ESPN Chat: Pat Yasinskas, October 2

[Jaymadd]

Chauncey may get a shot at starting but he certainly hasn't earned it. I am irritated that he asked to compete for the starting role during contract negotiation then he phoned it in all during the preseason. I was excited when I read that I thought that meant he had fire in his belly and he was ready to take it to the next level. Turns out he and JA seem to be cut from the same cloth.

What do you mean he'd be a better rotational player? That is exactly what JA is.

I agree i thought the same thing like DAvis was going to blow it up 4 real. But I guess it means that we need an Everydown DE because at this point we really dont have one Everydown DE and that includes Abe too.

[Finally]

I think everyone is wasting their negative votes on Gazoo. He is too narcissistic to ever believe that the problem is him. He is incapable of accepting that he has and continues to make mistakes in his dealing with other people.

First he is mad because a few people were hating on JA now he is mad because there is not more hatred for the rest of the dl.

Save your votes for people who are capable of learning.

[the evil emperor]

Pat could be right............ JA98 is not showing me enough this year to think he's going to break out at some point.

Of course, I hold them all to the same standards and haven't really been impressed with any of our DL the last couple of games, and using the same criteria to rate them there may be more than JA98 whos job could be in trouble.

As was mentioned before, JA98 had arguably the best game of any of the DL in thePats game, yet 15 threads were started about his bad play and it was like pulling teeth trying to get some to just admit the other DL have not been playing well this year.

I've stated thousands of times over the last year that I am waiting to see him lay in several games this yea before I draw any hard conclusions on his NFL fture, but at this point, after 3 games, he hasn;t impressed me or shown me anything to think he's about to break out.

I would think the regression/disappearing act of Chauncy Davis this year who has a similar cap hit, would be discussed a little more, or the mediocre play of Babineaux this year after singing a fat extensin, or the wholesale ownership opposing LTs and RTs have had on both JA55 and Beirmann the last two games would be discussed......but then again, I use the same standards to judge them which gives me a broader perspective than the JA98 haters who are obsessed with him and give the other DL a free pass. The last 2 games, JA98 had 5 QB hurries and played the run well..I need WAY MORE THAN THAT FROM HIM, but he's still been playing better than some around him lately.

The entire DL rotation has let me down the last 2 games, but you guys keep singling out JA98, because that's what you do.

I agree as well. Time after time JA98 had big plays in shutting down the run.

As far as our poor play from the DL, I believe it was due to the lopsided Time of Possession.

Pats had like a 2 to 1 edge in TOP and I think our guys were exhausted. Pats had the ball for almost 40 minutes.

[gazoo]

I agree as well. Time after time JA98 had big plays in shutting down the run.

As far as our poor play from the DL, I believe it was due to the lopsided Time of Possession.

Pats had like a 2 to 1 edge in TOP and I think our guys were exhausted. Pats had the ball for almost 40 minutes.

It's a valid point that the TOP influenced the DL play as the game went on. I would point out that at Carolina they were able to run early on us, butit seems to me that the LTs and RTs that Abraham and Beirmann have faced have been able to take them completely out of the game for two weeks now and that bothers me. JA98 provided no pass rush n NE, but did have 5 QB hurries in Carolina which may not mean anything to some around here but it means a lot to me and we ended up winning that game)

I'm tiring of the blatant double standards around here. I have no problem saying JA98 has not demonstrated anything special to me this year, that he is still disappointing, yet these posts keep showing up bashing him and ignoring the poor play of all the other DL the last 2 weeks. I do feel JA98 had the best game of any DL in NE, but his play was still was only servicable. The others play level were under that, yet free passes are handed out to them all, no threads about C Davis, Babineuax, Beirmann.....not a word about the disappearance of JA55 te last tow games.

[slamee101]

The only thing that makes me say give it a couple more games is that he went against 2 good O-lines and nobody from our squad really had any success in those two.

If we get to midseason though and he's not making an impact in passing situations though he's done.

[theProf]

Pat could be right............ JA98 is not showing me enough this year to think he's going to break out at some point.

Of course, I hold them all to the same standards and haven't really been impressed with any of our DL the last couple of games, and using the same criteria to rate them there may be more than JA98 whos job could be in trouble.

As was mentioned before, JA98 had arguably the best game of any of the DL in the Pats game, yet 15 threads were started about his bad play and it was like pulling teeth trying to get some to just admit the other DL have not been playing well the last 2 games.

I've stated thousands of times over the last year that I am waiting to see him play in several games this yea before I draw any hard conclusions on his NFL fture, but at this point, after 3 games, he hasn;t impressed me or shown me anything to think he's about to break out.

I would think the regression/disappearing act of Chauncy Davis this year who has a similar cap hit, would be discussed a little more, or the mediocre play of Babineaux this year after singing a fat extensin, or the wholesale ownership opposing LTs and RTs have had on both JA55 and Beirmann the last two games would be discussed......but then again, I use the same standards to judge them which gives me a broader perspective than the JA98 haters who are obsessed with him and give the other DL a free pass. The last 2 games, JA98 had 5 QB hurries and played the run well..I need WAY MORE THAN THAT FROM HIM, but he's still been playing better than some around him lately.

The entire DL rotation has let me down the last 2 games, but you guys keep singling out JA98, because that's what you do.

Since I started this particular topic thread, I would like to reiterate my earlier opinion on the play of the Falcons DL the last two games. My reply to you in an earlier topic thread as follows:

"Technically Trey Lewis has only played in one game; he was inactive for the first two games this season. Notwithstanding, I was rather disappointed in his play yesterday, as I thought that Lewis would make his presense known, but he didn't. I understand your point though: none of the Falcons Defensive Linemen have played well at all these past two games. What I don't understand is how the DL could look so good in game #1 against Miami, and then look so bad these last two games. But that's just football. It happens.

theProf"

Therefore, I am not one to keep "singling out JA98" exclusively. Yasinskas certainly appears knowledgeable about the goings on in the NFC South. I think it is because it is his full-time job to cover the NFC South, and he does his job quite well. Also he probably has very good connections within each NFC South team for additional info that normal fans do not have access to. It was Pat Yasinskas, not me, who opined that the end is probably near for Jammal. I thought it was particularly newsworthy, because to my knowledge, Yasinskas has not said anything like this about any other Falcons player, at least not lately.

[{=Mojo-Risin=}]

Keep squirming Gazoo. You aren't going to weasel out of your claims that JA98 was some good player that "trolls" couldn't see.

You aren't going to blame the rest of the defense and expect to not have to own up to your claims.

[theProf]

The only thing that makes me say give it a couple more games is that he went against 2 good O-lines and nobody from our squad really had any success in those two.

If we get to midseason though and he's not making an impact in passing situations though he's done.

The defensive line definitely had troubles during the last two games. I don't know the answers, but I think I would like to see Atlanta try something different along the DL. Perhaps on running downs try Lewis and Johnson at DTs, and Anderson and Davis at DEs. Then on passing downs try Abe, Biermann, Sidbury, and Babs. I don't recall seeing these suggested combinations of Defensive Linemen together before in any game thus far. I just think they need to try different combos of DL to try and find a combination that works well.

[gazoo]

Since I started this particular topic thread, I would like to reiterate my earlier opinion on the play of the Falcons DL the last two games. My reply to you in an earlier topic thread as follows:

"Technically Trey Lewis has only played in one game; he was inactive for the first two games this season. Notwithstanding, I was rather disappointed in his play yesterday, as I thought that Lewis would make his presense known, but he didn't. I understand your point though: none of the Falcons Defensive Linemen have played well at all these past two games. What I don't understand is how the DL could look so good in game #1 against Miami, and then look so bad these last two games. But that's just football. It happens.

theProf"

Therefore, I am not one to keep "singling out JA98" exclusively. Yasinskas certainly appears knowledgeable about the goings on in the NFC South. I think it is because it is his full-time job to cover the NFC South, and he does his job quite well. Also he probably has very good connections within each NFC South team for additional info that normal fans do not have access to. It was Pat Yasinskas, not me, who opined that the end is probably near for Jammal. I thought it was particularly newsworthy, because to my knowledge, Yasinskas has not said anything like this about any other Falcons player, at least not lately.

The Prof, you've been balanced on the topic of the DL and the "singling him out" comment as not about you. I saw that quoted comment of yours when you first posted it.

As far as what is going on.....One of the problems is scheming. The Panthers and Pats both max protected and/or kept help in for the 5 OL. The Pats had so many blocking TEs in on so many snaps it was ridiculous. 4 DL are going to have a hard time getting the the QB if there's constantly 6 offensive personell pass protecting and run blocking for them.

This is on the coaches the be able to counter by making halftime adjustments., We beat Carolina so that's not a problem, but at NE we lost the game in the second half.

If we are only rushing 4 DL, and the ofense has extra blockers in, it's going to be hard to get the the QB without mixing it up with some blitzes, zone blitzes and so forth.

We can expect to keep seeing this until we make an adjustment on our end. Ty Hill may give coaches a bit more of a comfort level to leave our CBs in man on some snaps and start blitzing more.

[hakim24]

The entire group has been disappointing in these last two games.

I don't like the fact that JA98 is always subject #1.

Davis, Biermann, and Sibury are not ready to be starters. Ja98 is better than all 3 at this point, so it is no reason to replace him imo.

I hate the fact that we gave Davis that contract and now he is non-existent. Him and Babineaux haven't shown up yet. They need to be taking the heat.

[gazoo]

The entire group has been disappointing in these last two games.

I don't like the fact that JA98 is always subject #1.

Davis, Biermann, and Sibury are not ready to be starters. Ja98 is better than all 3 at this point, so it is no reason to replace him imo.

I hate the fact that we gave Davis that contract and now he is non-existent. Him and Babineaux haven't shown up yet. They need to be taking the heat.

here is yet another poster who is applying the same standards to them all, which I can respect.

[kschreck]

LOL at the Saints fans. Poor guys, you know they'll be forced to come back to earth sooner or later.

[nolafan33]

I'm sorry, but anyone who thinks Turner isn't performing because he's facing stacked boxes is kidding themselves. I've gone back and watched the Falcons games, and Turners facing more 6 man box fronts than 8 man box fronts. For example, he faced 8 or more men in the box only around 3 times vs the Pats.

[AtlantaFalconPokerPro]

Pat posted some good answers this week.

for once! lol

[804Falcon]

he is at the end of the rope he has to get at least 8 sacks

by the end of the year or his career is over

i gave up on him last year 1 sack in 3 years? NUFF SAID

[duncja]

I don't feel the need to blast JA98 every day like some people, and definitely wouldn't think about defending him daily like some people. So this will have to do until Sunday at about 7:30 - 8:00 PM... but JA98 is HOT GARBAGE.

[FalconMama]

I don't know that I understand his infatuation with VanGorder. I am not sold yet.

I'm not sold on him either. While Van Gorder has done a okay job here I don't think he puts the players in the best situations to be effective. Let's face it, we won't have all pros at every position so why not change up the scheme to one that will better suit the players. His defensive scheme is tired and he should try to be a little more creative.

[BenB321]

Looks like even Gazoo has given up on the Jamaal/McKay/Willis fiasco. I agree with him about the rest of the defense in particuliar the defensive line. I have been very disappointed in the overall play and after seeing Coach Smith read the riot act to the D line on a couple of occasions this season and preseason I don't think he is happy with their play as well.

Chauncy Davis looks like he got his money and started coasting, Abe does not seem to be the same player he was in the last couple of years, Biermann still gets knocked off the line of scrimmage, Babs does not look very impressive and Johnson has been ineffective. Lewis and Sidbury have not played enough this year to give a good evaulation. Jamaal of course has been terrible posting 0 tackles, 0 sacks in the first two games.

As a Falcon fan I am very disappointed with the defense this year. During the off season TD, Coach Smith and the entire Falcons mgt and coaching staff knew the defense had to improve. Up to this point it hasn't happened. Maybe we should have been more active in free agency in acquiring defensive players. Hopefully Coach Smith is using this bye to make some adjustments because we cannot win against good teams playing defense like we have the last two games.

[infidel]

Pat Yasinskas (2:33 PM)

I wouldn't call Mularkey a failure. He wanted out of Buffalo because it wasn't a good situation. He'll be a head coach again. Emmitt Thomas and Robiskie have been interim head coaches and know the territory. Brian Van Gorder will be a head coach before long. This might be the best staff in the league.

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/28564

I still don't understand all the Van Gorder love. Wasn't impressed with him two years ago on Pigtrino's staff. Then he quit, shortly after Petrino left with all the talk about wanting to be in the College game (where is heart was or some such). Now he's back and we've been mediocre at best.

Yes, I know we've got a lot of personnel holes, and that we really played better than we should have last year, but honestly, where does this idea that he's top level come from?

[kevykev21]

JA98 is not showing me enough this year to think he's going to break out at some point.

at this point, after 3 games, he hasn;t impressed me or shown me anything to think he's about to break out.

I agree with you 100%, gazzo.

[2ColdRyan]

look i believe more needs to be put on van gorder

good coaches adapt to their personnel getting the most out of what they have

if the dline is not going to generate any pass rush we will not get the favorable result at the end of the year we are looking for

van gorder has to make play calls to generate pressure dial something up

[muskokas finest ©]

Saints fans having a little trouble with the coaching ranking. Get over it girls

[Pacific_Falcon]

In all fairness:

Kroy Beerman - 6 tackles couple of pressures

Trey Lewis - 6 tackles

Anderson - 3 tackles and stupid idiotic penalty on 3rd down that gave the Patty Cakes chance to score a field goal

anderson is a dope, but that was a pretty ticky-tack call. He barely even touched Brady. If that was anybody other than Brady or Manning you probably don't see that flag.

[cnasty]

Alright, Im finally ready to say it, F**K JA98. Im done with him.

[RyanFalconMan]

How about this guy sticking up for the Falcons!