good/great, but with this season, he has not performed.30-14 record265 YPG for his career87 TDs in less than 3 seasons3rd in career passer ratingIffy.Ok, I give up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncja Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Well the Cowboys also have the 2nd best running game in the league. The TD's are down but he struggled against the Giants. That's quite evident. In that game he had 1 touchdown and 3 INT's. In only 5 games of course his stats aren't going to look great after that outing. By the end of the season his stats will be just comparable. I watch Romo play. I don't need stats to see that yea he has struggled this season but it was basically 1 game agains the Giants. And last week against the Chiefs while Austin had a great game he also dropped TWO TD's and he had a chance to have over 300 yards passing if he makes those catches that were in his hands. Romo's accuracy hasn't been great but his receivers haven't been catching the football either.I'm not questioning that you guys have a run game, yall are a dangerous team, but Tony Romo is having his worst season thus far as a starter. Coincidentally after losing a premier receiver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papashango Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 I'm not questioning that you guys have a run game, yall are a dangerous team, but Tony Romo is having his worst season thus far as a starter. Coincidentally after losing a premier receiver.Yea but you're not factoring in the competition he's faced. 4 of the 5 teams he's faced are atleast in the top 11 in pass defense. So you're judging him on 5 games where he's faced such competition. Its a bit premature. HE has the same amount of yards. TO's stats are the only ones that are inferior to what they were last year. And I like TO and thought it was a terrible decision to let him go. But you're ignoring facts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gacowboy Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Look, Romo has struggled a little this year. But he is getting it together. He has to gel with his new recievers and get on the same page. I think Romo is a top 10 QB in the league without a doubt, and his stats this year will come around. The first couple games this year the Cowboys have been playing sloppy. They move up and down the field, and until their Bye week, were leading the league in offense. #1. However they are also one of the most penalized teams and have been giving up turnovers. If they straighten up those things in the Bye week, they will be blowing teams out. But IMO that stems from Coaching and why Wade is not a good coach. He doesnt motivate the players to do right.Also in his bad game, vs the Giants, the Cowboys had 4 turnovers to 0 for the giants, and had the game won till the last 30 sec or so. And only lost by 2 points, -4 in the turnover differential. Statistically They dominated the game, but played sloppy and lost. You take away the turnovers and they would have blown the giants out. So we will see if they can clean up the sloppy play. Personally i think after the bye week they will straighten out the issues. Wade has claimed he is going to get the penalties to stop. He did in the first game vs the bucs and the Cowboys threw up 34 points. But the last few they have come back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevykev21 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 He gets all the attention because he is a hybrid white/black QB. Just ask Michael Irvin about how Romo's great-great-great-great-great-grandmother pulled one of them studs out from the barn back in the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncja Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 He gets all the attention because he is a hybrid white/black QB. Just ask Michael Irvin about how Romo's great-great-great-great-great-grandmother pulled one of them studs out from the barn back in the day.The **** are you talking about? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Doktor Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Romo has accomplished just as much as Brees has lol.Again, this is my opinion. I think Brees is a far superior QB. If it came down to winning one game, who do you think would get the most votes from players, coaches and fans alike to be the man in that game. Hands down, its Brees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigSmackDaddy Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 As much as I can't stand the Cowboys Tony Homo is a pretty good QB. I think he is over rated but he is good... With that being said I don't think he gets Carrie Underwood or Jessica Simpson if he's wearing lets say a Chiefs uni... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Herr Doktor Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 As much as I can't stand the Cowboys Tony Homo is a pretty good QB. I think he is over rated but he is good... With that being said I don't think he gets Carrie Underwood or Jessica Simpson if he's wearing lets say a Chiefs uni...Man that is truth right there! Not too shabby. Say what you want about the man, he's bagged some choice honies! Maybe not the sharpest tools in the shed, but someone has to throw themselves on those grenades (insert upper chest region joke here)!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Again, this is my opinion. I think Brees is a far superior QB. If it came down to winning one game, who do you think would get the most votes from players, coaches and fans alike to be the man in that game. Hands down, its Brees.Last year Drew Brees lost every big game he played in. He was the only NFC South QB to lose a game at home, a game that would have made the Falcons division champions. I don't know that I am ready to crown him just yet, his record in big games isn't really any better than Romo's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SiViK_OuTkAsT™ Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 He hasn't choked at quarterback in the playoffs. He's played good enough to win those games. Cowboys should've had both wins had he not been the place holder and had Crayton not dropped a touchdown against the Giants.LOL...OK That is the definition of choking. If you have to have an excuse for the reason someone did bad, that is choking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firstiary Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 (edited) I got to keep it real here. The guy has thrown 87 TDs in 39 starts. His career rating is 93.8 . He's averaged over 270 yards a game for his starts in his career. He has deservedly been to 2 Pro Bowls in 3 seasons.The guy is a good football player. Very good.I was going to say that. He was damnn good coming into regular PT when he started playing.Romo's QB rating in his first two seasons averaged 96. Ryan's currently averages just under 90.No one comes into the league and puts up a 96 passer rating for their first two years, though if you can find someone I'm sure you won't find many. Romo had "star" written all over him, but now that he's regressed a bit people are saying he sucks. Edited October 20, 2009 by Firstiary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kevykev21 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 He gets all the attention because he is a hybrid white/black QB. Just ask Michael Irvin about how Romo's great-great-great-great-great-grandmother pulled one of them studs out from the barn back in the day.The **** are you talking about?You don't remember? I was joking about this.On Dan Patrick's ESPN radio show, Irvin, who is employed as a broadcaster by ESPN, laughingly suggested of Romo: "He doesn't look like he's that type of an athlete. But he is. He is, man. I don't know if some brother down in that line somewhere, I don't know who saw what or where, his great-great-great-great-grandma ran over in the 'hood or something went down." Patrick tried to suggest to Irvin that he shouldn't go there, but Irvin was having none of it, continuing: "If great-great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandma pulled one of them studs up out of the barn, 'Come on in here for a second,' you know, and they go out and work in the yard. You know, back in the day." Of course Irvin wasn't suspended or anything..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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