Hill’s arrival in Atlanta puts Grimes in jeopardy

[Ghost Rider]

i think the main reason chevis was on the pine was because they didn't want b. williams starting at LCB every single snap. 1- because ted ginn lines up over there and he would probably be a problem for willams and 2- williams has only been here for a week and just because he knows the scheme doesn't mean he knows all the plays. them starting williams a couple of days after he got here tells me that they don't have all that much faith in grimes. we'll see what happens though. when it comes down to it chevis has shown more bright spots than grimes has IMO.

if houston doesn't keep up his play (he actually didn't play bad yesterday) then i could definitely see hill taking over, or us moving b.will to his side since that's where he played in jax. all in all though our corners didn't play bad yesterday so i'm not going to say anybody's getting benched just yet. as far as we saw yesterday grimes and williams will rotate on and off the LCB and nickel and houston will be the right.

Actually Smitty said everything was the same from what they ran in Jacksonville. The calls and everything was the exact same. He basically could just step right in without missing a beat. The chemistry thing would be the only thing that would concern me. It is important to work as a unit and he hardly worked with these guys at all. I pretty much agree with everything you said though. I like Chevis btw. A lot but with our newly added talent, he might be lucky to get any playing time this entire year. We are really deep there now. It sucks for those of us who liked Chevis but it is a weird feeling when you got starting talent sitting on the bench because you are so deep. Like Trey Lewis being inactive. I thought he had a chance to start and he wasn't even active. We finally got depth all over the place.

[FalconFanSince1970]

His roster spot is not in Jeopardy........ The guy is not going no where...... His starting spot (NB position) is in jeopardy tho

Don't count on it:

1. He was given a chance to win the starting LCB this year and lost to Bernt Grimes who got demoted on day one

2. He had two chances to win the starting RCB job when Crisp was hurt the last two preseasons

3. We will likely not carry more than 5 CBs

4. He and Redman were the only two players that dressed and didn't see the field.

Sorry bro but unless dude opens a serious can of whoop as in practice this week he could be gone in the next 10 days. This is the year of urgency.

I also see you have DeCoud in your sig. He could be in jeopardy when Moore comes back. He played OK yesterday but if they hadn't overthrown the Wildcat pass he would be a topic of conversation this morning. Trust me.

[Ghost Rider]

What I can see so far from TD is if you can not step in and be a starter on this team (If a starter goes down with a injury). You won't be a Falcon very long. Jackson is perfect for the nickle position but if a guy goes down he is not starting material. Thus making him more vunerable of being cut. Grimes has to prove his worth because Owens will have his opportunity sooner or later.

I agree that Owens will get his opportunity at some point. I think it will be next year though. His role this year is STs and to just keep improving in practice. He sucked it up against the Rams but he is much better than that. I saw him practice and at one point he was really pushing Grimes for the starters role.

[Ghost Rider]

Don't count on it:

1. He was given a chance to win the starting LCB this year and lost to Bernt Grimes who got demoted on day one

2. He had two chances to win the starting RCB job when Crisp was hurt the last two preseasons

3. We will likely not carry more than 5 CBs

4. He and Redman were the only two players that dressed and didn't see the field.

Sorry bro but unless dude opens a serious can of whoop as in practice this week he could be gone in the next 10 days. This is the year of urgency.

I also see you have DeCoud in your sig. He could be in jeopardy when Moore comes back. He played OK yesterday but if they hadn't overthrown the Wildcat pass he would be a topic of conversation this morning. Trust me.

I agree with everything except Decoud's roster spot being in Jeopardy. When Moore is ready his starting spot could be in jeopardy but not his roster spot. He is a back up caliber player imo. My guess is that when Moore is ready that Coleman will slide back over. He is a much better FS anyway. I am thinking we will only carry 5 CB's too. That is why I think it is possible for him to get cut. I have a feeling that Owens could be put on the PS but I highly doubt he makes it through wavers so that might not be a possibility either.

[bossFALCON™]

Actually Smitty said everything was the same from what they ran in Jacksonville. The calls and everything was the exact same. He basically could just step right in without missing a beat. The chemistry thing would be the only thing that would concern me. It is important to work as a unit and he hardly worked with these guys at all. I pretty much agree with everything you said though. I like Chevis btw. A lot but with our newly added talent, he might be lucky to get any playing time this entire year. We are really deep there now. It sucks for those of us who liked Chevis but it is a weird feeling when you got starting talent sitting on the bench because you are so deep. Like Trey Lewis being inactive. I thought he had a chance to start and he wasn't even active. We finally got depth all over the place.

yeah the depth is definitely a positive. i really don't have a problem with who starts, just as long as they play well. i don't think we axe chevis though with the way he played as a rookie.

[Ghost Rider]

yeah the depth is definitely a positive. i really don't have a problem with who starts, just as long as they play well. i don't think we axe chevis though with the way he played as a rookie.

He does have a lot of upside. It will be interesting to see how it all plays out. Maybe we do keep 6. I was thinking possibly putting Owens on the PS but I highly doubt he makes it through wavers to get back to us. No way we can lose him.

[Money Lee]

Grimes was not replaced. Williams was in because he's a better tackler. Grimes came in on nickel situations but Grimes was covering the #1 WR spot and Williams was in the Nickel spot. Grimes ain't going nowhere.

Grimes for all his heart and athletic ability is just too small.

It'd be one thing if he was small, but played bigger, but he can't set the corner when teams run his direction and he's shown to be a liability/targeted in the red zone.

It's a similar problem Houston has in that he doesn't play physical consistently. He'll get soft until someone kick his in the arse.

[Karst41]

That's what happens when you don't step up your game. A lot of guys will tell you it's really hard to make it to the NFL.... and it's twice as hard to stay there.

Considering the Money that these guys make, all I can say is

Dang Skippy !

[hawkeye]

If Houston is replaced then we have Williams and Hill starting. We either cut Grimes or trade Houston and get something for him in return.

If we keep Grimes then Chevis stays at nickel and Grimes at dime. Chevis is too good at nickel to let go.

Dimitroff said the team considered trading up higher to select Jackson, but elected to hold tight despite a run at the cornerback position. In the end, the Falcons got their man.

"He's a very good Cover Two corner," the General Manager said. "He has a very good feel for a defense and is very instinctive. We were excited to get him in the third round."

[1989Fan]

if Hill pans out I wouldnt be suprised to see us deal Houston for a pick in next draft.

Houston could have mid round value somewhere else.

There is still 5 weeks for the trade deadline, and all offseason.

[FalcsForLife]

if Hill pans out I wouldnt be suprised to see us deal Houston for a pick in next draft.

Houston could have mid round value somewhere else.

There is still 5 weeks for the trade deadline, and all offseason.

I totally agree with you. Hill has a ton of ability and Williams is a good player who knows the system....I think those two will be our starters by midseason. As mentioned earlier Chevis is a much better fit at nickel than Houston is.

Hill, Williams/Grimes, Jackson this season and Hill, Owens, Jackson next season.

[Voice of Reason]

If Houston is replaced then we have Williams and Hill starting. We either cut Grimes or trade Houston and get something for him in return.

If we keep Grimes then Chevis stays at nickel and Grimes at dime. Chevis is too good at nickel to let go.

Dimitroff said the team considered trading up higher to select Jackson, but elected to hold tight despite a run at the cornerback position. In the end, the Falcons got their man.

"He's a very good Cover Two corner," the General Manager said. "He has a very good feel for a defense and is very instinctive. We were excited to get him in the third round."

Exactly! Saved me a bunch of typing there. Thank you!

[MR Falcon]

Owens will be a starter outside for us before the season is over. He is fast and has real ball skills. He just has to adjust to the NFL and he'll be a starter for us. I have no doubts about his abilities.

And your point is well taken about versatility... it has definitely been a focal point on this team. Chevis definitely isn't starter material because he just doesn't have the speed to keep up with most starting WRs. I love love love Chevis in our defense at nickel though... he has real impact there, so we'll see.

I don't see Owens starting this yr. maybe next ,not with Hill on the roster .

[Falconfan4197]

the atlanta falcons corners for this season will be Houston and Hill.. Sorry sugar nips.. your just to short

[nobkowski]

it simply looks to me from watching the game yesterday, Chevis is the one who lost his job.

[Carter]

I don't see Owens starting this yr. maybe next ,not with Hill on the roster .

I think he has the ability, but we'll see if Hill actually becomes a factor. Owens could start by the end of the season, but I will agree that next year he has a better shot.

Still think Grimes is gone before Jackson though. Grimes' speed and athleticism is what has kept him around, because that's what you need to play corner outside... but he should be a backup, if anything... for all the heart he plays with, he just wasn't graced with NFL size. He's fast, athletic, and plays decent enough most of the time - but he's another man coverage guy. Playing nickel you are working a lot more zone with short to intermediate routes typically over the middle. Grimes is not a bad player, but he cannot compete for anything but a tackle over the middle.

Chevis simply plays a zone better than a whole lot of guys. He has a ton of value to a Cover 2 defense. His size, ability, and instincts make him a key piece of the defense... especially in the red zone where straight line speed matters less and less the closer you get.

[Brehus]

Owens will be a starter outside for us before the season is over. He is fast and has real ball skills. He just has to adjust to the NFL and he'll be a starter for us. I have no doubts about his abilities.

And your point is well taken about versatility... it has definitely been a focal point on this team. Chevis definitely isn't starter material because he just doesn't have the speed to keep up with most starting WRs. I love love love Chevis in our defense at nickel though... he has real impact there, so we'll see.

Both Williams and Chevis are slow for corners. Williams runs a 4.54 40 and Chevis runs around a 4.58 40. I see why Williams was moved to nickel when the falcons switched out of the their base formation. Hill on the other hand has 4.31 40 speed

[MR Falcon]

I think he has the ability, but we'll see if Hill actually becomes a factor. Owens could start by the end of the season, but I will agree that next year he has a better shot.

Still think Grimes is gone before Jackson though. Grimes' speed and athleticism is what has kept him around, because that's what you need to play corner outside... but he should be a backup, if anything... for all the heart he plays with, he just wasn't graced with NFL size. He's fast, athletic, and plays decent enough most of the time - but he's another man coverage guy. Playing nickel you are working a lot more zone with short to intermediate routes typically over the middle. Grimes is not a bad player, but he cannot compete for anything but a tackle over the middle.

Chevis simply plays a zone better than a whole lot of guys. He has a ton of value to a Cover 2 defense. His size, ability, and instincts make him a key piece of the defense... especially in the red zone where straight line speed matters less and less the closer you get.

The only way Owens starts this season is if there's some injuries , and I hope there's no real injuries . With B Williams on this team now Owens and all the DB has a player to relate the D system to all , this is a great benefit to Owens , all he has to do is prepare himself for when he's called , that is his main objective now.

[1989Fan]

Both Williams and Chevis are slow for corners. Williams runs a 4.54 40 and Chevis runs around a 4.58 40. I see why Williams was moved to nickel when the falcons switched out of the their base formation. Hill on the other hand has 4.31 40 speed

speed isnt everything in cover 2. see Ronde Barber..besides that, i want to see how a player runs in pads, not in shorts in a 40 dash they trained for.

[bossFALCON™]

speed isnt everything in cover 2. see Ronde Barber..besides that, i want to see how a player runs in pads, not in shorts in a 40 dash they trained for.

yup. 40s are nice, but they don't always translate. jenkins burned hall pretty good last year and if i'm not mistaken hall's 40 was faster.

[The Dude Abides]

it looks like owens and hill will be our future corners, but for now the main dudes will be hill, williams, houston

[Brehus]

speed isnt everything in cover 2. see Ronde Barber..besides that, i want to see how a player runs in pads, not in shorts in a 40 dash they trained for.

Yea Barber only runs a 4.47 40 but compaired to Williams 4.54 and Chevis 4.58 40 it is still a noticable difference. They are going to need a good safety to help them out if they starting against a fast WR or play 15 yards off lol

[Carter]

Both Williams and Chevis are slow for corners. Williams runs a 4.54 40 and Chevis runs around a 4.58 40. I see why Williams was moved to nickel when the falcons switched out of the their base formation. Hill on the other hand has 4.31 40 speed

40 times are cool and all, but a nickel back really doesn't go deep with anyone. They replace a linebacker in the 4-3 so that there are 4 linemen, 2 linebackers, and 5 defensive backs. The nickel typically covers short to intermediate zones.

I think a lot of people are overrating Hill. He has been decent in the games he has been in, but over the past 2 years he has missed 20 games. 20 games! He has the ability to cover pretty well, so if he stays healthy and hungry he may be just what we needed. I would have rather gotten Roderick Hood, but we'll see how Hill does. It's not like we're stacked in the secondary, contrary to what most on here seem to believe.

I think Jackson has a place on this team because of his youth, size, instincts, and fit into our system. Williams looks to be pretty good, but as I have said... I believe Grimes will be gone before Chevis.