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Born: 8/30/1981 in Brunswick, GA

Bats/Throws: R/R HT: 6'7'' WT: 230 Bio >

Debut: 9/11/2005

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Early career

"A highly valued prospect coming out of Glynn Academy, Wainwright planned to play college baseball for Georgia Tech, signing a letter of intent with the Yellow Jackets.But, when he was selected 29th overall in the first round of the 2000 amateur draft by his favorite team, the Atlanta Braves, Wainwright chose to forgo college and go straight to the pros, signing a contract with the Braves that included a $1.25 million bonus.

In December 2003, Wainwright was sent to the Cardinals along with pitchers Jason Marquis and Ray King in a trade that sent outfielder J. D. Drew and utility man Eli Marrero to the Atlanta Braves. After two somewhat uneven seasons in the Cardinals' minor-league system, Wainwright made his MLB debut for St. Louis on September 11, 2005."WIKI

After all the young Pitchers Atlanta's GMs gave away(1,2,3,4,5 ETC) for nothing ,

this one irks me the most.

Adam Wainwright

2009

18-8 2.59 ERA

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In four Years a Career 3.18 ERA Pitcher

http://mlb.mlb.com/team/player.jsp?player_id=425794

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Yeah, like these guys said, that trade worked wonders for us in '04 or '05, whenever it was, and we just happened to give them a great player. Look at everyone else involved in that deal and you'll see that they no longer play for the Cards (and only one has gone to have decent success in Marquis, who was never going to achieve anything here). We made the playoffs that year, which was what we had hoped the trade would help us do (guy had a career year in the ATL), but Drew decided to leave. **** happens.

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Just as another note, Wainwright has also had the benefit of working with, IMO, the best pitching coach in major league baseball in Dave Duncan. Had he stayed with the Braves, who knows how he would have turned out (Mazzone wasn't necessarily known as a great mentor for young pitchers).

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I have to ask this...

how many times have the braves got great players for NOTHING?

Look at what the braves gave up for Hudson

**** look at that the braves gave up for Soriano

or Gonzo

go back further Denny Neagle

or even further Fred Mcgriff

honestly braves fans have no place complaining about the braves getting " taken" in a trade because for every one you point out like Wainright there are several others where the braves got great players for chump change

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I have to ask this...

how many times have the braves got great players for NOTHING?

Look at what the braves gave up for Hudson

**** look at that the braves gave up for Soriano

or Gonzo

go back further Denny Neagle

or even further Fred Mcgriff

honestly braves fans have no place complaining about the braves getting " taken" in a trade because for every one you point out like Wainright there are several others where the braves got great players for chump change

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I have to ask this...

how many times have the braves got great players for NOTHING?

Look at what the braves gave up for Hudson

**** look at that the braves gave up for Soriano

or Gonzo

go back further Denny Neagle

or even further Fred Mcgriff

honestly braves fans have no place complaining about the braves getting " taken" in a trade because for every one you point out like Wainright there are several others where the braves got great players for chump change

Even more recently in Jair Jurrjens.

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Even more recently in Jair Jurrjens.

Nate McLouth might be added to that list. Gorkys Hernandez and Jeff Locke haven't performed well at all in the Pirates farm system, and Charlie Morton was overrated, anyway.

To think that we spun Andy Marte into Jair Jurrjens still blows my mind (Marte -> BOS for Edgar Renteria; Renteria -> DET for Jurrjens & Gorkys). In addition, we got several GREAT years out of Renteria, and he really mentored (and continues to do so) Yunel Escobar.

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Yeah, like these guys said, that trade worked wonders for us in '04 or '05, whenever it was, and we just happened to give them a great player. Look at everyone else involved in that deal and you'll see that they no longer play for the Cards (and only one has gone to have decent success in Marquis, who was never going to achieve anything here). We made the playoffs that year, which was what we had hoped the trade would help us do (guy had a career year in the ATL), but Drew decided to leave. **** happens.

EDIT:

Just as another note, Wainwright has also had the benefit of working with, IMO, the best pitching coach in major league baseball in Dave Duncan. Had he stayed with the Braves, who knows how he would have turned out (Mazzone wasn't necessarily known as a great mentor for young pitchers).

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Nate McLouth might be added to that list. Gorkys Hernandez and Jeff Locke haven't performed well at all in the Pirates farm system, and Charlie Morton was overrated, anyway.

To think that we spun Andy Marte into Jair Jurrjens still blows my mind (Marte -> BOS for Edgar Renteria; Renteria -> DET for Jurrjens & Gorkys). In addition, we got several GREAT years out of Renteria, and he really mentored (and continues to do so) Yunel Escobar.

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Just as another note, Wainwright has also had the benefit of working with, IMO, the best pitching coach in major league baseball in Dave Duncan. Had he stayed with the Braves, who knows how he would have turned out (Mazzone wasn't necessarily known as a great mentor for young pitchers).

rumor is he will leave the cards at the end of the year. He is pissed about the way his son was treated by the cards

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Furman Bischer thinks it was a bad idea to outlaw the spitball too, and doesn't care too much for these new-fangled electronic scoreboards.

Yes, the Wainwright trade turned out bad. It's not the reason the Braves didn't make the playoffs this season.

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Atleast someone agrees with me

http://blogs.ajc.com/furman-bisher-blog/2009/10/03/two-bad-trades-cost-braves-this-season/?cxntfid=blogs_furman_bisher_blog

The most talent given away from a farm system in MLB for noting = Braves

And yet we are still at the top of minor league system rankings. Also, for every Adam Wainwright, you have a Dan Meyer or Jose Capellan.

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Atleast someone agrees with me

http://blogs.ajc.com/furman-bisher-blog/2009/10/03/two-bad-trades-cost-braves-this-season/?cxntfid=blogs_furman_bisher_blog

The most talent given away from a farm system in MLB for noting = Braves

And it works both ways as we have seen. We stole Tim Hudson from the A's. Stole Hampton from the Marlins and he had a couple good years for us before he started getting hurt. We stole Jurrjens from the Tigers.

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Atleast someone agrees with me

http://blogs.ajc.com/furman-bisher-blog/2009/10/03/two-bad-trades-cost-braves-this-season/?cxntfid=blogs_furman_bisher_blog

The most talent given away from a farm system in MLB for noting = Braves

Yeah dude, Furman Bisher agrees with you. The article is garbage and if there was every anyone who is out of touch with the here and now and the big picture...its Furman Bisher. Trust me, you should not be glad that this guy agrees with you.

And it works both ways as we have seen. We stole Tim Hudson from the A's. Stole Hampton from the Marlins and he had a couple good years for us before he started getting hurt. We stole Jurrjens from the Tigers.

Agreed.

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McLouth -- stolen from the Pirates (using a guy we stole from the Tigers)

LaRoche -- stolen from the Red Sox

Jurrjens -- stolen from the Tigers (and the guy we traded for him, Renteria, we stole from the Red Sox)

Vazquez -- stolen from the White Sox

Gonzalez -- stolen from the Pirates

Soriano -- stolen from the Mariners

Hudson -- stolen from the A's

Diaz -- stolen from the Royals

And that's just from this year's roster.

But yeah, it was that Wainwright deal from back in 2004, that's the deal that killed us in 2009.

Jeez, even the Teixiera deal, which also turned out bad for the Braves, in the end didn't really matter that much. Andrus wouldn't be starting over Escobar. Saltimacchia wouldn't be starting over McCann. Matt Harrison would be a bullpen arm at best. Neftali Feliz may turn out to be a great pitcher, but he's still a year away.

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