Comments After Re-Watching the Game

[whitekb011]

First, I was very dissapointed, especially after spending the money to go to the game in New England. After Watching the game, here are my observations.

Through the first 3 quarters, we actually played very well. I think we all can agree that:

1. We needed to score on our first possesion

2. Turner needed to hold on to the ball (That was a great defensive play, not much Turner could do about that hit)

3. Decoud needs to make that interception in the endzone

4. Pass interference call was questionable

5. Moss Catch on the side lines was questionable

6. The call on a Fumble on Ryan that smith challenged was absolutely stupid by the refs, that was unacceptable.

Having said all this, if you look at the tape, Lofton was a monster. Perterson overpursued and we did not maintain Gap control. Trey Lewis did good on some plays, not so good on others. Decoud provided good run support and coverage. Chris Houston played fairly well. The main problem was gap control, and when the 4th quarter came around, our D was tired.

Running Game, there seems to be two camps on the boards, those blaming the oline and other blaming Turner. If you watch the tape, Wilfork blew up McClure about 3 times. Other than that, I believe the OL did enough for turner to gain good yardage, problem is Turner keeps trying to cut back for the big gain, or pop it outside all the time. He needs to maintain front side through the hole, then make his move if he choses. He is not attacking the hole, this is a problem for him because he does not have the athletic ability of an Adrian Perterson or Norwood. He needs to stay front side more often to set up the cut back.

Defenseive Line, for two games straight, where is John Abraham, where is Beerman? We know JA98 is not going to light anyone up, but there were a couple of plays where he played very well against the run. I like this kid, but believe our best option and his best option is a trade to a 3-4 team for a draft pick or player that upgrades our DL. I belive we could possibly see Sidbury against San Fran in week 5. I have high hopes for him. I will also note that I think NE made most of their rushing yards running at our DE's.

Linebackers: Perterson was out of position a lot and shot the wrong gap, or overpursued. Lofton, was laying the wood and Nicholas was very physical as well. I like this unit, as I'm sure most on the boards will agree.

Secondary: Oddly, I believe Eric Coleman is a liability in pass coverage. He, not Decoud, had over the top support on Moss and if not for Brady over throwing, Moss would have two TD's where Coleman had top bracket coverage deep. This could be a correctable problem, and I only noticed this game, so there could be lots of reasons for this.

All in all, I believe we can correct the problems with execution. I have full faith in this coaching staff to make the necessary changes to put this team in best possible position to win games.

[juiceaccts]

Thanks +1

[RockPaperScissors]

Agreed- McClure was getting MANHANDLED.

[whitekb011]

Thanks +1

No Problem, like everyone else, I was really bent, but after watching, like Smith and Ryan always say. The tape is never as good or as bad as initially perceived. This one hurt, because I really wanted us to win, like everyone else.

[whitekb011]

Agreed- McClure was getting MANHANDLED.

All in all, I don't think McClure got manhandled all game, I think he got his fair share, but over the whole game, he played decent, but could improve. More disapointed with Dahl and Blaylock and Clabo. Baker was the best OL for the day.

[Guest Gritz]

Really good post....Good observations and from my memory of the game I didn't see anything that you wrote that was off target......

[Izo#2883]

First, I was very dissapointed, especially after spending the money to go to the game in New England. After Watching the game, here are my observations.

Through the first 3 quarters, we actually played very well. I think we all can agree that:

1. We needed to score on our first possesion

2. Turner needed to hold on to the ball (That was a great defensive play, not much Turner could do about that hit)

3. Decoud needs to make that interception in the endzone

4. Pass interference call was questionable

5. Moss Catch on the side lines was questionable

6. The call on a Fumble on Ryan that smith challenged was absolutely stupid by the refs, that was unacceptable.

Having said all this, if you look at the tape, Lofton was a monster. Perterson overpursued and we did not maintain Gap control. Trey Lewis did good on some plays, not so good on others. Decoud provided good run support and coverage. Chris Houston played fairly well. The main problem was gap control, and when the 4th quarter came around, our D was tired.

Running Game, there seems to be two camps on the boards, those blaming the oline and other blaming Turner. If you watch the tape, Wilfork blew up McClure about 3 times. Other than that, I believe the OL did enough for turner to gain good yardage, problem is Turner keeps trying to cut back for the big gain, or pop it outside all the time. He needs to maintain front side through the hole, then make his move if he choses. He is not attacking the hole, this is a problem for him because he does not have the athletic ability of an Adrian Perterson or Norwood. He needs to stay front side more often to set up the cut back.

Defenseive Line, for two games straight, where is John Abraham, where is Beerman? We know JA98 is not going to light anyone up, but there were a couple of plays where he played very well against the run. I like this kid, but believe our best option and his best option is a trade to a 3-4 team for a draft pick or player that upgrades our DL. I belive we could possibly see Sidbury against San Fran in week 5. I have high hopes for him. I will also note that I think NE made most of their rushing yards running at our DE's.

Linebackers: Perterson was out of position a lot and shot the wrong gap, or overpursued. Lofton, was laying the wood and Nicholas was very physical as well. I like this unit, as I'm sure most on the boards will agree.

Secondary: Oddly, I believe Eric Coleman is a liability in pass coverage. He, not Decoud, had over the top support on Moss and if not for Brady over throwing, Moss would have two TD's where Coleman had top bracket coverage deep. This could be a correctable problem, and I only noticed this game, so there could be lots of reasons for this.

All in all, I believe we can correct the problems with execution. I have full faith in this coaching staff to make the necessary changes to put this team in best possible position to win games.

I overall agree but especially with the bolded parts. I also noticed that NE were stacking 8 in the box on several Turner runs. Might have been too obvious.

[whitekb011]

Really good post....Good observations and from my memory of the game I didn't see anything that you wrote that was off target......

I appreciate that Gritz... thanks Man

[FL Falcon]

Good Thread...good Post...good read...

THANKS

[Tandy]

I have also watched the game a couple of times now - and in defense of Abe and Bierman - there was a whole lot of holding going on.

[ugadawg]

very well done. I thought this was a well written thought out post. I gave you a +1 for it. I agree with nearly everything you stated and glad you took the time to rewatch and make a controlled opinion of what you re-watched.

[bozoatl]

Really good post....Good observations and from my memory of the game I didn't see anything that you wrote that was off target......

x 2

[hakim24]

First, I was very dissapointed, especially after spending the money to go to the game in New England. After Watching the game, here are my observations.

Through the first 3 quarters, we actually played very well. I think we all can agree that:

1. We needed to score on our first possesion

2. Turner needed to hold on to the ball (That was a great defensive play, not much Turner could do about that hit)

3. Decoud needs to make that interception in the endzone

4. Pass interference call was questionable

5. Moss Catch on the side lines was questionable

6. The call on a Fumble on Ryan that smith challenged was absolutely stupid by the refs, that was unacceptable.

Having said all this, if you look at the tape, Lofton was a monster. Perterson overpursued and we did not maintain Gap control. Trey Lewis did good on some plays, not so good on others. Decoud provided good run support and coverage. Chris Houston played fairly well. The main problem was gap control, and when the 4th quarter came around, our D was tired.

Running Game, there seems to be two camps on the boards, those blaming the oline and other blaming Turner. If you watch the tape, Wilfork blew up McClure about 3 times. Other than that, I believe the OL did enough for turner to gain good yardage, problem is Turner keeps trying to cut back for the big gain, or pop it outside all the time. He needs to maintain front side through the hole, then make his move if he choses. He is not attacking the hole, this is a problem for him because he does not have the athletic ability of an Adrian Perterson or Norwood. He needs to stay front side more often to set up the cut back.

Defenseive Line, for two games straight, where is John Abraham, where is Beerman? We know JA98 is not going to light anyone up, but there were a couple of plays where he played very well against the run. I like this kid, but believe our best option and his best option is a trade to a 3-4 team for a draft pick or player that upgrades our DL. I belive we could possibly see Sidbury against San Fran in week 5. I have high hopes for him. I will also note that I think NE made most of their rushing yards running at our DE's.

Linebackers: Perterson was out of position a lot and shot the wrong gap, or overpursued. Lofton, was laying the wood and Nicholas was very physical as well. I like this unit, as I'm sure most on the boards will agree.

Secondary: Oddly, I believe Eric Coleman is a liability in pass coverage. He, not Decoud, had over the top support on Moss and if not for Brady over throwing, Moss would have two TD's where Coleman had top bracket coverage deep. This could be a correctable problem, and I only noticed this game, so there could be lots of reasons for this.

All in all, I believe we can correct the problems with execution. I have full faith in this coaching staff to make the necessary changes to put this team in best possible position to win games.

Turner is slow out of the gate. Sometimes it seems like he is running in mud. He needs to get going faster and if he doesn't gain anything, he will still lay a punishing blow on a defender. The O-Line has not really grown up. They struggled against good teams last year and it is much the same this year.

Oddly enough JA98's roughing the passer was the only play where we touched Brady. I agree that Sidbury will be will get more playing time in the coming weeks.

Coleman is not a SS. He is not comfortable there and I have been saying this all year. Moore will be getting some playing time there sooner than later. Coleman, imo, has been one of the most disappointing players on our defense this year. I haven't seen any plays out of him and it leads me to believe that SS is just not the spot for him.

[whitekb011]

I have also watched the game a couple of times now - and in defense of Abe and Bierman - there was a whole lot of holding going on.

Tandy, no doubt, and in all, this had to be one of the poorest officiated games I have seen in a while

[The Don™]

Tandy, no doubt, and in all, this had to be one of the poorest officiated games I have seen in a while

I keep saying it...This game reminded me of the Iggles game so much

[whitekb011]

I keep saying it...This game reminded me of the Iggles game so much

you must be talking about that holding call after vick scored the TD... Man that game was awful

[Izo#2883]

I keep saying it...This game reminded me of the Iggles game so much

Im leaning towards this one being worse tbh. It was missed call on missed call. I felt that the Eagles game had a few, but this game they just made bad or missed calls on end.

[whitekb011]

Turner is slow out of the gate. Sometimes it seems like he is running in mud. He needs to get going faster and if he doesn't gain anything, he will still lay a punishing blow on a defender. The O-Line has not really grown up. They struggled against good teams last year and it is much the same this year.

Oddly enough JA98's roughing the passer was the only play where we touched Brady. I agree that Sidbury will be will get more playing time in the coming weeks.

Coleman is not a SS. He is not comfortable there and I have been saying this all year. Moore will be getting some playing time there sooner than later. Coleman, imo, has been one of the most disappointing players on our defense this year. I haven't seen any plays out of him and it leads me to believe that SS is just not the spot for him.

I am a very big fan of Moore. I believe he has the Range of Ed Reed (not ball skills) and the hitting power of a Steve Atwater in a Brian Dawkins type of body, with 4.5 straight line speed. If he is what I think he is, when we play cover 1, him or Decoud should be the safety.

[whitekb011]

very well done. I thought this was a well written thought out post. I gave you a +1 for it. I agree with nearly everything you stated and glad you took the time to rewatch and make a controlled opinion of what you re-watched.

I appreciate the comments, thanks man

[keithbrooking56]

Its nice to see other posters saw how horrible Peterson played that game. He also played poorly against Carolina. I think what are you (OP) as overpursuit is Peterson trying to make up for his complete lack of foot speed.

I also think its only fair to point out how in three games that Todd McClure is getting manhandled at the point of attack. I said that in another thread. We definitely need up draft some young linebackers and a center this offseason.

The good play against New England came from both safeties and Lofton on defense. Decoud could have two picks but at least he broke the pass up.

[thestufford]

I have also watched the game a couple of times now - and in defense of Abe and Bierman - there was a whole lot of holding going on.

LOL... Tandy, that just reminded me of the commentators hyping up Matt Light, saying something to the effect of him doing a really good job with John Abraham today. Then they show 3 replays and all three of them should have been a penalty. 2 were illegal hands to the face, and one was all out holding after Abe had passed him

[whitekb011]

Its nice to see other posters saw how horrible Peterson played that game. He also played poorly against Carolina. I think what are you (OP) as overpursuit is Peterson trying to make up for his complete lack of foot speed.

I also think its only fair to point out how in three games that Todd McClure is getting manhandled at the point of attack. I said that in another thread. We definitely need up draft some young linebackers and a center this offseason.

The good play against New England came from both safeties and Lofton on defense. Decoud could have two picks but at least he broke the pass up.

I can't really comment about McClure, becasue I like him as our center and over all (pass protection and run blocking) I think he is a very good center.

[MashDaddy]

Good POV....I got about the same from the game....lack of pressure didnt help. I Think they was scared to blitz to much due to moss and Brady's ability to pick apart a secoundary...but we cant be perfect...maybe game planning wasnt the best

[Falcon2]

Decoud has to make the picks, they changed the game completely.We stood no chance of getting a call in NE.Moss clearly pushed our player in the back, and Jenkins penalty was ticky-tack.The fumble by Turner was the biggest swing of the game without a doubt.We had our chances because Brady wasn't sharp and the Pats dropped a lot of balls.We have to come out strong in SF or we are in trouble,Gotta get Tony G involved.

[E. T.]

First, I was very dissapointed, especially after spending the money to go to the game in New England. After Watching the game, here are my observations.

Through the first 3 quarters, we actually played very well. I think we all can agree that:

1. We needed to score on our first possesion

2. Turner needed to hold on to the ball (That was a great defensive play, not much Turner could do about that hit)

3. Decoud needs to make that interception in the endzone

4. Pass interference call was questionable

5. Moss Catch on the side lines was questionable

6. The call on a Fumble on Ryan that smith challenged was absolutely stupid by the refs, that was unacceptable.

Having said all this, if you look at the tape, Lofton was a monster. Perterson overpursued and we did not maintain Gap control. Trey Lewis did good on some plays, not so good on others. Decoud provided good run support and coverage. Chris Houston played fairly well. The main problem was gap control, and when the 4th quarter came around, our D was tired.

Running Game, there seems to be two camps on the boards, those blaming the oline and other blaming Turner. If you watch the tape, Wilfork blew up McClure about 3 times. Other than that, I believe the OL did enough for turner to gain good yardage, problem is Turner keeps trying to cut back for the big gain, or pop it outside all the time. He needs to maintain front side through the hole, then make his move if he choses. He is not attacking the hole, this is a problem for him because he does not have the athletic ability of an Adrian Perterson or Norwood. He needs to stay front side more often to set up the cut back.

Defenseive Line, for two games straight, where is John Abraham, where is Beerman? We know JA98 is not going to light anyone up, but there were a couple of plays where he played very well against the run. I like this kid, but believe our best option and his best option is a trade to a 3-4 team for a draft pick or player that upgrades our DL. I belive we could possibly see Sidbury against San Fran in week 5. I have high hopes for him. I will also note that I think NE made most of their rushing yards running at our DE's.

Linebackers: Perterson was out of position a lot and shot the wrong gap, or overpursued. Lofton, was laying the wood and Nicholas was very physical as well. I like this unit, as I'm sure most on the boards will agree.

Secondary: Oddly, I believe Eric Coleman is a liability in pass coverage. He, not Decoud, had over the top support on Moss and if not for Brady over throwing, Moss would have two TD's where Coleman had top bracket coverage deep. This could be a correctable problem, and I only noticed this game, so there could be lots of reasons for this.

All in all, I believe we can correct the problems with execution. I have full faith in this coaching staff to make the necessary changes to put this team in best possible position to win games.

Dont forget about the suspect roughing the passer call on Brady.....