bozoatl Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 I don't intend for this to be a Houston bashing thread. Just a couple of legitimate questions and/or observations.I know a lot of people have said that CH gets good pass coverage position, but then fails to turn his head to find the ball. Others say he just flat out gets burned too often. Whatever your take, he obviously has not developed into the CB we hoped for on Draft Day - at least not yet. I was thinking of when D.Hall manned up against T.O. a couple of years ago. Owens had some catches and some yards, but NO TD's. Hall actually played T.O. very physically in that game. He was bumping him off the LOS, and keeping Owens from getting separation or getting into a rhythm. I don't understand why CH isn't that type of player. Here's what I tend to think: Houston is scary strong. I don't remember his stats, but he pressed a lot of weight coming out of college. Seems to me he could, and maybe should start giving receivers a good tap instead of giving them an 8 yard cushion. Instead of playing to his speed, maybe he should play to his strength - which is: his strength.Think that would make a difference? Or are most of you just ready to feed him to the wolves?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
804_Falconfan Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 cause D. Hall is a breast. But seriously I think it would be a good idea for Houston to start doing that. If I remember correctly he was pretty effective against Calvin Johnson in college with his jams at the LOS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconMama Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Feed him to the wolves! *shaking pitchfork* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statick Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Man, I'm all "talked" out when it comes to Houston.I just want to see him do better than he's shown in the preseason. If he can turn it up for the regular season, then I'll be fine with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dem Birds Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 I believe Houston played really physical against KC last year and had one of his best games, he owned Dwayne Bowe. I completely agree he should be playing like that, I've felt that way for a while.And he had 27 reps on the bench coming out of college. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illest_will Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 I don't intend for this to be a Houston bashing thread. Just a couple of legitimate questions and/or observations.I know a lot of people have said that CH gets good pass coverage position, but then fails to turn his head to find the ball. Others say he just flat out gets burned too often. Whatever your take, he obviously has not developed into the CB we hoped for on Draft Day - at least not yet. I was thinking of when D.Hall manned up against T.O. a couple of years ago. Owens had some catches and some yards, but NO TD's. Hall actually played T.O. very physically in that game. He was bumping him off the LOS, and keeping Owens from getting separation or getting into a rhythm. I don't understand why CH isn't that type of player. Here's what I tend to think: Houston is scary strong. I don't remember his stats, but he pressed a lot of weight coming out of college. Seems to me he could, and maybe should start giving receivers a good tap instead of giving them an 8 yard cushion. Instead of playing to his speed, maybe he should play to his strength - which is: his strength.Think that would make a difference? Or are most of you just ready to feed him to the wolves??this is probably the reason we got a veteran CB that plays more with his strength than his speed. he has the talent to press people at the line, Dwayne Bowe isn't a slouch and he played a PERFECT game against him. i think it's him not quite being comfortable in the NFL yet for whatever reason. because Dwayne Bowe is someone he's always been able to play well since college. he was comfortable with that opponent, and successfully played him in that game. maybe he doesn't study his opponents enough, i don't know. all i do know is, he has the ability Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illest_will Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 I believe Houston played really physical against KC last year and had one of his best games, he owned Dwayne Bowe. I completely agree he should be playing like that, I've felt that way for a while.And he had 27 reps on the bench coming out of college.beat me to it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconinPA Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Man, I'm all "talked" out when it comes to Houston.I just want to see him do better than he's shown in the preseason. If he can turn it up for the regular season, then I'll be fine with him.and Grimes! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dem Birds Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 beat me to itAverage minds think a like, I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kal Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 I don't intend for this to be a Houston bashing thread. Just a couple of legitimate questions and/or observations.I know a lot of people have said that CH gets good pass coverage position, but then fails to turn his head to find the ball. Others say he just flat out gets burned too often. Whatever your take, he obviously has not developed into the CB we hoped for on Draft Day - at least not yet. I was thinking of when D.Hall manned up against T.O. a couple of years ago. Owens had some catches and some yards, but NO TD's. Hall actually played T.O. very physically in that game. He was bumping him off the LOS, and keeping Owens from getting separation or getting into a rhythm. I don't understand why CH isn't that type of player. Here's what I tend to think: Houston is scary strong. I don't remember his stats, but he pressed a lot of weight coming out of college. Seems to me he could, and maybe should start giving receivers a good tap instead of giving them an 8 yard cushion. Instead of playing to his speed, maybe he should play to his strength - which is: his strength.Think that would make a difference? Or are most of you just ready to feed him to the wolves??Houston gave up 3 touchdowns last year. How does that not make him that type of player? A lot of what people say about him comes down people seeing him making one bad play, or playing soft on a few plays and think thats what he is always like. You watch any cornerback and they'll get beat at times and play soft at others. That's a scheme thing.He's nowhere near as bad as this messageboard would make out. Its just easier to look at the bad plays of a cornerback and think he's garbage than to look at a whole volume of work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karst41 Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 DB's come in two categories.Killers and Assassins.#23 is neither of these, at least not as of "yet".Feed his azz Sharks Blood and mix in some gun powder andassign him to Harvey Dahl for accountability.Until he acquires a taste for blood he will (hmm how should I phrase this)pretty much S U C K . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statick Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 and Grimes!That goes without saying.I think its safe to say that Grimes will start out the season as the starter and end up getting replaced by either Hill or Williams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Houston gave up 3 touchdowns last year. How does that not make him that type of player? A lot of what people say about him comes down people seeing him making one bad play, or playing soft on a few plays and think thats what he is always like. You watch any cornerback and they'll get beat at times and play soft at others. That's a scheme thing.He's nowhere near as bad as this messageboard would make out. Its just easier to look at the bad plays of a cornerback and think he's garbage than to look at a whole volume of workIt's not fair to compare him to DLO. Chris is the kind of cb that will occasionally let a WR catch 5 fifteen yard passes in a row, whereas DLO would save time and effort by just letting the reciever smoke him for a 75 yard TD and be done with it.DLO was much more efficient like that, it's really not fair to compare the two. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 ...I know a lot of people have said that CH gets good pass coverage position, but then fails to turn his head to find the ball. Others say he just flat out gets burned too often...It's been a little bit of both. Never seen a team in a Bowl with a corner like that. Ever. Houston is scary strong. I don't remember his stats, but he pressed a lot of weight coming out of college.Problem is this is the NFL, not the World Weightlifting Federation.Seems to me he could, and maybe should start giving receivers a good tap instead of giving them an 8 yard cushion. Instead of playing to his speed, maybe he should play to his strength - which is: his strength.I'm sure the 8 yard cushions are ordered up by Smitty and BVG who still can't trust him.Think that would make a difference? Or are most of you just ready to feed him to the wolves??If he doesn't open a can in the first couple games he will become a nickel, dime or worse. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 It's been a little bit of both. Never seen a team in a Bowl with a corner like that. Ever.The Cardinals gave up more TD passes than any team in 25 years last year and they made the Super Bowl, and thier starting left corner from that game is unemployed right now. Just saying. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Hoopah! Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Deangelo Hall's play against TO is one of the more impressive performance's I've seen from a CB in years. He completely took him out of the game. I would love for Houston to be able to perform like that. He has the tools, it's all up to him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Deangelo Hall's play against TO is one of the more impressive performance's I've seen from a CB in years. He completely took him out of the game. I would love for Houston to be able to perform like that. He has the tools, it's all up to him.If by "completely took him out of the game" you mean he gave up 7 catches for 112 yards, I guess you are right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwell1 Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 being physical is he strength. he was about to be benched for Foxworth last year for not being physical enough then he turned it up and owned Dwayne Bowe and ended up getting pick 6 because of that. He kept his starting spot because of that.In college Houston owned the best WR's in the counrty that was alot bigger than him because he manhandeled them at the line of scrimmage. Houston's arms are huge and Jamaal once said that Houston benches over 400 pounds. being physical is what made him successful against the Dwayne Jarretts and Dwayne Bowe's in college.and on a personal note I HATE seeing retreating CB's before the ball is snapped, GET UP ON YOUR MAN DAMIT!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statick Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 Deangelo Hall's play against TO is one of the more impressive performance's I've seen from a CB in years. He completely took him out of the game. I would love for Houston to be able to perform like that. He has the tools, it's all up to him.The best thing D. Hall ever did in that game was to take that Iggles helmet and spike it into the turf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Top Flight Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 I don't intend for this to be a Houston bashing thread. Just a couple of legitimate questions and/or observations.I know a lot of people have said that CH gets good pass coverage position, but then fails to turn his head to find the ball. Others say he just flat out gets burned too often. Whatever your take, he obviously has not developed into the CB we hoped for on Draft Day - at least not yet. I was thinking of when D.Hall manned up against T.O. a couple of years ago. Owens had some catches and some yards, but NO TD's. Hall actually played T.O. very physically in that game. He was bumping him off the LOS, and keeping Owens from getting separation or getting into a rhythm. I don't understand why CH isn't that type of player. Here's what I tend to think: Houston is scary strong. I don't remember his stats, but he pressed a lot of weight coming out of college. Seems to me he could, and maybe should start giving receivers a good tap instead of giving them an 8 yard cushion. Instead of playing to his speed, maybe he should play to his strength - which is: his strength.Think that would make a difference? Or are most of you just ready to feed him to the wolves??actually T.O. did score on a long ball in the GA Dome against Hall. I remember......it was 38-28 Dallas....i'll look for a video link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwell1 Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 If by "completely took him out of the game" you mean he gave up 7 catches for 112 yards, I guess you are right.barely any of those yards came against Hall and if u looked at how many times McNabb threw at him versus how many catches he got u wouldn't make that statement. He couldn't get anything against Hall so,like a smart coach would do, he was moved to the slot to get some more opportunities to get the ball.the same thing happened last year. Houston shut down Bowe so they moved him to Grime's side and like every other game Brent started he gave up a TD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 The Cardinals gave up more TD passes than any team in 25 years last year and they made the Super Bowl, and thier starting left corner from that game is unemployed right now. Just saying.The Cardinals defense showed in the playoffs. Couldn't play enough defense to win it all though. The only team to win a Bowl with a sub par regular season defense was the IND team and they led the league in defense during the playoffs and carried Manning to a Bowl. Keep thinking we're gonna shoot our way to a Lombardi. Didn't NO try that last year? So have many other teams. Trust me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bossFALCON™ Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 the games where he's played physical he's done pretty good (vs CAR '07, vs KC '08), it's just that we don't see that very much. he doesn't give up a lot of TDs (i think only 2 last year) but he gives up long *** third downs and just other stupid catches because he plays so far off all the time. i think that's one of the reasons our corners suck so bad. they give the WRs ******* 10 yds every play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwell1 Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 actually T.O. did score on a long ball in the GA Dome against Hall. I remember......it was 38-28 Dallas....i'll look for a video linkthat was after Hall digressed. He's talking about the 05 season opener against Philly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peyton Posted September 9, 2009 Share Posted September 9, 2009 The Cardinals defense showed in the playoffs. Couldn't play enough defense to win it all though. The only team to win a Bowl with a sub par regular season defense was the IND team and they led the league in defense during the playoffs and carried Manning to a Bowl. Keep thinking we're gonna shoot our way to a Lombardi. Didn't NO try that last year? So have many other teams. Trust me.No, you're right, the Falcons D is going to have to show in the playoffs. I do think the Falcons offense will be good enough to get them to the playoffs without the D being great, but they are going to need to mature by the time the playoffs start. I think they will. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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