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Looking at our roster the following needs come to mind

#2 qb- it seems were going with Redman as the 2nd qb

#3 rb- snelling appears to be this guy, we should get Mughelli to start carrying as well

#2 te- we need a 2nd receiving te to learn from and compliment Tony and open up 2 TE sets

#3/4wr- hopefully Douglas comes back from his injury but getting a young guy with speed here who could return kicks and punts would be nice

ol- we could use a new centre and possibly rg and rt and we have littl to no depth at the moment

de- we could use a pass rusher but not a small project like biermann or sidbury but one proven and with size and possibly the ability to slide into dt

dt- hopefully jerry comes back from injury but we could definatly use a space eating nt or atleast a talentd dt to contribute and compete to be #3

olb-need someone to learn from and take over petersons positons, and theres no depth at lb. getting someone like orakpo for washington would be good, can play linebacker can play pass rush de like suggs in baltimore.

#1cb-weve got houston hill jackson owens williams and grimes if were gonna draft someone they gotta be a #1 type with the size speed coverage and play making ability of a # 1

rs- we need a return speciliast so norwood doesnt get concussed someone with speed and moves who can return kicks and punts

k- we should consider drafting the long term answer at kicker

If all the talent magically fell into my lap in the draft id prob go

1. CB

3. LB

4. DL

5. OL

6. RS

I could also go

1. OL

3. DL

4. LB

5. RS

6. K

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I think LDE is a HUGE need, I think #2 RB might become a need depending on whether or not we re-sign Norwood obviously. C, RG and RT could be upgraded, but I think C is the most pressing need given McClure's age. I think Redman is fine at backup QB, and Wilson actually showed a much better arm than I thought he had in pre-season.

I think we could use a NT that stands up to double teams better. I like Jerry (when healthy) but he never stood up to doubles well. I know we like penetrating guys shooting their gaps, but on the goal line you can't just shoot the gaps, and we could use a guy that handles doubles well, can control his gap and collapse the pocket. We don't have a guy like that right now, and that is why I think we struggle versus the run. We can shoot the gaps, but that is good for a tackle for loss occasionally, not for a stable run defense that can force a team to become one dimensional.

I agree that we need a developmental WLB to back up Peterson for a year and then step in as the starter. I also agree that we need a #1 CB, and I think the only way we will find that is via free agency. I wouldn't be against drafting a guy in the 4th round or so if we thought he might develop into a good nickel CB. We only have 1 or maybe 2 guys that can play man and zone (Owens and Williams, and only Williams is playing thus far) so if we found a guy in the middle rounds that could provide both (Devin McCourtney, Jaymadd's favorite corner, is one guy that comes to mind). But if we are going to get a #1 corner immediately and not wait for one of our guys or a draftee to develop into one... we are going to need to sign one in free agency.

I personally think that LDE might be as big a need as we have on defense. I think it will be extremely difficult to secure one in free agency and this DE class should be pretty good (even though there will be very few every down LDE prospects that can rush the passer effectively). Everson Griffen is my favorite prospect for this. I'm not sure where he will go, but Carlos Dunlap and Derrick Morgan are two guys that I think will go ahead of him. If we are picking in the 16-20 range (where I think we will be picking since I predicted we would go 9-7) I think we will have a good chance at getting him since I doubt more than 2 DE's will go in the top 10. Depending on how the rest of his season goes and if he continues to rush the passer very well and continues to play well versus the run (he has the strength and ability to do it and he has been doing it more consistently) I would even be willing to trade up to get him. He is so fast off the ball (and he is a 6'3", 275+ pound beast) that I think as he continues to develop he will become a dominant pass rusher. I've watched him specifically in 2 games now and I saw another live and I have to say I like what I saw. Do I think he is a top 10 guy? No. But he has that potential and he is beginning to reach it.

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1. CB: either in FA or Draft. We need to get better at the position to allow us to blitz more. A team can create Pass Rush through the blitz if the front four isn't getting it done.

2. DE: I REALLY want JA98 to work out, but I don't see it happening. I really like Greg Hardy, Derrick Morgan, Brandon Graham, and Jerry Hughes.

3. OT: We need a new RT. One could be had in the 3rd.

4. C: McClure is on his last leg and I believe he will be gone next year. I think Rhomberg could hold the spot for a year as we develop a young C.

5. OLB: We need a playmaking OLB to groom under Peterson. I REALLY like Sean Weatherspoon, but I wouldn't want to spend a 1st on a guy who wouldn't see much playing time. I think he will fall, but we might have to trade up to get him.

I think we will be a bit more active in FA..... getting at least a good CB or DE out of it.

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I think LDE is a HUGE need, I think #2 RB might become a need depending on whether or not we re-sign Norwood obviously. C, RG and RT could be upgraded, but I think C is the most pressing need given McClure's age. I think Redman is fine at backup QB, and Wilson actually showed a much better arm than I thought he had in pre-season.

I think we could use a NT that stands up to double teams better. I like Jerry (when healthy) but he never stood up to doubles well. I know we like penetrating guys shooting their gaps, but on the goal line you can't just shoot the gaps, and we could use a guy that handles doubles well, can control his gap and collapse the pocket. We don't have a guy like that right now, and that is why I think we struggle versus the run. We can shoot the gaps, but that is good for a tackle for loss occasionally, not for a stable run defense that can force a team to become one dimensional.

I agree that we need a developmental WLB to back up Peterson for a year and then step in as the starter. I also agree that we need a #1 CB, and I think the only way we will find that is via free agency. I wouldn't be against drafting a guy in the 4th round or so if we thought he might develop into a good nickel CB. We only have 1 or maybe 2 guys that can play man and zone (Owens and Williams, and only Williams is playing thus far) so if we found a guy in the middle rounds that could provide both (Devin McCourtney, Jaymadd's favorite corner, is one guy that comes to mind). But if we are going to get a #1 corner immediately and not wait for one of our guys or a draftee to develop into one... we are going to need to sign one in free agency.

I personally think that LDE might be as big a need as we have on defense. I think it will be extremely difficult to secure one in free agency and this DE class should be pretty good (even though there will be very few every down LDE prospects that can rush the passer effectively). Everson Griffen is my favorite prospect for this. I'm not sure where he will go, but Carlos Dunlap and Derrick Morgan are two guys that I think will go ahead of him. If we are picking in the 16-20 range (where I think we will be picking since I predicted we would go 9-7) I think we will have a good chance at getting him since I doubt more than 2 DE's will go in the top 10. Depending on how the rest of his season goes and if he continues to rush the passer very well and continues to play well versus the run (he has the strength and ability to do it and he has been doing it more consistently) I would even be willing to trade up to get him. He is so fast off the ball (and he is a 6'3", 275+ pound beast) that I think as he continues to develop he will become a dominant pass rusher. I've watched him specifically in 2 games now and I saw another live and I have to say I like what I saw. Do I think he is a top 10 guy? No. But he has that potential and he is beginning to reach it.

You pretty much said everything I wanted to say. I'd rather get Hardy (hate that they use him as "bait" very frequent at Ole Miss at the moment ... him lining up on one side to eat all double teams with the 3 other lineman on the other side of the Center) than Morgan (I'd be fine with Dunlap and Griffen ... not sure who'd be my #2 Griffen or Hardy), but we're on the same page when it comes to "Needs" and how to fill them. (#1 CB is only possible through FA, LDE might be possible via Draft, ...)

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In my opinion, our biggest need on the team is at RT. While I love what Clabo brings to the table in terms of aggressiveness and toughness, we've got to face the fact that he's not even close to being an answer at this position. A big part of our ineffectiveness in the run game early on this season is the lack of push from the O-line, and Clabo is a part of that. I was almost hoping that Oher would have fallen to us this year (I heard rumblings that we would have taken him if that did in fact happen) so we could put him in the RT spot for years to come. After RT, I'd say OLB (one to replace Peterson when he leaves), then probably CB.

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Our Biggest Need is a LDE plain and simple. I also think that we need to get a DT. I am just putting it out there, but i still have ? marks about Babs. I know that i am going against the grain on this one, but i think that the UT position can be upgraded, especially if we can get another DT like Jerry. I would love for us to get Brian Price the DT from UCLA if he declares, he is a JR. I also would like for us to get a Return Specialist. I dont think that it is necessary for us to get a LB, the team is very high on Adkins, he has the speed 4.3 forty, and has good size 250lbs. What LB out of the draft compares to those measureables, that will be available in the later rounds.

Our Biggest Needs Are:

LDE

DT

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At the end of the day, when it comes to LE, I think Beirmann is our best bet. I don't forsee Hardy lasting till our pick, and he's the only real attractive LDE with a 1st round grade (at this moment). I think Kroy could turn into a very productive Kerney-type DE for us, with the ability to be an every down End.

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At the end of the day, when it comes to LE, I think Beirmann is our best bet. I don't forsee Hardy lasting till our pick, and he's the only real attractive LDE with a 1st round grade (at this moment). I think Kroy could turn into a very productive Kerney-type DE for us, with the ability to be an every down End.

I really don't think Bierman is our best bet for an every down LDE. He is strictly situational to me, he would just get manhandled against bigger, more technically sound RT's that we would face. Teams would run it right at him all day.

Hardy is an interesting guy. He has some really weird character/attitude quirks that have arguably kept him from reaching his full potential. I really doubt that we will go after him just because it will be hard to assume what to expect from him. We like more reliable guys (Matt Ryan, Sam Baker, Peria Jerry are all reliable guys I would say) not athletic freaks that are usually off in their own little worlds. That definitely applies to Hardy, and as good as he might end up being if he applies himself there is really no telling if he will actually apply himself. For that reason I think that if Dunlap and Morgan declare (I would be pretty surprised if they didn't) they will both get drafted ahead of him. It is tough to say if Everson Griffen will declare or not because USC has a pretty strong history of potential 1st round picks staying to play their senior seasons with Sanchez obviously being a rare exception (and we all saw how gracefully Pete Carroll handled that). If he did declare though I think he has a chance to get drafted before Hardy also, but that obviously remains to be seen.

I guess we just don't see eye to eye on Bierman, but I like what I have seen from Griffen. He is a quality LDE prospect with great potential as a pass rusher. I am becoming more and more convinced that he is the guy we need at that position so I hope he comes out.

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I really don't think Bierman is our best bet for an every down LDE. He is strictly situational to me, he would just get manhandled against bigger, more technically sound RT's that we would face. Teams would run it right at him all day.

Hardy is an interesting guy. He has some really weird character/attitude quirks that have arguably kept him from reaching his full potential. I really doubt that we will go after him just because it will be hard to assume what to expect from him. We like more reliable guys (Matt Ryan, Sam Baker, Peria Jerry are all reliable guys I would say) not athletic freaks that are usually off in their own little worlds. That definitely applies to Hardy, and as good as he might end up being if he applies himself there is really no telling if he will actually apply himself. For that reason I think that if Dunlap and Morgan declare (I would be pretty surprised if they didn't) they will both get drafted ahead of him. It is tough to say if Everson Griffen will declare or not because USC has a pretty strong history of potential 1st round picks staying to play their senior seasons with Sanchez obviously being a rare exception (and we all saw how gracefully Pete Carroll handled that). If he did declare though I think he has a chance to get drafted before Hardy also, but that obviously remains to be seen.

I guess we just don't see eye to eye on Bierman, but I like what I have seen from Griffen. He is a quality LDE prospect with great potential as a pass rusher. I am becoming more and more convinced that he is the guy we need at that position so I hope he comes out.

Welcome back. I was hoping you wouldn't stay away for too long.

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I really don't think Bierman is our best bet for an every down LDE. He is strictly situational to me, he would just get manhandled against bigger, more technically sound RT's that we would face. Teams would run it right at him all day.

Hardy is an interesting guy. He has some really weird character/attitude quirks that have arguably kept him from reaching his full potential. I really doubt that we will go after him just because it will be hard to assume what to expect from him. We like more reliable guys (Matt Ryan, Sam Baker, Peria Jerry are all reliable guys I would say) not athletic freaks that are usually off in their own little worlds. That definitely applies to Hardy, and as good as he might end up being if he applies himself there is really no telling if he will actually apply himself. For that reason I think that if Dunlap and Morgan declare (I would be pretty surprised if they didn't) they will both get drafted ahead of him. It is tough to say if Everson Griffen will declare or not because USC has a pretty strong history of potential 1st round picks staying to play their senior seasons with Sanchez obviously being a rare exception (and we all saw how gracefully Pete Carroll handled that). If he did declare though I think he has a chance to get drafted before Hardy also, but that obviously remains to be seen.

I guess we just don't see eye to eye on Bierman, but I like what I have seen from Griffen. He is a quality LDE prospect with great potential as a pass rusher. I am becoming more and more convinced that he is the guy we need at that position so I hope he comes out.

If this was last year, then I'd wholeheartedly agree with you on Biermann, but after seeing the strides he took from last season to this one were...amazing to say the least. He put on twenty pounds of pure muscle this offseason, and is quite noticeably stronger, while not losing a bit of speed. Dude has been great so far this year, and manhandled Vernon Carey (guy is a good RT) in the season opener. Granted he hasn't exploded like he did in that game, but at this point in time, he deserves to start for us at the LDE position, with Anderson being his primary backup. As for Hardy, someone is going to go high on him just based on potential alone (ie. Jamaal Anderson).

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If this was last year, then I'd wholeheartedly agree with you on Biermann, but after seeing the strides he took from last season to this one were...amazing to say the least. He put on twenty pounds of pure muscle this offseason, and is quite noticeably stronger, while not losing a bit of speed. Dude has been great so far this year, and manhandled Vernon Carey (guy is a good RT) in the season opener. Granted he hasn't exploded like he did in that game, but at this point in time, he deserves to start for us at the LDE position, with Anderson being his primary backup. As for Hardy, someone is going to go high on him just based on potential alone (ie. Jamaal Anderson).

Sorry dude but Beirmann is not a LDE and i dont think he can put on anymore weight and still maintain the quickness off the edge. He is a RDE, based on the fact that he kind of struggles against the Run moreso at LDE than RDe.

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I really don't think Bierman is our best bet for an every down LDE. He is strictly situational to me, he would just get manhandled against bigger, more technically sound RT's that we would face. Teams would run it right at him all day.

Hardy is an interesting guy. He has some really weird character/attitude quirks that have arguably kept him from reaching his full potential. I really doubt that we will go after him just because it will be hard to assume what to expect from him. We like more reliable guys (Matt Ryan, Sam Baker, Peria Jerry are all reliable guys I would say) not athletic freaks that are usually off in their own little worlds. That definitely applies to Hardy, and as good as he might end up being if he applies himself there is really no telling if he will actually apply himself. For that reason I think that if Dunlap and Morgan declare (I would be pretty surprised if they didn't) they will both get drafted ahead of him. It is tough to say if Everson Griffen will declare or not because USC has a pretty strong history of potential 1st round picks staying to play their senior seasons with Sanchez obviously being a rare exception (and we all saw how gracefully Pete Carroll handled that). If he did declare though I think he has a chance to get drafted before Hardy also, but that obviously remains to be seen.

I guess we just don't see eye to eye on Bierman, but I like what I have seen from Griffen. He is a quality LDE prospect with great potential as a pass rusher. I am becoming more and more convinced that he is the guy we need at that position so I hope he comes out.

I really have to disagree there (even if I don't like it, because you're usually right), but based on technique Hardy is way better than Dunlap (who fits the athletic freak mold) or Morgan. Hardy's problem are character issues and that the car accident wasn't good for the injury he suffered last season ... so he might get the "injury prone"-tag.

I can't really see why so many people like Morgan ... been watching him a little closer lately and except for the first game of the season, he hasn't been impressive. Especially against Miami he looked terrible, he was more off the field fighting for breath than on the field ... and when he was on the field Matt Pipho (most likely a UDFA) manhandled him.

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I really have to disagree there (even if I don't like it, because you're usually right), but based on technique Hardy is way better than Dunlap (who fits the athletic freak mold) or Morgan. Hardy's problem are character issues and that the car accident wasn't good for the injury he suffered last season ... so he might get the "injury prone"-tag.

I can't really see why so many people like Morgan ... been watching him a little closer lately and except for the first game of the season, he hasn't been impressive.

I can see why people are high on Morgan he plays the Run and Pass well he is good speed off the edges and has good size to play either LDE or RDE. He is an unbelieveable prospect.

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If we take a DE I would want either Everson Griffen or Brandon Graham

I pass on Brandon Graham he will be like the other DE that we have on our Roster. I really want us to get either Morgan or Griffen, but my favorite Prospect is Griffen, I just hope he declares.

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I pass on Brandon Graham he will be like the other DE that we have on our Roster. I really want us to get either Morgan or Griffen, but my favorite Prospect is Griffen, I just hope he declares.

Morgan hasn't really impressed me when I watched him play besides in that first game vs. South Carolina. But Griffen would definitely be my choice too.

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We need some veteran help on the D-Line IMO.

No rookie is going to come in right away and help our Defense. We need to put out some money and go get a veteran who can make an impact early on.

I am not sold on Griffin yet. He doesn't have much experience and I wouldn't take the risk.

Hardy has character issues, but he would be the best DE in the draft imo.

Morgan is an extremely talented player too, but NOBODY is going to come in and rack up 7+ sacks like a good veteran who knows the game could.

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We need some veteran help on the D-Line IMO.

No rookie is going to come in right away and help our Defense. We need to put out some money and go get a veteran who can make an impact early on.

I am not sold on Griffin yet. He doesn't have much experience and I wouldn't take the risk.

Hardy has character issues, but he would be the best DE in the draft imo.

Morgan is an extremely talented player too, but NOBODY is going to come in and rack up 7+ sacks like a good veteran who knows the game could.

WE got Veteran help with Abe, Babs, Davis, Beirmann, especially with Abe, we dont need veteran help my friend, beside getting a potential Stud DE in the late first or early 2nd is definitely worth it as opposed to spending cap money on a Veteran DE, would rather spend it on a CB or a OLineman.

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I really have to disagree there (even if I don't like it, because you're usually right), but based on technique Hardy is way better than Dunlap (who fits the athletic freak mold) or Morgan. Hardy's problem are character issues and that the car accident wasn't good for the injury he suffered last season ... so he might get the "injury prone"-tag.

I can't really see why so many people like Morgan ... been watching him a little closer lately and except for the first game of the season, he hasn't been impressive. Especially against Miami he looked terrible, he was more off the field fighting for breath than on the field ... and when he was on the field Matt Pipho (most likely a UDFA) manhandled him.

I see what you mean and I agree Hardy is very technically sound, good hand usage, very quick off the snap. What I meant by athletic freak off in his own little world that he has a great blend of size, speed and athleticism meaning he's quite an athlete. What I meant by off in his own little world is that he's kind of a weird guy, sometimes hard to motivate and coach, etc. I agree that his character/attitude and injuries are the question marks on him, not his technique or athletic ability.

And I thought Morgan was going to have a monster year, but I want to see how Jason Fox handled him in the GT-Miami game. He has the athletic ability but doesn't seem to have the consistency so much. Obviously there is more of the season to go so we will get to see.

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I see what you mean and I agree Hardy is very technically sound, good hand usage, very quick off the snap. What I meant by athletic freak off in his own little world that he has a great blend of size, speed and athleticism meaning he's quite an athlete. What I meant by off in his own little world is that he's kind of a weird guy, sometimes hard to motivate and coach, etc. I agree that his character/attitude and injuries are the question marks on him, not his technique or athletic ability.

And I thought Morgan was going to have a monster year, but I want to see how Jason Fox handled him in the GT-Miami game. He has the athletic ability but doesn't seem to have the consistency so much. Obviously there is more of the season to go so we will get to see.

I think that the biggest factor for Hardy is the nagging injuries, but he might be available when we pick, but you a team might take him because of his measureables, but those character issues concern me.

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WE got Veteran help with Abe, Babs, Davis, Beirmann, especially with Abe, we dont need veteran help my friend, beside getting a potential Stud DE in the late first or early 2nd is definitely worth it as opposed to spending cap money on a Veteran DE, would rather spend it on a CB or a OLineman.

I don't consider Biermann, Davis, and Babineaux as guys who have consistently had success in the NFL. Biermann and Babineaux are improving, but they are not big time players.

I want a PROVEN DE who we KNOW can come in and improve our Pass Rush. Davis and Biermann are still average-Below average DEs. Bringing in a player like Aaron Kampman would be a HUGE upgrade over any player that we have.

since he doesn't really fit the Packers 3-4, it is a good chance that he hits the market.

We can't count on Rookie D-Lineman to make an impact early.

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I don't consider Biermann, Davis, and Babineaux as guys who have consistently had success in the NFL. Biermann and Babineaux are improving, but they are not big time players.

I want a PROVEN DE who we KNOW can come in and improve our Pass Rush. Davis and Biermann are still average-Below average DEs. Bringing in a player like Aaron Kampman would be a HUGE upgrade over any player that we have.

since he doesn't really fit the Packers 3-4, it is a good chance that he hits the market.

We can't count on Rookie D-Lineman to make an impact early.

Dude do you know how expensive it is going to be to bring in a FA DE, you might as well let that thought fly out the window. YOu keep talking about cant count on a Rookie Dline to make an impact, but you neglect to mention that the chances of a Rookie CB, especially if we draft in the later rounds, which i believe we will, having an impact early, and Hakim there are no pure superstar studs at CB this draft, like it was 2 years ago, when Rodgers Cromatie came out. You living in a the hype Hakim LOL J/K dude, but 4 real.

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Hakim a agree with you completely i fill like Abe only has about three good years left and he is a key part of our defense. I know ever one is stuck with this "process" but i see it as we have a small window at winning a superbowl in the next couple of years. we have a young talented offense thats mostly under contract and were a our special teams unit is great and were a really good Dlineman and DB away from being an elite team like Steelers, Colts and Pats... Maybe Sidbury, Biermann, JA98, or Davis can step up and become that guy but we gotta strike while the iron is hot.

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