2010 Draft Needs

[Jaymadd]

Hakim a agree with you completely i fill like Abe only has about three good years left and he is a key part of our defense. I know ever one is stuck with this "process" but i see it as we have a small window at winning a superbowl in the next couple of years. we have a young talented offense thats mostly under contract and were a our special teams unit is great and were a really good Dlineman and DB away from being an elite team like Steelers, Colts and Pats... Maybe Sidbury, Biermann, JA98, or Davis can step up and become that guy but we gotta strike while the iron is hot.

We will draft someone Trust me.

[hakim24]

Dude do you know how expensive it is going to be to bring in a FA DE, you might as well let that thought fly out the window. YOu keep talking about cant count on a Rookie Dline to make an impact, but you neglect to mention that the chances of a Rookie CB, especially if we draft in the later rounds, which i believe we will, having an impact early, and Hakim there are no pure superstar studs at CB this draft, like it was 2 years ago, when Rodgers Cromatie came out. You living in a the hype Hakim LOL J/K dude, but 4 real.

It is going to be even more expensive to get a FA CB.... especially if they are an above average CB.... look at how much Foxworth got and he is a C+ type CB.

And I always have said we will either draft a CB really early or not at all. I see no point in drafting another late round CB seeing as how its no way he can jump Houston, Hill, Williams, Grimes, AND Owens. Where would ANOTHER late round CB fit in?

A first or second rounder can come in and at least get the NB job and grow into a starter.

Aren't you one of the guys who says Pass Rush improves CBs? So why would you get a unproven rookie to be the primary guy to help improve it?

We need a proven player who we know can come in and help out in the department. We can't be cheap.

[NFL Draft Fan 07]

I disagree completely that we have a small window to win a title. Tony Gonzalez has a small window to win a title, but the Falcons organization does not. John Abraham might have a tightening window to win a title, but the Falcons organization does not.

And if we are going to go sign an expensive LE why the **** did we let Kerney go? We could have had him here right now for 7 or 8 million a year which is probably what Kampman is going to ask for. We thought that was too much for a player over 30 (Kampman will be 30 next year and will be seeking a big contract, probably a 5 year deal for 40 million if not more) so I am just not buying that TD has done a complete 180 on giving big contracts to players who are a couple of years from declining. That was McKay's specialty and I really hope it never becomes Dimitroff's.

Signing a corner who can come in and at least solidify one of the starting spots is going to be infinitely more feasible than signing a defensive end who has a track record of producing a lot of pressure and sacks. Just because we might have a chance to sign him doesn't mean that we should.

Plus this draft is looking like a very strong one for the defensive line as a whole, for DT and DE, while with each passing week the corners at the top of this draft class become more unattractive (at least the top seniors do). So why not use free agency to shore up one of our needs and grab a couple of defensive lineman in the draft instead of a corner. The class is much deeper and more talented, so it just makes more sense to do it that way rather than paying big bucks for a DE 3 years away from a decline and then overdrafting a corner because the class is thin.

[Jaymadd]

I disagree completely that we have a small window to win a title. Tony Gonzalez has a small window to win a title, but the Falcons organization does not. John Abraham might have a tightening window to win a title, but the Falcons organization does not.

And if we are going to go sign an expensive LE why the **** did we let Kerney go? We could have had him here right now for 7 or 8 million a year which is probably what Kampman is going to ask for. We thought that was too much for a player over 30 (Kampman will be 30 next year and will be seeking a big contract, probably a 5 year deal for 40 million if not more) so I am just not buying that TD has done a complete 180 on giving big contracts to players who are a couple of years from declining. That was McKay's specialty and I really hope it never becomes Dimitroff's.

Signing a corner who can come in and at least solidify one of the starting spots is going to be infinitely more feasible than signing a defensive end who has a track record of producing a lot of pressure and sacks. Just because we might have a chance to sign him doesn't mean that we should.

Plus this draft is looking like a very strong one for the defensive line as a whole, for DT and DE, while with each passing week the corners at the top of this draft class become more unattractive (at least the top seniors do). So why not use free agency to shore up one of our needs and grab a couple of defensive lineman in the draft instead of a corner. The class is much deeper and more talented, so it just makes more sense to do it that way rather than paying big bucks for a DE 3 years away from a decline and then overdrafting a corner because the class is thin.

I definitely agree with everything. I can see us getting a CB in FA and getting a Dline help through the draft. I agree with you as well that the CB talent in this draft is rapidly falling, Florida State is getting ripped up in the pass defense and i dont see the big deal about Lindley. The prospect that has been solid IMO is McCourtey, the only reason he is not a 1st to 2nd round pick is becasue he plays for Rutgers.

[NFL Draft Fan 07]

Looking at the CB position and saying "we have young guys, therefore we can't draft another one" is a little too black and white to me. If we are ok with being kind of specialized in the secondary then we are ok, but if we want to have more flexibility with guys who can play man and zone, then we are not ok. Adding a guy in the mid-round with a solid #2 starter ceiling and a nickel/dime corner floor isn't a bad thing if he can play man and zone well and preferably has some ball skills to at least get some pass deflections. Whether we will go in that direction or not is unclear obviously, but it wouldn't bother me if we did. It would only help us in the future. But I can't say I am really in favor of spending a 1st rounder on a corner right now. That might change, but the top corners in this draft really aren't doing it for me, at least they haven't when I watched them.

[Jaymadd]

Looking at the CB position and saying "we have young guys, therefore we can't draft another one" is a little too black and white to me. If we are ok with being kind of specialized in the secondary then we are ok, but if we want to have more flexibility with guys who can play man and zone, then we are not ok. Adding a guy in the mid-round with a solid #2 starter ceiling and a nickel/dime corner floor isn't a bad thing if he can play man and zone well and preferably has some ball skills to at least get some pass deflections. Whether we will go in that direction or not is unclear obviously, but it wouldn't bother me if we did. It would only help us in the future. But I can't say I am really in favor of spending a 1st rounder on a corner right now. That might change, but the top corners in this draft really aren't doing it for me, at least they haven't when I watched them.

I agree I would rather go with what we than with a Rookie unless it is a stud, and more than likely we wont be in a position to draft the stud unless we move up. I still think that Hakim is sleeping on Owens who is going to be a solid starter and i see him being like Antione Winfield type, he just needs time to learn. I really like McCourty and think that he has a good chance to be a #1 CB 4 real, the kid has 4.4 speed, CB height at 5'11 and good size at 190, has ball skills and plays the run very well, he is good at reading the QB and the WR too.

Hakim you must have played CB in high School or anytime you play Superstar on Madden you must always create yourself to be a CB.

[hakim24]

I disagree completely that we have a small window to win a title. Tony Gonzalez has a small window to win a title, but the Falcons organization does not. John Abraham might have a tightening window to win a title, but the Falcons organization does not.

And if we are going to go sign an expensive LE why the **** did we let Kerney go? We could have had him here right now for 7 or 8 million a year which is probably what Kampman is going to ask for. We thought that was too much for a player over 30 (Kampman will be 30 next year and will be seeking a big contract, probably a 5 year deal for 40 million if not more) so I am just not buying that TD has done a complete 180 on giving big contracts to players who are a couple of years from declining. That was McKay's specialty and I really hope it never becomes Dimitroff's.

Signing a corner who can come in and at least solidify one of the starting spots is going to be infinitely more feasible than signing a defensive end who has a track record of producing a lot of pressure and sacks. Just because we might have a chance to sign him doesn't mean that we should.

Plus this draft is looking like a very strong one for the defensive line as a whole, for DT and DE, while with each passing week the corners at the top of this draft class become more unattractive (at least the top seniors do). So why not use free agency to shore up one of our needs and grab a couple of defensive lineman in the draft instead of a corner. The class is much deeper and more talented, so it just makes more sense to do it that way rather than paying big bucks for a DE 3 years away from a decline and then overdrafting a corner because the class is thin.

I don't see Kampman having much leverage for a big contract..... especially if he has a down year this year in the 3-4. Not many teams are going to give a 30 year old a huge contract. Plus there are not a bunch of teams still running the 4-3.

If he is asking for anything over 6 Mil a year, I would be against signing him. If not, I don't see any rookie having near the impact that he would.

It would be smart to get a rookie and hope he works out, but it is just too much uncertainty. Our Defense HAS to improve by any means necessary or we are going to be looking up at the Saints for at least the next 2-4 seasons.

More pressure would help our secondary. Kampman is proven and can automatically help in that department.

Plus I don't see too many options at CB who are worth a look. Dunta Robinson is the only player that I would really take a chance with and to get him we would probably have to give up a 1st round pick + give him a new contract.

Kampman can become a UFA while all the good young CBs would be RFAs and ultimately a pick would probably have to be given up to acquire anybody relevant.

[hakim24]

I agree I would rather go with what we than with a Rookie unless it is a stud, and more than likely we wont be in a position to draft the stud unless we move up. I still think that Hakim is sleeping on Owens who is going to be a solid starter and i see him being like Antione Winfield type, he just needs time to learn. I really like McCourty and think that he has a good chance to be a #1 CB 4 real, the kid has 4.4 speed, CB height at 5'11 and good size at 190, has ball skills and plays the run very well, he is good at reading the QB and the WR too.

Hakim you must have played CB in high School or anytime you play Superstar on Madden you must always create yourself to be a CB.

lol I strictly played baseball and basketball. And I only do Franchise Mode on Madden..... Superstar sucks.

But If I am sleeping on Owens them I am sorry, but I see him as nothing more than a NB.

It doesn't concern you that he has yet to see the field.... even in Dime packages. The coaches just don't have much confidence in him obviously.

If the staff believed in him, he would be getting a Tad bit more experience so that it could prepare him for what is to come. He may develop into more, but With Hill about to get into the rotation, it seems more unlikely that we will see Owens at all.

I know you like Mccourty, but he is another long shot CB. You LOVE late round picks. I bet you are zoned in the draft during the 7th round.

[Jaymadd]

lol I strictly played baseball and basketball. And I only do Franchise Mode on Madden..... Superstar sucks.

But If I am sleeping on Owens them I am sorry, but I see him as nothing more than a NB.

It doesn't concern you that he has yet to see the field.... even in Dime packages. The coaches just don't have much confidence in him obviously.

If the staff believed in him, he would be getting a Tad bit more experience so that it could prepare him for what is to come. He may develop into more, but With Hill about to get into the rotation, it seems more unlikely that we will see Owens at all.

I know you like Mccourty, but he is another long shot CB. You LOVE late round picks. I bet you are zoned in the draft during the 7th round.

Yeah you are sleeping on Owens. I have a question, besides in Miami i dont see alot of the CB picks starting this year, what about you . Owens is a Rookie and right now, i can understand why he is not starting he is still learing, but he has the skills to be successful in the league, he is already our best CB against the run, you see his speed when he making tackles on special teams, we know he has hands from his stats in college. He just needs to learn the scheme, that is all my friend. Decoud didnt play a down at Safety last year and we need safety help especially in coverage from SS, but he did his thing on special teams and now look at him. McCourty might even sneak up in the draft when he shines at the Senior Bowl practices and games. I actually did watch all 7 rounds of the draft, and i like the value that you can get out of the late rounds, so you were right my friend, and now that i have found Espn360 i am in Draft Heaven.

I do agree that we might see on semi-major FA singing and if will probably be at Corner if anything, but i dont expect a blockbuster FA signing from TD.

[804_Falconfan]

Whats going on with Chevis??? How he and Owens pan out may determine what we do at corner in the future.

[Jaymadd]

Whats going on with Chevis??? How he and Owens pan out may determine what we do at corner in the future.

I dont know what is going on with Chevis but i think that he is going to be the NB back at some point maybe next year, but i dont see him starting due to his speed.

[hakim24]

Yeah you are sleeping on Owens. I have a question, besides in Miami i dont see alot of the CB picks starting this year, what about you . Owens is a Rookie and right now, i can understand why he is not starting he is still learing, but he has the skills to be successful in the league, he is already our best CB against the run, you see his speed when he making tackles on special teams, we know he has hands from his stats in college. He just needs to learn the scheme, that is all my friend. Decoud didnt play a down at Safety last year and we need safety help especially in coverage from SS, but he did his thing on special teams and now look at him. McCourty might even sneak up in the draft when he shines at the Senior Bowl practices and games. I actually did watch all 7 rounds of the draft, and i like the value that you can get out of the late rounds, so you were right my friend, and now that i have found Espn360 i am in Draft Heaven.

I do agree that we might see on semi-major FA singing and if will probably be at Corner if anything, but i dont expect a blockbuster FA signing from TD.

There are not a lot of CBs starting, but a bunch of them are either the NB or Dime Back. Owens hasn't even seen a snap on a regular defensive set yet.

DeCoud did play a little last year..... very sparingly, but he got some action. He didn't fit the mold of a SS, so it was no reason to put him there.

We didn't go out and sign two new Safeties like we did at CB who will probably get a bunch of the PT.

Just the fact the DeCoud was the primary backup was enough to make me believe that he was making some strides. He even almost made his 1st start against the Saints. We didn't panic and go get a new Safety last year....We panicked and got TWO new CBs who should both get significant playing time.

The ONLY logical way that we can get a good CB is if we give up EARLY draft picks. Because of the uncapped year players with less than 6 years experience can only be RFAs.

IF we get a good CB, its a 99.9% chance that we would have to give up our 1st rounder.... pretty much eliminating the idea of getting a good LDE.

[Jaymadd]

There are not a lot of CBs starting, but a bunch of them are either the NB or Dime Back. Owens hasn't even seen a snap on a regular defensive set yet.

DeCoud did play a little last year..... very sparingly, but he got some action. He didn't fit the mold of a SS, so it was no reason to put him there.

We didn't go out and sign two new Safeties like we did at CB who will probably get a bunch of the PT.

Just the fact the DeCoud was the primary backup was enough to make me believe that he was making some strides. He even almost made his 1st start against the Saints. We didn't panic and go get a new Safety last year....We panicked and got TWO new CBs who should both get significant playing time.

The ONLY logical way that we can get a good CB is if we give up EARLY draft picks. Because of the uncapped year players with less than 6 years experience can only be RFAs.

IF we get a good CB, its a 99.9% chance that we would have to give up our 1st rounder.... pretty much eliminating the idea of getting a good LDE.

Yeah again dont sleep on Owens, he has to learn the system, Houston and Grimes have not been playing that bad.

[WeDemBirds60]

I disagree completely that we have a small window to win a title. Tony Gonzalez has a small window to win a title, but the Falcons organization does not. John Abraham might have a tightening window to win a title, but the Falcons organization does not.

And if we are going to go sign an expensive LE why the **** did we let Kerney go? We could have had him here right now for 7 or 8 million a year which is probably what Kampman is going to ask for. We thought that was too much for a player over 30 (Kampman will be 30 next year and will be seeking a big contract, probably a 5 year deal for 40 million if not more) so I am just not buying that TD has done a complete 180 on giving big contracts to players who are a couple of years from declining. That was McKay's specialty and I really hope it never becomes Dimitroff's.

Signing a corner who can come in and at least solidify one of the starting spots is going to be infinitely more feasible than signing a defensive end who has a track record of producing a lot of pressure and sacks. Just because we might have a chance to sign him doesn't mean that we should.

Plus this draft is looking like a very strong one for the defensive line as a whole, for DT and DE, while with each passing week the corners at the top of this draft class become more unattractive (at least the top seniors do). So why not use free agency to shore up one of our needs and grab a couple of defensive lineman in the draft instead of a corner. The class is much deeper and more talented, so it just makes more sense to do it that way rather than paying big bucks for a DE 3 years away from a decline and then overdrafting a corner because the class is thin.

Is not that the Falcons window is closing because every year in the NFL any team could win the superbowl. I think we can win with the current roster this year. But if we can add a game changing playmaker D-line or DB rather it be FA, Trade or Draft our chances will be the NFC's top team easy right now i see us second behind only the Vikes. I agree with everything you said and i'm sure TD knows exactly what we need and will get the right players for the Job.

[ATLBrave]

I guess the coaching staff thinks Biermann isn't a LE either..................................

[NFL Draft Fan 07]

I guess the coaching staff thinks Biermann isn't a LE either..................................

I am confused by this statement sir. lol. I sense a heavy dose of sarcasm though. That's a heckuva lot of dots.

[blunttokinplaymaker]

Id say our needs are

Offense

OL (C, RG, RT)

TE

Defense

DL (NT, RE)

OLB

#1 CB

Special Teams

Return Specialist

K

Overall I'd rank our needs

OL, DL/LB, #1 CB, RS, TE, K

1st ol/dl/lb/cb/te

3rd ol/dl/lb/te

4th ol/dl/lb/te

5th ol/dl/lb/te

6th rs/k

7th rs/k

[ATLBrave]

I am confused by this statement sir. lol. I sense a heavy dose of sarcasm though. That's a heckuva lot of dots.

It's a response to people saying he can't play LDE. Biermann played mostly at LDE against SF and played pretty **** well.

[Jaymadd]

It's a response to people saying he can't play LDE. Biermann played mostly at LDE against SF and played pretty **** well.

He can play it but he would fare better as a Fulltime RDE, as opposed to a LDE, which is the position that he is going to be playing over the long term. He is Abe replacement.

[NFL Draft Fan 07]

It's a response to people saying he can't play LDE. Biermann played mostly at LDE against SF and played pretty **** well.

I figured that is what you were saying, just thought I'd clarify instead of jumping to conclusions I guess.

I didn't see the whole game since I was driving back home, but I thought he played pretty well too. I don't know if he is an every down LE but I do think he will be a good rotational player. If he continues to play well against the run and the pass (we all know he can rush the passer, his motor and quickness is fantastic) then maybe he will earn the starting spot.

Like we all wanted out of JA98 we just want consistency. If Bierman can hold up versus the run on a consistent basis then he will get the job. I am just skeptical about that I guess. As a rotational player though, he is a perfect fit. Every team needs role players like Bierman and I think he will be a good one for us. But with another good LE like Griffen or Pierre-Paul I think our defensive line would be much improved, and Bierman might play even better.

[Slimm]

Id say our needs are

Offense

OL (C, RG, RT)

TE

Defense

DL (NT, RE)

OLB

#1 CB

Special Teams

Return Specialist

K

Overall I'd rank our needs

OL, DL/LB, #1 CB, RS, TE, K

1st ol/dl/lb/cb/te

3rd ol/dl/lb/te

4th ol/dl/lb/te

5th ol/dl/lb/te

6th rs/k

7th rs/k

First off i think we are fine on the oline...if we are gonna draft anything on the oline it wil probably be a center because mcclure is getting old

second: oline is not our biggest need

3rd we are fine at return specialist...douglas will be back next year and i think that we have someone special with weems

4th my rankings on needs....

1)corner 2)Linebacker 3)Center 4)TE 5)DLine 6)kicker

[dsgbncali]

I think a replacement for TG is the top priority another young TE would be good. I would also like to see us get a center. Mcclure is getting a little long in the tooth. Its about time to start grooming his replecement as well. I would like to us draft a big corner. I'm talking a 6fter. I do believe we have good corners but I think the Wr's today are growing today and the CB's are just stuck in that 5'8 to 5'10 range. And that just is not going to get it done. I would like for us to maybe look at addressing the FB. I know the Drill is still got some tread on the tires but I would like to see us have pass catching/blocking FB as well as some we can use in goalline situations. Also I would like too see a DT drafted. In fact I think a DT should be our first pick.

TE

CB

FB

DT

[Abe]

An absolute space eating DT and outside linebacker are what I believe should be our priority.

[ATLBrave]

He can play it but he would fare better as a Fulltime RDE, as opposed to a LDE, which is the position that he is going to be playing over the long term. He is Abe replacement.

I wouldn't even come close to saying he is Abe's replacement. The way the coaching staff is working Sidbury into the DE rotation (at RE), he could very well be Abraham's replacement. Sid is almost a mirror image of Abe, but less refined.

[Jaymadd]

I wouldn't even come close to saying he is Abe's replacement. The way the coaching staff is working Sidbury into the DE rotation (at RE), he could very well be Abraham's replacement. Sid is almost a mirror image of Abe, but less refined.

Yeah i think that Beirmann is much closer to being ABe's replacement that is why is gets most of the snaps in pass rushing situations. Either way we have to find a way to get Beirmann on the field, he even lined up at DT on some passing plays.