iDash Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 Born: 8/30/1981 in Brunswick, GA Bats/Throws: R/R HT: 6'7'' WT: 230 Bio >Debut: 9/11/2005Early career"A highly valued prospect coming out of Glynn Academy, Wainwright planned to play college baseball for Georgia Tech, signing a letter of intent with the Yellow Jackets.But, when he was selected 29th overall in the first round of the 2000 amateur draft by his favorite team, the Atlanta Braves, Wainwright chose to forgo college and go straight to the pros, signing a contract with the Braves that included a $1.25 million bonus.In December 2003, Wainwright was sent to the Cardinals along with pitchers Jason Marquis and Ray King in a trade that sent outfielder J. D. Drew and utility man Eli Marrero to the Atlanta Braves. After two somewhat uneven seasons in the Cardinals' minor-league system, Wainwright made his MLB debut for St. Louis on September 11, 2005."WIKIAfter all the young Pitchers Atlanta's GMs gave away(1,2,3,4,5 ETC) for nothing ,this one irks me the most.Adam Wainwright 200918-8 2.59 ERAIn four Years a Career 3.18 ERA Pitcherhttp://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=425794 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.C. Collins Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 OMG!!!! Spilled Milk..............quick, lets get to crying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_ATL Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 JD Drew sure didn't play like a nothing player while he was here.Pitching is about the most hit or miss thing you can trade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodoleboy58 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 OMG we made a trade that didnt work out!!!! if only we could be like the other major league clubs that had the benefit of the crystal ball Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mookie3127 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 and he couldn't be playing in a better place for baseball. we all have our favorite teams growing up, but for those few that make it to the MLB level, there's only a handful of places that most would dream to play in and they're led by St. Louis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted September 16, 2009 Share Posted September 16, 2009 It was a great trade when it happened. Yeah Wainwright, Hanson and Jurrjens sure would be great together. But crying over a trade that happened 6 years ago isn't gonna change anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLBrave Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Yeah, like these guys said, that trade worked wonders for us in '04 or '05, whenever it was, and we just happened to give them a great player. Look at everyone else involved in that deal and you'll see that they no longer play for the Cards (and only one has gone to have decent success in Marquis, who was never going to achieve anything here). We made the playoffs that year, which was what we had hoped the trade would help us do (guy had a career year in the ATL), but Drew decided to leave. **** happens.EDIT:Just as another note, Wainwright has also had the benefit of working with, IMO, the best pitching coach in major league baseball in Dave Duncan. Had he stayed with the Braves, who knows how he would have turned out (Mazzone wasn't necessarily known as a great mentor for young pitchers). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconsd56 Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 I have to ask this...how many times have the braves got great players for NOTHING?Look at what the braves gave up for Hudson**** look at that the braves gave up for Sorianoor Gonzogo back further Denny Neagleor even further Fred Mcgriffhonestly braves fans have no place complaining about the braves getting " taken" in a trade because for every one you point out like Wainright there are several others where the braves got great players for chump change Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.C. Collins Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 I have to ask this...how many times have the braves got great players for NOTHING?Look at what the braves gave up for Hudson**** look at that the braves gave up for Sorianoor Gonzogo back further Denny Neagleor even further Fred Mcgriffhonestly braves fans have no place complaining about the braves getting " taken" in a trade because for every one you point out like Wainright there are several others where the braves got great players for chump changeX2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLBrave Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 I have to ask this...how many times have the braves got great players for NOTHING?Look at what the braves gave up for Hudson**** look at that the braves gave up for Sorianoor Gonzogo back further Denny Neagleor even further Fred Mcgriffhonestly braves fans have no place complaining about the braves getting " taken" in a trade because for every one you point out like Wainright there are several others where the braves got great players for chump changeEven more recently in Jair Jurrjens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
L.Rover Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Even more recently in Jair Jurrjens.Nate McLouth might be added to that list. Gorkys Hernandez and Jeff Locke haven't performed well at all in the Pirates farm system, and Charlie Morton was overrated, anyway.To think that we spun Andy Marte into Jair Jurrjens still blows my mind (Marte -> BOS for Edgar Renteria; Renteria -> DET for Jurrjens & Gorkys). In addition, we got several GREAT years out of Renteria, and he really mentored (and continues to do so) Yunel Escobar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted September 17, 2009 Share Posted September 17, 2009 Yeah, like these guys said, that trade worked wonders for us in '04 or '05, whenever it was, and we just happened to give them a great player. Look at everyone else involved in that deal and you'll see that they no longer play for the Cards (and only one has gone to have decent success in Marquis, who was never going to achieve anything here). We made the playoffs that year, which was what we had hoped the trade would help us do (guy had a career year in the ATL), but Drew decided to leave. **** happens.EDIT:Just as another note, Wainwright has also had the benefit of working with, IMO, the best pitching coach in major league baseball in Dave Duncan. Had he stayed with the Braves, who knows how he would have turned out (Mazzone wasn't necessarily known as a great mentor for young pitchers).X2X2X3Nate McLouth might be added to that list. Gorkys Hernandez and Jeff Locke haven't performed well at all in the Pirates farm system, and Charlie Morton was overrated, anyway.To think that we spun Andy Marte into Jair Jurrjens still blows my mind (Marte -> BOS for Edgar Renteria; Renteria -> DET for Jurrjens & Gorkys). In addition, we got several GREAT years out of Renteria, and he really mentored (and continues to do so) Yunel Escobar.X2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ugadawg Posted September 18, 2009 Share Posted September 18, 2009 Just as another note, Wainwright has also had the benefit of working with, IMO, the best pitching coach in major league baseball in Dave Duncan. Had he stayed with the Braves, who knows how he would have turned out (Mazzone wasn't necessarily known as a great mentor for young pitchers).rumor is he will leave the cards at the end of the year. He is pissed about the way his son was treated by the cards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLBrave Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 rumor is he will leave the cards at the end of the year. He is pissed about the way his son was treated by the cardsIf he does, then a team will be getting one helluva pitching coach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goodoleboy58 Posted September 21, 2009 Share Posted September 21, 2009 rumor is he will leave the cards at the end of the year. He is pissed about the way his son was treated by the cardsdidnt his son end up getting cut by the red sox too? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ugadawg Posted September 22, 2009 Share Posted September 22, 2009 didnt his son end up getting cut by the red sox too?yea I didn't has they did anything wrong just that he was pissed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobkowski Posted September 26, 2009 Share Posted September 26, 2009 rumor is he will leave the cards at the end of the year. He is pissed about the way his son was treated by the cardsbring him to the ATL > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
setr Posted September 28, 2009 Share Posted September 28, 2009 Braves Trade Edgar Renteria for Jair Jurgens It goes both ways Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted September 30, 2009 Share Posted September 30, 2009 Braves Trade Edgar Renteria for Jair Jurgens It goes both waysActually it was Andy Marte turned into Jair Jurrjens. What has Marte done at the MLB level? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iDash Posted October 6, 2009 Author Share Posted October 6, 2009 Atleast someone agrees with mehttp://blogs.ajc.com/furman-bisher-blog/2009/10/03/two-bad-trades-cost-braves-this-season/?cxntfid=blogs_furman_bisher_blogThe most talent given away from a farm system in MLB for noting = Braves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K26dp Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 (edited) Furman Bischer thinks it was a bad idea to outlaw the spitball too, and doesn't care too much for these new-fangled electronic scoreboards.Yes, the Wainwright trade turned out bad. It's not the reason the Braves didn't make the playoffs this season. Edited October 6, 2009 by K26dp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATLBrave Posted October 6, 2009 Share Posted October 6, 2009 Atleast someone agrees with mehttp://blogs.ajc.com/furman-bisher-blog/2009/10/03/two-bad-trades-cost-braves-this-season/?cxntfid=blogs_furman_bisher_blogThe most talent given away from a farm system in MLB for noting = BravesAnd yet we are still at the top of minor league system rankings. Also, for every Adam Wainwright, you have a Dan Meyer or Jose Capellan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Atleast someone agrees with mehttp://blogs.ajc.com/furman-bisher-blog/2009/10/03/two-bad-trades-cost-braves-this-season/?cxntfid=blogs_furman_bisher_blogThe most talent given away from a farm system in MLB for noting = BravesAnd it works both ways as we have seen. We stole Tim Hudson from the A's. Stole Hampton from the Marlins and he had a couple good years for us before he started getting hurt. We stole Jurrjens from the Tigers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.C. Collins Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 Atleast someone agrees with mehttp://blogs.ajc.com/furman-bisher-blog/2009/10/03/two-bad-trades-cost-braves-this-season/?cxntfid=blogs_furman_bisher_blogThe most talent given away from a farm system in MLB for noting = BravesYeah dude, Furman Bisher agrees with you. The article is garbage and if there was every anyone who is out of touch with the here and now and the big picture...its Furman Bisher. Trust me, you should not be glad that this guy agrees with you.And it works both ways as we have seen. We stole Tim Hudson from the A's. Stole Hampton from the Marlins and he had a couple good years for us before he started getting hurt. We stole Jurrjens from the Tigers. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K26dp Posted October 7, 2009 Share Posted October 7, 2009 McLouth -- stolen from the Pirates (using a guy we stole from the Tigers)LaRoche -- stolen from the Red SoxJurrjens -- stolen from the Tigers (and the guy we traded for him, Renteria, we stole from the Red Sox)Vazquez -- stolen from the White SoxGonzalez -- stolen from the PiratesSoriano -- stolen from the MarinersHudson -- stolen from the A'sDiaz -- stolen from the RoyalsAnd that's just from this year's roster.But yeah, it was that Wainwright deal from back in 2004, that's the deal that killed us in 2009.Jeez, even the Teixiera deal, which also turned out bad for the Braves, in the end didn't really matter that much. Andrus wouldn't be starting over Escobar. Saltimacchia wouldn't be starting over McCann. Matt Harrison would be a bullpen arm at best. Neftali Feliz may turn out to be a great pitcher, but he's still a year away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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