BRING HIM HOME TD!

[blunttokinplaymaker]

Why is it when someone is constantly saying 'trust me' i dont trust them at all?

This guy is NOT better than all our DTs.

He shows up fat and out of shape to camp and plays like it every week...at least, when he's not injured.

Word around the league is he was overrated for his draft position, doesnt study his playbook, plays as an individual and not as a 'team', and is a season-ending injury waiting to happen. He may have BEEN a beast, but chances are he peaked in college and his only way to go is down.

All that aside, MAYBE if he came here (practically for free would be the only way i would take this guy) our coaching staff could possibly do something with him to revive his play. He would make a nice addition to our rotation, but he's not better than our DT's and he's surely not the next coming of Christ.

I am so glad we passed on this guy.

For the 23 million in baggage this guy carries we could bring in a few healthier, hungrier, and smarter players.

Plus, you have made it very clear in your posts that your only reason for living is to spew as much garbage about JA98 as you possibly can, perhaps hoping that one day, when and if we do get rid of him, you can jump around in circles screaming "I told you so! I told you so!"

Your post and your opinion on Dorsey are complete bs...trust me.

Hahahahahaha man what a clown where shall I start

Lets start with your claim the Dorsey isn't "is NOT better than all our DTs." I'm not sure what you were trying to say there but if you were saying that Dorsey is a worse NFL DT than the ones we have on our roster, let's take a look at what professional NFL scouts have to say on that matter, they're paid for their opinions because they know more than you.

2009 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.

Grade: 76 | Key

Comment: Dorsey made an immediate impact on the Chiefs' defense after being drafted in the first round in 2008. He is a thick defensive tackle with an explosive first step. He consistently gains the advantage as he engages blockers. He plays with a high level of intensity and will chase the ball from sideline to sideline as well as on downfield pursuit. He is quick to locate the level of the ball and takes good angles to get there. He is a natural knee-bender who plays with good leverage and can work his way to the play while warding off blocks. He still needs to develop more counter moves as a pass-rusher as he tends to rely on initial quickness to get the job done.

2009 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.

Grade: 58 | Key

Comment: Babineaux has good overall quickness but is undersized and lacks ideal strength. His lack of size limits his effectiveness against the run. He has a good motor but will get engulfed by big linemen who can sustain contact. Doesn't play with consistent reactions against the run and can be late to recognize blocking schemes. Loses ground while trying to recover and has trouble holding ground inside against double teams. Not a stout run defender who can stack it up quickly, shed and control the point. When he comes off low he flashes good hand use to press and lock out but is missing the overall strength to shed blockers. He comes off the ball with good initial quickness as a pass-rusher, and while he works to stay active he does not have a lot of pass rush variety. Has success when he wins quickly off the ball but lacks second reaction to clear when he stalls or gets locked up. He has adequate success on a power rush due to low pad level and quickness into the lineman's frame, but overall Babineaux lacks ideal size and relies on quickness more than strength.

2009 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.

Grade: 56 | Key

Comment: Lewis spent the 2008 season on the physically unable to perform list. He has excellent size and strength for the position and above-average short-area quickness but lacks pursuit speed. He tends to rely on power and strength more than technique. He needs to improve his hand use as he allows blockers to get into his pads too easily. He is best suited for the nose tackle position but has played the three-technique. He will flash a powerful bull rush but lacks an explosive burst as well as counter moves when blockers gain initial position.

Peria Jerry, Vance Walker, and Thomas Johnson weren't in the league last year and don't have a scouting report.

Grade: 66 | Key

Comment: Anderson has been somewhat of a disappointment as a defensive end since being drafted in the first round of the 2007 draft. He has all the measurables you want in a defensive end, but can't seem to put it all together. Although he has excellent size and good strength and appears to read blocking schemes and feel pressure well, he is often half a step away from making plays. He shows good range. He has decent upfield acceleration and speed to pressure the pocket but does not show many counter moves when blockers get their hands on him.

So we`ve established that the the hypothesis of your fundamentally flawed argument is wrong.

Now you go on to support your argument by spewing "He shows up fat and out of shape to camp and plays like it every week...at least, when he's not injured.

Word around the league is he was overrated for his draft position, doesnt study his playbook, plays as an individual and not as a 'team', and is a season-ending injury waiting to happen. He may have BEEN a beast, but chances are he peaked in college and his only way to go is down."

Ok so that was all ********. You've watched him play every week? Then you wouldve known hes never missed a game you clown. Word around the league? Plays an an individual and is a season ending injury waiting to happen? I dont think I should even go on youve lost all credibility in my eyes everything you just said was complete ******** you sir are a clown

[blunttokinplaymaker]

i dont know , id rather have darnell dockett dudes a beast plus he proved himself in last year that hes a dominate DT i think id rather have dockett and babs then rotate jerry in to keep him healthy makes more sense plus as of right now dockett has i think a year left on his contract so we could choose to resign him or let him go apposed to getting dorsey he has a huge contract .

Docketts agent was the one lobbying for the trade on his twitter site in the offseason, he was saying how teams would give up a 1st and more for him and obviously he wants a monster deal. Great player but I think we can get Dorsey for SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper (trade cost and contract cost) and have him for longer

[Bring It]

The Chiefs are already p.issed that we acquired Gonzalez too cheaply.

They're asking price for Dorsey is probably too high for TD's taste.

Or.............he just might be a Falcon by noon Tuesday.

[blunttokinplaymaker]

Why would KC be trying to get rid of him in his second year in the league and his first year playing DE? I calling shenanigans on this Dorsey business. And even if he was available I wouldn't want him.

Dorsey doesnt fit in KCs defense at all

Far too short for DE

Too light to play NT

He is a DT that wins with quickness not anchoring the point he is a perfect fit for a 4-3 both in terms of height, weight, and his talents/skills (quickness)

Was drafted by a staff that ran a 4-3 and is no longer in KC

Edited October 17, 2009 by blunttokinplaymaker

[blunttokinplaymaker]

So what! Just because he fits the system does not mean he is a "Player". He has not proven he is worth his draft status, do I need to go down the list of first round draft picks along the D-line over the last 10 years that didn't pan out? You must understand, there is more to being a good player than size/speed/draft status/college production. You have to transfer all that to the NFL and produce. Dorsey has not done that.

Fail.

"Dorsey made an immediate impact on the Chiefs' defense after being drafted in the first round in 2008." - Scouts Inc

[malk]

That would be pretty cool if we could get him for real cheap. I would probably offer a 2010 3rd round pick and if they want higher say no to it IMO.

That would be cool Abe, anderson, jerry, glen dorsey, biermann. Babineaux, davis.

[blunttokinplaymaker]

But to be fair, Dorsey has not had a chance to do that.

His first year numbers were respectable (actually, very nice comparably speaking for a rookie DT). And after that, the entire coaching staff and FO for that matter changed and the scheme is now totally different. He's not a fit for the 3-4 scheme KC now employs. He never was.

And his only year in a 4-3 (the scheme he was drafted for) he produced well.

Anyone calling him a bust to this point honestly must either have no idea of these circumstances or their football IQ is very questionable.

Hey look someone else that actually knows what theyre talking about

[blunttokinplaymaker]

And to all the clowns trying to say that Dorsey hasnt been productive he's played every game since he's entered the NFL and as a rookie he had 46 tackles, 1 sack, 3 tackles for a loss, 1 forced fumble and 1 pass defensed.

If you don't know that that is an excellent rookie season for an NFL DT, you don't have a ******* clue what you're talking about.

Every person who's said no to Dorsey name 5 NFL DTs drafted in the past few years that have had more productive seasons. I guarantee none of you can name 2 without cheating

Here's what Haloti Ngatas rookie numbers looked like 31 tackles, 1 sack, 1 tackle for loss, 1 int, 1 pass defensed

Edited October 17, 2009 by blunttokinplaymaker

[blunttokinplaymaker]

This season Dorsey has 15 tackles, a tackle for loss, and a pass defensed

Babineaux has 8 tackles and a tackle for loss

[blunttokinplaymaker]

Well said, +1

Clown

[HouseofEuphoria]

Clown

Put down the blunt...you're burning Dorseys fat a** trying to kiss it and smoke at the same time.

You like to call people clowns that you dont agree with. Fine, no problem.

I never said the guy was a huge bust. He could go on to have a good, solid NFL career. I just dont think so, and i dont want the experiment coming here for JA98, one of our high draft picks, a huge contract or sacrificing the cohesion we have already established. We have enough players right now that i think very highly of that we have to get resigned before we bring in your 'money man'

[JRid]

Jesus I never knew how many dumbasses are on on this board. Atlanta must have a terrible education system.

Let's start from the beginning. We run a 4-3 defense. This a 1-gap defense.

That means it relys on the quickness of the defensive linemen to make plays in the backfield against the run and the pass.

In this defense, the UT (Babineaux) is the interior penetrator and the RE (Abraham, Biermann) is the edge rusher. However, for these players to be effective we need a 2 gap NT (Jerry) or power end LE (Anderson, Davis) to hold the point of attack in the run game versus the double team. This leaves the other players in one on one matchups, putting them in position to make plays with their quickness.

However, with the injury to Jerry, on run plays Babineaux gets double teamed and on pass plays both Abraham and Babineaux can be double teamed if they use a TE or RB in pass protection. That leaves us with either Biermann/Davis/Sidbury/Anderson and Johnson/Lewis/Walker/Anderson in one on one, with a far less likely chance of making a play than our best players. The trickle down effect of this is huge. It means offensive linemen getting to the linebackers in the run game and pass rushers not getting to the QB.

The reason why the Chiefs would be considering trading Glenn Dorsey is because he is an absolute misfit for the 2 gap 3-4 defense they run. Dorsey was drafted by a coaching staff that is no longer in KC that run a 4-3. The new staff runs a 3-4.

In the 3-4 your NT must be in the 330lb+ range to take on double teams from centres and guards every play. The NT wins by being an anchor that the O-line cannot push back. Dorsey is a player that wins with exceptional quickness, this is the exact opposite of what a NT must do. Because a NT must be responsible for 2 defensive gaps it needs to "clog space" and not give any ground to the O line. This is why Dorsey cannot be the NT in a 3-4, it is a complete waste of his talents.

In the 3-4 your DEs should be in the 6-6 range. Dorsey is 6-1. The DEs do battle with OTs that are 6-5+ and have massive arms. A player who is 6-1 is absolutely wasted as an end in the 3-4. Again, as a D linemen in the 3-4, Dorsey is responsible for holding the point against 2 gaps instead of using his quickness to penetrate like a DT in a 4-3 scheme.

Maybe now some of you understand why the Chiefs WOULD trade Dorsey. He has no place on their defense.

However, someone like say DE Anderson who is 6-6 290 still very young with potential is a perfect fit for their scheme and not a great one for ours. Andersons never going to be the playmaker in space off the edge, I feel like hed do much better playing inside as an End in the 3-4, and I know that Dorsey already is a better NFL player

Good God man this is a great explanation and I have to give you props for all your posts in this thread. You pretty much summed up exactly what I've been thinking when it comes to Dorsey and why I'm so high on getting him. I don't post much even though I read the boards all the time, but I've been posting in the Dorsey threads just because I really want him on this team and it seems like a lot of people don't know how good he could be for us. Thanks

[blunttokinplaymaker]

Put down the blunt...you're burning Dorseys fat a** trying to kiss it and smoke at the same time.

You like to call people clowns that you dont agree with. Fine, no problem.

I never said the guy was a huge bust. He could go on to have a good, solid NFL career. I just dont think so, and i dont want the experiment coming here for JA98, one of our high draft picks, a huge contract or sacrificing the cohesion we have already established. We have enough players right now that i think very highly of that we have to get resigned before we bring in your 'money man'

Hahaha you actually came back?

You are a ******* clown.

Not because you disagree with me, because the things you believe are blatantly incorrect and you make countless baseless arguments with no evidence to support them.

You're a joke.

[blunttokinplaymaker]

Put down the blunt...you're burning Dorseys fat a** trying to kiss it and smoke at the same time.

You like to call people clowns that you dont agree with. Fine, no problem.

I never said the guy was a huge bust. He could go on to have a good, solid NFL career. I just dont think so, and i dont want the experiment coming here for JA98, one of our high draft picks, a huge contract or sacrificing the cohesion we have already established. We have enough players right now that i think very highly of that we have to get resigned before we bring in your 'money man'

The following are your words "This guy is NOT better than all our DTs.

He shows up fat and out of shape to camp and plays like it every week...at least, when he's not injured.

Word around the league is he was overrated for his draft position, doesnt study his playbook, plays as an individual and not as a 'team', and is a season-ending injury waiting to happen. He may have BEEN a beast, but chances are he peaked in college and his only way to go is down."

"This guy is NOT better than all our DTs. " This isn't even English but has already been proven wrong.

"He shows up fat and out of shape to camp and plays like it every week...at least, when he's not injured." Well hes never been injured and has been extremely productive as a rookie and in his 2nd year. You clearly don't have a ******* clue what you're talking about, are pulling **** out of your ***, and talk as if you've watched him play every game of his career despite the fact that you obviously never have.

"Word around the league is he was overrated for his draft position" Ill bet, once again you talk out of your ***

"doesnt study his playbook" ahahhaha really youve talked to KCs defensive staff? Youre a complete liar you *********

"plays as an individual and not as a 'team'," again all youre doing is making **** up and talking out of your *** you are a ******* clown

"and is a season-ending injury waiting to happen." how?

The only thing you did was come in here and talk a bunch of ****. You made up a bunch of lies that you thought were convincing but the fact that they're all wrong exposes you as a loser with too much time on his hands that has no idea what hes talking about

As I said, you sir, are a clown

[CraigSmackDaddy]

If they'll take JA98 and a 4th for Dorsey it would be foolish of us not to do it. I have NEVER been a JA98 hater but I truly believe Dorsey is a better player than JA. I see people keep saying they want to see what he can do at DT. He had one good game at DT against a sorry o-line, not his first snap at DT by the way, and now you're wanting to pass on a legit DT that we were close to drafting to see what JA98 has to offer?

This is all of course if our FO hasn't already tried this. I'd at least like to know if it has been brought to the table. Probably will never know unless the trade goes down.

[HouseofEuphoria]

The following are your words "This guy is NOT better than all our DTs.

He shows up fat and out of shape to camp and plays like it every week...at least, when he's not injured.

Word around the league is he was overrated for his draft position, doesnt study his playbook, plays as an individual and not as a 'team', and is a season-ending injury waiting to happen. He may have BEEN a beast, but chances are he peaked in college and his only way to go is down."

"This guy is NOT better than all our DTs. " This isn't even English but has already been proven wrong.

"He shows up fat and out of shape to camp and plays like it every week...at least, when he's not injured." Well hes never been injured and has been extremely productive as a rookie and in his 2nd year. You clearly don't have a ******* clue what you're talking about, are pulling **** out of your ***, and talk as if you've watched him play every game of his career despite the fact that you obviously never have.

"Word around the league is he was overrated for his draft position" Ill bet, once again you talk out of your ***

"doesnt study his playbook" ahahhaha really youve talked to KCs defensive staff? Youre a complete liar you *********

"plays as an individual and not as a 'team'," again all youre doing is making **** up and talking out of your *** you are a ******* clown

"and is a season-ending injury waiting to happen." how?

The only thing you did was come in here and talk a bunch of ****. You made up a bunch of lies that you thought were convincing but the fact that they're all wrong exposes you as a loser with too much time on his hands that has no idea what hes talking about

As I said, you sir, are a clown

wow...just wow.

I was gonna say something along the lines of 'Hey, we're all Falcon fans, and we all want for our team to do well if he comes here or not, blah blah blah...'

But it appears your man-crush for Dorsey is worse than i thought!

I am truly sorry for upsetting you, sir.

Now i realize that there's no possible way for my Falcons to win anything without Dorsey here in Atlanta.

This makes me sad.

If the Falcons ever have an opening for armchair GM i'm gonna recommend you!

Good Luck and enjoy the season.

Or as you would say: "Have a f****** s****** a** season y** f****** d**** s****!!!!"

[blunttokinplaymaker]

wow...just wow.

I was gonna say something along the lines of 'Hey, we're all Falcon fans, and we all want for our team to do well if he comes here or not, blah blah blah...'

But it appears your man-crush for Dorsey is worse than i thought!

I am truly sorry for upsetting you, sir.

Now i realize that there's no possible way for my Falcons to win anything without Dorsey here in Atlanta.

This makes me sad.

If the Falcons ever have an opening for armchair GM i'm gonna recommend you!

Good Luck and enjoy the season.

Or as you would say: "Have a f****** s****** a** season y** f****** d**** s****!!!!"

What are you trying to say?

Are you admitting you came into this thread and made up a bunch of lies about Dorsey?

Cause that's exactly what happened, you came in here and said a bunch of things that you made up. You have no basis whatsoever for your argument. And you got proven painfully wrong. So what are you saying now?

Are you trying to insult me because I embarassed you?

I really don't understand why you're still here, you came in got embarassed and now you're hanging around like getting exposed as a liar who just makes things up and pretends their fact is what you intended

These are your claims:

-He shows up fat and out of shape to camp and plays like it every week...at least, when he's not injured.

-Word around the league is he was overrated for his draft position,

-doesnt study his playbook,

-plays as an individual and not as a 'team',

-and is a season-ending injury waiting to happen.

-He may have BEEN a beast, but chances are he peaked in college and his only way to go is down."

These aren't even rumours, they're just lies you made up. The only one that may have any truth to it all is the claim that he showed up overweight to camp and even that is bs the coaching staff gave him a new playing weight and when he wasnt at it (probably under it) the staff wanted that to change.

You've done absolutely nothing to validate or back up any of these claims.

You're just a liar and a clown with nothing intelligent to say.

So now exposed you fail terribly at trying to insult me because you have nothing to say and then actually try to claim that my argument is "Now i realize that there's no possible way for my Falcons to win anything without Dorsey here in Atlanta."

Are you really that unbelievably stupid?

My argument is that with the injury to Jerry, we do not have the players it takes at the DT position to beat good teams and win playoff games this season, which is our goal (Superbowl)

Trading for Dorsey immediately fills that glaring weakness but instead of compromising our future sets us up to have an even better future, this guy was a top 5 pick last year and has played exceptionally well and be healthy his entire career (despite what those with learning disabilities say) and we wont be giving up a top 5 pick to get him. Thats called value.

We don't need Dorsey, we need a DT.

Dorsey is the best option for a number of reasons.

He was drafted by a staff that is no longer in KC that played a 4-3

He has no position in the 3-4 that the new staff who did not draft him runs. They drafted a player that plays his position with a top 5 pick this year

TD and Scott Pioli have the connections

KC is going no where this season

Anderson is a perfect fit as a 3-4 DE

So clown while youve done a great job of convincing yourself Dorsey is my favorite player in the world, the fact is the group we have at DT is not going to cut it this season. Babineaux is a UT who plays under 300 pounds, needs to be rotated, and needs a NT to take doubleteams or he just gets washed in the run game vs the double team. Trey Lewis is a 6th or 7th round pick coming off 2 major knee injuries. Thomas Johnson and Vance Walker weren't in the NFL last year. Anderson plays under 300 pounds. If our top 2 DTs are under 300 pounds theyre going to get abused in the run game and well never be in position to rush the passer. Sure maybe itll work against San Frans crap OL and no Frank Gore and CHIs crappy OL but not against any real running games.

Dorsey makes the most sense because he doesnt fit the scheme hes in right now and the team wants to move him for this reason he is a perfect fit in our scheme. He was a top 5 pick who has met if not exceeded expectations thus far in his career never been injured and will give us a nasty DT rotation in the future when Jerrys back (and it will be Jerrys rookie season next year remember). Dorsey costs less to acquire than Shaun Rogers or Darnell Dockett is much younger and could develop to be better than either and play for us for quite some time

Ever notice how I make fundamentally sound arguments that I prove with evidence and you just make crap up that doesnt even make sense?

[blunttokinplaymaker]

It really is incredibly simple.

The only reason not to trade for a DT is if you think the group of DTs we have this season is good enough for us to win the Superbowl.

I know that this group is not good enough.

I challenge anyone here to prove otherwise.

I'll prove why I know this group won't cut it if we want to win a Superbowl championship this season (That is what we're trying to do right?)

[CraigSmackDaddy]

It really is incredibly simple.

The only reason not to trade for a DT is if you think the group of DTs we have this season is good enough for us to win the Superbowl.

I know that this group is not good enough.

I challenge anyone here to prove otherwise.

I'll prove why I know this group won't cut it if we want to win a Superbowl championship this season (That is what we're trying to do right?)

I'm with you on bringin in Dorsey if the asking price is reasonable, like I've said JA98 and a 4th, but to say YOU KNOW that this group won't cut it if we want to win a SB is ridiculous. Trey Lewis and Thomas Johnson should only get better and there is no way for any of us to know how good or bad they will play in week 17 of the season. All they have to do is play well enough to get us to the playoffs and then play lights out once we are there. Impossible to do that? H3ll no, look at the Cardinals last season!

[blunttokinplaymaker]

I'm with you on bringin in Dorsey if the asking price is reasonable, like I've said JA98 and a 4th, but to say YOU KNOW that this group won't cut it if we want to win a SB is ridiculous. Trey Lewis and Thomas Johnson should only get better and there is no way for any of us to know how good or bad they will play in week 17 of the season. All they have to do is play well enough to get us to the playoffs and then play lights out once we are there. Impossible to do that? H3ll no, look at the Cardinals last season!

I do know this group won't cut it and I'll explain why in just a second. Obviously I'm not a psychic but to rely on Trey Lewis, Thomas Johnson, Vance Walker is a fundamentally flawed plan.

DT is one of the most imporant positions on a football team and it is our weakest link at the moment. If we can not only turn that weakness into a strength right now but an even greater strength in the future and do it by acquiring a healthy productive top 5 pick for a lot less than a top 5 pick its pretty clear what we should do.

[blunttokinplaymaker]

Why our current group of DTs may get it done vs poor teams and poor running games, it won't cut it for the playoffs.

Our current group of DTs is

Jonathan Babineaux

Thomas Johnson

Trey Lewis

Vance Walker

DE Jamaal Anderson

Babineaux is our best DT (pre-Jerry injury too in my mind) and underrated across the league but somewhat overrated on this board. I've always liked him because of the quickness he'll flash in the backfield. However the truth is he is undersized for a DT and the injury to Jerry now limits his effectiveness in a number of ways

-With Babineaux as the only proven DT on this team (and he is) and no NT the calibre of Jerry, that means on every run play that Babs is in he's getting double teamed at the point of attack by a centre and a guard or a guard and a tackle, that's about 650lbs against less than 300 (and Babs is less than 300). Purely from a physics standpoint thats going to render Babineaux a nonfactor in the rungame, he's not going to hold the point of attack, he's going to get washed and linemen are going to get to the LBs. On pass plays if teams keep a TE or RB in to protect both Babineaux and Abraham can be double teamed. Babineaux is an Under Tackle in our scheme, he penetrates versus guards and centres in one on one matchups using his quickness, but without a NT to command the double team, he doesnt get one on one matchups and doesnt get a chance to make a play

-With Babineaux our best DT and little to no depth behind him he'll be on the field longer and therefore less effective, combined with being constantly double teamed you get a cumalative effect (8 tackles this season)

Behind him Thomas Johnson and Vance Walker weren't in the NFL last year.

If Trey Lewis could step up that would be huge but it's not a smart risk to take he's coming off 2 major knee injuries was a very late round pick from a small school and hasnt played a lot of NFL football. Id love it to work out with him but its not a winning bet to make, certainly not a smart one to hinge our season on.

Anderson has been playing DT and he can help us there in the passing game but at 6-6 and only 290 he's a 3-4 DE not a 4-3 DT. He can penetrate in the passing game but in the run game hes far too lanky, any good 6-6 DT is well over 300lbs some 350. At 6-6 he's not going to get under many centres or guards and he wont hold the point in the run game.

[blunttokinplaymaker]

Again read these evaluations by Scouts inc. These are professional observations from film by NFL scouts. I felt Babineaux is probably slightly underrated but I understand why, he played at around 285 last year (he's listed at 296 right now) which is just too small for a DT.

2009 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.

Grade: 58 | Key

Comment: Babineaux has good overall quickness but is undersized and lacks ideal strength. His lack of size limits his effectiveness against the run. He has a good motor but will get engulfed by big linemen who can sustain contact. Doesn't play with consistent reactions against the run and can be late to recognize blocking schemes. Loses ground while trying to recover and has trouble holding ground inside against double teams. Not a stout run defender who can stack it up quickly, shed and control the point. When he comes off low he flashes good hand use to press and lock out but is missing the overall strength to shed blockers. He comes off the ball with good initial quickness as a pass-rusher, and while he works to stay active he does not have a lot of pass rush variety. Has success when he wins quickly off the ball but lacks second reaction to clear when he stalls or gets locked up. He has adequate success on a power rush due to low pad level and quickness into the lineman's frame, but overall Babineaux lacks ideal size and relies on quickness more than strength.

As I've been saying Babineaux's game is quickness, not power, so in order to put him in position to suceed we need a NT to command double teams so he can use his quickness to beat interior linemen who are slower than him one on one. As I said without a NT hes set up to fail as he gets doubleteamed which takes away his speed and exposes his lack of anchoring ability, a recipe for disaster

Lewis is only rated 2 points worse than Babs, I wonder if thats a knock of Babs or props for Lewis

2009 Scouting Report - Scouts Inc.

Grade: 56 | Key

Comment: Lewis spent the 2008 season on the physically unable to perform list. He has excellent size and strength for the position and above-average short-area quickness but lacks pursuit speed. He tends to rely on power and strength more than technique. He needs to improve his hand use as he allows blockers to get into his pads too easily. He is best suited for the nose tackle position but has played the three-technique. He will flash a powerful bull rush but lacks an explosive burst as well as counter moves when blockers gain initial position.

Well thats a pretty nice review for a lateround pick coming off 2 major knee injuries, if Trey can play like that consistently and stay healthy we might have a chance but again he came into the league in 2007 and he's only played in 11 games, that's not the model of durability or experience.

Johnson and Walker werent in the league last year so they dont have a report

I find it pretty funny Anderson's rated higher than Babineaux (as a DE, mind you)

Grade: 66 | Key

Comment: Anderson has been somewhat of a disappointment as a defensive end since being drafted in the first round of the 2007 draft. He has all the measurables you want in a defensive end, but can't seem to put it all together. Although he has excellent size and good strength and appears to read blocking schemes and feel pressure well, he is often half a step away from making plays. He shows good range. He has decent upfield acceleration and speed to pressure the pocket but does not show many counter moves when blockers get their hands on him.

I dont think Anderson will be a factor as a run defender from DT (thats what LE is for) but he could make some plays as an interior pass rusher versus guards and centres with his quickness but again Anderson while hes stayed healthy is anything but proven at this level, especially at DT

[Matt Ryan #2]

Not too high on Dorsey myself but it's another DT that's above avg. I guess and better than Trey Lewis. We could have Dorsey and Jerry grow together. Like I said i'm not too high on him but he's better than our DTs since Jerry is out we could match him with JB in the middle.

[blunttokinplaymaker]

We need a DT, Dorsey is the one who just happens to be most available for a number of reasons hes also a young healthy productive top 5 pick thats a perfect fit for our system

Its makes too much sense

[804_Falconfan]

If Babineaux is undersized as a DT so is Dorsey. Babs is 6-2, 296lbs and Dorsey is listed as 6-1, 297lbs. So is KC supposedly trying to trade Dorsey because of lack of production because according to the stats many are listing he's not playing bad or simply because he doesn't fit the look of a 3-4 DE?