new Falcons stadium almost assuredly downtown

[beernuts]

so with the announcement today that Atlanta is bringing the College Football Hall of Fame to Atlanta and almost certainly likely to be buit in the centennial olympic park area, and the likelihood of a tie in with the Chick-fil-a bowl, it seems almost certain the new falcons stadium will be built downtown

start from the presumption the city is not going to be able to support two 70,000 plus stadiums

the city will now have two tie ins between college football and the college football hall of fame, one the new first game of the season (whatever they are calling that) and the chick-fil-a bowl

the tie in gives the chick-fil-a bowl a shot at becoming one of the BCS bowls

so, if the city and state want to exploit that relationship, a football stadium needs to be downtown

ergo, if the Falcons want any tax breaks or financial incentive from the city, they will be "strongly encouraged" to build downtown

also, it takes away the likelihood of the Falcons being able to make money by renting out their stadium for college football's big games if they build out in doraville or other burbs

the fact of the college football hall of fame being downtown almost assuredly guarantees the falcons new stadium will be downtowm

[Scorpion]

where are they going to put the new stadium at ??

[Dedsquirl]

Slightly off topic but

I find it funny that the Falcons would pair with Chic-Fil-A to build a stadium.

"Welcome to the Chick! Home of your Atlanta Falcons!"

[Herr Doktor]

Sweet! As long as we call the new stadium something terrifying. I am tired of the "Mr Nice Guy" Crap. Folks who come to the ATL should know that the dirty south AIN'T PLAYING NO MO'. You come here to play, you best accept the fact that it is no longer a cake walk, it is now WAR. Be ready ******....................THE ATL IS ON THE MOVE. AND WE ARE COMING TO A TOWN NEAR YOU WITH OUR SCORCHED EARTH POLICY OF NO RETREAT, NO SURRENDER!

[Lucky_Tom]

Slightly off topic but

I find it funny that the Falcons would pair with Chic-Fil-A to build a stadium.

"Welcome to the Chick! Home of your Atlanta Falcons!"

I still think the oddest is 'Zona's University of Phoenix Stadium. It sounds like they're playing on a college field.

[FalconWong88]

I'm just wondering, but Georgia State University is going to be using the Dome as it's "main" stadium, what implications it might have on the Falcons/etc.

[aerosmith67]

I'm just wondering, but Georgia State University is going to be using the Dome as it's "main" stadium, what implications it might have on the Falcons/etc.

I heard that is only until they get their own facilities built.

[agent45]

where are they going to put the new stadium at ??

Possibly the other side of GA Dome Dr, still between CNN Center and Vine City MARTA stops, walking distance from GWCCC. MLK Jr. Drive would have to be slightly re-routed, as may Mitchell St.

Embedded map may not work, so http://maps.google.com/maps?q=georgia+dome...mp;t=h&z=16

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[phattywankenobi]

The state of GA presides over the GWCC, which is being ridiculous about revenue sharing. They are currently doing a dance celebrating the arrival of the Colege HOF. It has been said over and over a significant increase in revenue shares needs to happen in the current NFL profit model.

The city of Doraville is quite capable of giving incentives and it is connected to MARTA so what's the difference in walking to each location 10 to 15 mins or riding MARTA? When people say it's all right there downtown, it is a relative term.

[AtlantaFalconPokerPro]

I could see them buying part of vine city and its surrounding neighborhoods. That area is run down, and real-estate is cheap.

[Peyton]

Couldn't they just continue to use the Georgia Dome for the college games?

[A.F.W.O.]

The "State Farm" lots accross Northside Dr. are owned by A. Blank Don't know about the EMPTY appartments beind them down Magnolia St.. Magnolia St. may just go away as it now seems as though Blank is buying up property in that part of Atlanta Just puting 2 and 2 together.

As for the name, Coka Cola Field? Atlanta born and based not to mention Coke's colors are red and black!

[Rev_Hal]

Couldn't they just continue to use the Georgia Dome for the college games?

Yes, which is what is going to happen.

[john_winger]

Possibly the other side of GA Dome Dr, still between CNN Center and Vine City MARTA stops, walking distance from GWCCC. MLK Jr. Drive would have to be slightly re-routed, as may Mitchell St.

Embedded map may not work, so http://maps.google.com/maps?q=georgia+dome...mp;t=h&z=16

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You might not understand how the words 'slightly' and 're-routed' don't go together when you are talking about the middle of a major metro area.

You can't just demolish/relocate dozens of buildings and city infrastructure and call it slightly re-routed.

[Voice of Reason]

so with the announcement today that Atlanta is bringing the College Football Hall of Fame to Atlanta and almost certainly likely to be buit in the centennial olympic park area, and the likelihood of a tie in with the Chick-fil-a bowl, it seems almost certain the new falcons stadium will be built downtown

start from the presumption the city is not going to be able to support two 70,000 plus stadiums

the city will now have two tie ins between college football and the college football hall of fame, one the new first game of the season (whatever they are calling that) and the chick-fil-a bowl

the tie in gives the chick-fil-a bowl a shot at becoming one of the BCS bowls

so, if the city and state want to exploit that relationship, a football stadium needs to be downtown

ergo, if the Falcons want any tax breaks or financial incentive from the city, they will be "strongly encouraged" to build downtown

also, it takes away the likelihood of the Falcons being able to make money by renting out their stadium for college football's big games if they build out in doraville or other burbs

the fact of the college football hall of fame being downtown almost assuredly guarantees the falcons new stadium will be downtowm

I just assumed it would be tied in with Georgia Tech. After all, Booby Dodd is the oldest college football stadium. Plus, ever heard of John Heisman? I figured the CFHOF would somehow be associated with that area.

[KRUNKuno]

doraville is not where the money is at.

blank is a guy about his money.

[nativefalcon]

so with the announcement today that Atlanta is bringing the College Football Hall of Fame to Atlanta and almost certainly likely to be buit in the centennial olympic park area, and the likelihood of a tie in with the Chick-fil-a bowl, it seems almost certain the new falcons stadium will be built downtown

start from the presumption the city is not going to be able to support two 70,000 plus stadiums

the city will now have two tie ins between college football and the college football hall of fame, one the new first game of the season (whatever they are calling that) and the chick-fil-a bowl

the tie in gives the chick-fil-a bowl a shot at becoming one of the BCS bowls

so, if the city and state want to exploit that relationship, a football stadium needs to be downtown

ergo, if the Falcons want any tax breaks or financial incentive from the city, they will be "strongly encouraged" to build downtown

also, it takes away the likelihood of the Falcons being able to make money by renting out their stadium for college football's big games if they build out in doraville or other burbs

the fact of the college football hall of fame being downtown almost assuredly guarantees the falcons new stadium will be downtowm

Why???? Is stone mountain downtown? Is six flags downtown? The whole point is the HE WANTS TO GET AWAY FROM THE GEORGIA WORLD CONGRESS CENTER. Because THEY WOULD NOT SELL THE DOME TO BLANK. NOW WHY ON EARTH WOULD HE WANT TO PUT IT DOWN THERE NOW. BLANK IS NO. 32 on how MUCH MONEY HE MAKES BECAUSE HE DOES NOT OWN THE DOME. JERRY JONES, DANIEL SNYDER, and JEFFEREY LURIE ALL OWN THEIRS and PAID FOR IT THEMSELVES, ARTHUR WILL TOO AND I BET IT WILL NOT BE DOWNTOWN. IF HE KEEPS IT THERE, HE WILL NOT OWN IT. THAT IS NOT A SMART BUINESS MOVE.

He needs lots of land and the GWCC AINT SELLING.

[dmite]

The state of GA presides over the GWCC, which is being ridiculous about revenue sharing. They are currently doing a dance celebrating the arrival of the Colege HOF. It has been said over and over a significant increase in revenue shares needs to happen in the current NFL profit model.

The city of Doraville is quite capable of giving incentives and it is connected to MARTA so what's the difference in walking to each location 10 to 15 mins or riding MARTA? When people say it's all right there downtown, it is a relative term.

You mean the 10 to 15 minutes it takes for a train to even show up (plus the ride)?

[Shiney_McShine]

What about parking and tailgating? As much as I want them to play downtown, it seems to me one of the reasons for moving is to have parking for tailgating.

[natedogg1109]

What about parking and tailgating? As much as I want them to play downtown, it seems to me one of the reasons for moving is to have parking for tailgating.

agree

[Faithful Falcon]

I think people don't really understand a couple of things. Doraville to Atlanta, is just like Irving and Arlington is the Dallas/Fort worth. When the stadium is built, the economy in that area will grow. There are only a few teams that actually play directly in the downtown area of their respected cities.

[beernuts]

the reason I raised it was not really a downtown vs. doraville or kennesaw or anywhere else

the fact is that these stadiums make money by hosting more than simply NFL games - the new stadium in Dallas is going to host final fours, bowl games and a world cup soccer final one day - add in concerts and conventions - the stadiums need those kinds of revenue to make money

that paridigm does not work if there are two stadiums of 70,000 plus competing against each other 20 miles away - that means there is economic incentive for both sides to agree to one stadium

and with the college hall of fame going to be downtown there is a lot of economic incentive to the city of atlanta to have that stadium downtown

it therefore makes economic sense to both Artie and the GWCC to have one new stadium downtown - yes, Blank will own it - but the city of Atlanta will have a vested itnerest in it

and that is good for both sides

[Faithful Falcon]

the reason I raised it was not really a downtown vs. doraville or kennesaw or anywhere else

the fact is that these stadiums make money by hosting more than simply NFL games - the new stadium in Dallas is going to host final fours, bowl games and a world cup soccer final one day - add in concerts and conventions - the stadiums need those kinds of revenue to make money

that paridigm does not work if there are two stadiums of 70,000 plus competing against each other 20 miles away - that means there is economic incentive for both sides to agree to one stadium

and with the college hall of fame going to be downtown there is a lot of economic incentive to the city of atlanta to have that stadium downtown

it therefore makes economic sense to both Artie and the GWCC to have one new stadium downtown - yes, Blank will own it - but the city of Atlanta will have a vested itnerest in it

and that is good for both sides

The Atlanta Motor Speedway is in Hampton, and it brings money into Atlanta. The Atlanta Dragway is in Commerce, and it brings money into Atlanta. Even if something is going on in Birmingham AL, it brings money into Atlanta. Atlanta is pretty much the center of the southeast. The main city, the Empire of the South. That being said, 20 mile will not make a difference.

[Brewcrew]

the reason I raised it was not really a downtown vs. doraville or kennesaw or anywhere else

the fact is that these stadiums make money by hosting more than simply NFL games - the new stadium in Dallas is going to host final fours, bowl games and a world cup soccer final one day - add in concerts and conventions - the stadiums need those kinds of revenue to make money

that paridigm does not work if there are two stadiums of 70,000 plus competing against each other 20 miles away - that means there is economic incentive for both sides to agree to one stadium

and with the college hall of fame going to be downtown there is a lot of economic incentive to the city of atlanta to have that stadium downtown

it therefore makes economic sense to both Artie and the GWCC to have one new stadium downtown - yes, Blank will own it - but the city of Atlanta will have a vested itnerest in it

and that is good for both sides

I think that if the Falcons move, they will tear down the dome. And the new stadium won't have to be downtown to attract the college games and the other events. If they have the logistics, and the sponsers, the other events will come.

The fact of the matter is, that they HAVE been looking to build it mostly in places other than downtown Atlanta, so I'm not sure how you can come to any conclusion that they will build it there.

[Bears fan in Atlanta]

Why???? Is stone mountain downtown? Is six flags downtown? The whole point is the HE WANTS TO GET AWAY FROM THE GEORGIA WORLD CONGRESS CENTER. Because THEY WOULD NOT SELL THE DOME TO BLANK. NOW WHY ON EARTH WOULD HE WANT TO PUT IT DOWN THERE NOW. BLANK IS NO. 32 on how MUCH MONEY HE MAKES BECAUSE HE DOES NOT OWN THE DOME. JERRY JONES, DANIEL SNYDER, and JEFFEREY LURIE ALL OWN THEIRS and PAID FOR IT THEMSELVES, ARTHUR WILL TOO AND I BET IT WILL NOT BE DOWNTOWN. IF HE KEEPS IT THERE, HE WILL NOT OWN IT. THAT IS NOT A SMART BUINESS MOVE.

He needs lots of land and the GWCC AINT SELLING.

I completely agree. I think the best idea would the Fort McPherson. It has rail access with the Lake/Fort McPherson Marta stop. It is a bit more convenient to for other events with travelers being the mid-point between downtown and the airport. Also, the site is large enough to add hotel, retail, restaurants and condos. It is also great for the locals in that it has direct access to 75/85, 20, and Langford Parkway gives direct access to 285.

This would make more sense than Doraville. Imagine getting to Doraville for tailgating on a Monday night game. Also, the city of Atlanta can make a more advantageous deal than Doraville.