Kayoh Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 I'm not trying to start any kind of "OMG NOW JAMAAL IS OVERRATED" BS. I'm just watching the San Fransisco game and it seems like Jamaal Anderson was our best NT. Did anybody else pay attention to this or am I just crazy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattChampy Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Johnson has more sacks and tackles so I say Johnson is better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Dark Helmet Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Johnson has more sacks and tackles so I say Johnson is better.Plus Jamaal's stats also include his time as a pass rushing DE for the first few games, and he still does not compare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayoh Posted October 20, 2009 Author Share Posted October 20, 2009 Chris Houston has more Tackles, PDs, and INTs than Nnamdi Asomugha. That doesn't make him a better CB, does it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Dark Helmet Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Chris Houston has more Tackles, PDs, and INTs than Nnamdi Asomugha. That doesn't make him a better CB, does it?Maybe that's why Nnamdi Asomugha is on the trading block... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MattChampy Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Maybe that's why Nnamdi Asomugha is on the trading block... plus one for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayoh Posted October 20, 2009 Author Share Posted October 20, 2009 Maybe that's why Nnamdi Asomugha is on the trading block...I wasn't aware of that, but if he really is on the trade block, it's certainly not because of a lack of on field performance. Regardless, my point is that stats aren't that important for CBs and NTs because a CB's job is to shut down the WR (and not get thrown at) and a NT's job is to eat up blockers and push the pocket so that LBers can make tackles and DEs can get sacks. You can't judge either position by their stats.EDIT: Matter of fact, just looked it up.http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/10/18/chiefs-willing-to-trade-anyone-but-cassel/http://bleacherreport.com/articles/274096-raiders-shopping-52-players-before-trade-deadlineGetcha facts straight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Dark Helmet Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 (edited) I wasn't aware of that, but if he really is on the trade block, it's certainly not because of a lack of on field performance. Regardless, my point is that stats aren't that important for CBs and NTs because a CB's job is to shut down the WR (and not get thrown at) and a NT's job is to eat up blockers and push the pocket so that LBers can make tackles and DEs can get sacks. You can't judge either position by their stats.While I do see your point, I still stick to what I said in the other thread. A good DT will do those things (eat up blockers, push the pocket) and also get the sacks and tackles. They should also be batting down passes at the line of scrimmage. A good DT does not just take up space. DT's that just take up space don't make pro bowls. You have to be the WHOLE package. And Jamaal falls short.As for the Nnamdi Asomugha thing, Jay Glazer reported it on the radio yesterday morning. It was all over every football message board. The Raiders later changed their mind. Edited October 20, 2009 by Lord Dark Helmet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayoh Posted October 20, 2009 Author Share Posted October 20, 2009 You're still ignoring the fact that the Bears game was only his second game at DT. He has to learn an entirely new position. It's like what happened when we asked Keith Brooking to make the switch to MLB. Of course there's going to be a learning curve. I'm saying that Jamaal is playing better than any other DT on our team in the NT role. And besides, he's been getting pressure on the QB when he's in at NT on passing plays. Quite a bit, actually. It's impressive. Watch some tape from the SF or CHI game and pay attention to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Dark Helmet Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 You're still ignoring the fact that the Bears game was only his second game at DT. He has to learn an entirely new position. It's like what happened when we asked Keith Brooking to make the switch to MLB. Of course there's going to be a learning curve. I'm saying that Jamaal is playing better than any other DT on our team in the NT role. And besides, he's been getting pressure on the QB when he's in at NT on passing plays. Quite a bit, actually. It's impressive. Watch some tape from the SF or CHI game and pay attention to him.We shall see at the end of the season. He needs to bulk up a bit I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayoh Posted October 20, 2009 Author Share Posted October 20, 2009 Without a doubt, he needs to put on around 20 lbs of muscle. With the way he's playing now, just imagine what he could do with an entire offseason dedicated to getting into NT shape.Have we unintentionally just found more competition for Peria Jerry at the starting NT spot? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymadd Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 I think that Johnson is the better overall talent at DT, but JA98 adds a different dimesion when it comes to pass rushing from the DT spot, he is quicker and more athletic than Johnson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayoh Posted October 20, 2009 Author Share Posted October 20, 2009 I think that Johnson is the better overall talent at DT, but JA98 adds a different dimesion when it comes to pass rushing from the DT spot, he is quicker and more athletic than Johnson.Jamaal is more stout at the point of attack as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymadd Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Jamaal is more stout at the point of attack as well.Um i dont know about that, Johnson is playing very well the last two games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayoh Posted October 20, 2009 Author Share Posted October 20, 2009 Johnson is leaving rushing lanes wide open in the last couple games when he plays at NT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymadd Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Johnson is leaving rushing lanes wide open in the last couple games when he plays at NT.Well from what i have seen Johnson has played well these last two games, you might be referring to Trey Lewis i have seen him leave some holes open. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karst41 Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 They Aints gots no Beard, Trade em Both to Cleveland ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kayoh Posted October 20, 2009 Author Share Posted October 20, 2009 Well from what i have seen Johnson has played well these last two games, you might be referring to Trey Lewis i have seen him leave some holes open.That's the thing, though. When those two are on the field at the same time, Johnson is at NT, Trey is the 3 technique. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymadd Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 That's the thing, though. When those two are on the field at the same time, Johnson is at NT, Trey is the 3 technique.Well when i rewatch the last two games and focus on Johnson he played well to me which has resulted in San Fran and Chicago having a hard time running the ball. I do see that Trey Lewis is still trying to get his sea legs back and has been prone to give up his position, which resulted in yardage, but the entire Dline played very well against Chicago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalcoChicquera Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 A good DT will do those things (eat up blockers, push the pocket) and also get the sacks and tackles. They should also be batting down passes at the line of scrimmage. A good DT does not just take up space. DT's that just take up space don't make pro bowls.Casey Hampton 2005 stat line:15 GS25 solo tackles (<2 game)0 sacks0 PDef0 FF0 INT1st team on AFC Pro BowlSuperbowl winnerYOU CANNOT JUDGE A LINEMAN BY THEIR STATS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimsmusic™ Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Casey Hampton 2005 stat line:15 GS25 solo tackles (<2 game)0 sacks0 PDef0 FF0 INT1st team on AFC Pro BowlSuperbowl winnerYOU CANNOT JUDGE A LINEMAN BY THEIR STATS <--- someone gets it.. thank god not all of you guys are stat junkies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atljbo Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 Both has played great the last 2 weeks.... I will say this tho... Jamaal Anderson has amazing potential as a DT... If Jamaal Anderson can get up to 295-305lbs (muscles) .... Dude is going to cause problems.... He is very athletic for a DT, very stout against the run, and Jamaal Anderson is getting to the QB......I am very excited about his play at DT..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymadd Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 someone gets it.. thank god not all of you guys are stat junkies.Come on JIM you cant honestly think that JA98 was tearing it up as a DE the last two years. YOu have to realize that the people who wanted JA98 to step up had a legitimate grip. NO we are not looking for him to get 16 sacks, but he does need to have some sacks as a potential pass rushing DE. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atljbo Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 I agree... I mean stats matter but DT is not a huge stat position.... Its about the things they set up for other players..... Our LB's are thriving because the play of our DT's...... I do feel like Jamaal Anderson has what it takes to be a impact DT (stat wise) ... He has to just continue to learn the position and bulk up some. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymadd Posted October 20, 2009 Share Posted October 20, 2009 I agree... I mean stats matter but DT is not a huge stat position.... Its about the things they set up for other players..... Our LB's are thriving because the play of our DT's...... I do feel like Jamaal Anderson has what it takes to be a impact DT (stat wise) ... He has to just continue to learn the position and bulk up some.If he can bulk up to 300 -305 that would be awesome and learn the position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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