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Why do right wingnuts assume liberals hate America, when the USA was founded by the most liberal, left wing group of all?

Hint: Liberal shares the same base word as Liberty, and Library.

liberal (adj.) Look up liberal at Dictionary.com

c.1375, from O.Fr. liberal "befitting free men, noble, generous," from L. liberalis "noble, generous," lit. "pertaining to a free man," from liber "free," from PIE base *leudheros (cf. Gk. eleutheros "free"), probably originally "belonging to the people" (though the precise semantic development is obscure), from *leudho- "people" (cf. O.C.S. ljudu, Lith. liaudis, O.E. leod, Ger. Leute "nation, people"). Earliest reference in Eng. is to the liberal arts (L. artes liberales; see art (n.)), the seven attainments directed to intellectual enlargement, not immediate practical purpose, and thus deemed worthy of a free man (the word in this sense was opposed to servile or mechanical). Sense of "free in bestowing" is from 1387. With a meaning "free from restraint in speech or action" (1490) liberal was used 16c.-17c. as a term of reproach. It revived in a positive sense in the Enlightenment, with a meaning "free from prejudice, tolerant," which emerged 1776-88. Purely in ref. to political opinion, "tending in favor of freedom and democracy" it dates from c.1801, from Fr. libéral, originally applied in Eng. by its opponents (often in Fr. form and with suggestions of foreign lawlessness) to the party favorable to individual political freedoms. But also (especially in U.S. politics) tending to mean "favorable to government action to effect social change," which seems at times to draw more from the religious sense of "free from prejudice in favor of traditional opinions and established institutions" (and thus open to new ideas and plans of reform), which dates from 1823.

"Conservative, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others." [Ambrose Bierce, "Devil's Dictionary," 1911]

The noun meaning "member of the Liberal party of Great Britain" is from 1820. Liberalism is first attested 1819.

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I CAN TELL YOU WHY WE HATE YOU.

NEVER THOUGHT THAT ELECTION WOULD

COME OUT LIKE THAT DID YOU? IT WAS A

STINGING INDICTMENT, AND A BITTER PILL

FOR THE CONSERVATIVE JOKERS TO

SWALLOW ... the pain and agony of defeat. :lol::lol::lol:

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Why do right wingnuts assume liberals hate America, when the USA was founded by the most liberal, left wing group of all?

Hint: Liberal shares the same base word as Liberty, and Library.

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So....

America was founded by Librarians?

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Well, Conservative shares the same base word as consecutive and construction and conference room!

Thank you! I'll be here all week. Try the veal.

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Hate America???

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Why can't you get a case of Coronas, a couple blunts, some Allman Brothers Fillmore East, a hot babe.........and forget about it?

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as you say america we how u say.... ate?

we ate pancake?

i am pan of cake or ?

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library?

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this thread is like chewing on acid soaked tampons.

this coming from a guy who created a thread about foods that are hotttttt....

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Hmmmmmm, Conservatives are just angry cause we lost the election, and the country was founded by liberals. Well atleast both of those are wrong.

Why does our president bow to the Saudi king and yet wont salute our flag?

Why do the Liberals cry foul when our soldiers die at war but want abortion to be legal?

Why does a Liberal President swear to protect this country and then want to take our guns away?

Yeah, he loves America, let me tell you.

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Hmmmmmm, Conservatives are just angry cause we lost the election, and the country was founded by liberals. Well atleast both of those are wrong.

Why does our president bow to the Saudi king and yet wont salute our flag?

Why do the Liberals cry foul when our soldiers die at war but want abortion to be legal?

Why does a Liberal President swear to protect this country and then want to take our guns away?

Yeah, he loves America, let me tell you.

You're an ignoramus. And a Cowboys fan apparently. That's redundant, I know.

First, conservatives DID lose this last election, and the founding fathers ARE considered very liberal for their time period. That you do not know the actual meaning of the word "liberal" is irrelevant.

Now as for your idiotic questions:

1. Obama has saluted the flag and raised his hand to his chest during the pledge or national anthem many times. There are pictures of Bush floating around not "saluting the flag" as well. And do you have any idea how much of a brown-shirt nationalist you sound like when you complain that someone didn't salute a **** flag? And as for bowing to a foreign head of state- what's your point? Should the POTUS do like a fake hand-shake and then run his hand over his hair all slick-like? What do you want?

2. I think you'll find it's a lot more than just liberals (again, that word you have no understanding of) that "cry foul" when US troops die in useless wars. And what does abortion have to do with conservatism? TRUE conservatism that is, not this mentally defective compulsion to control others' behavior that we know as "christian conservatism".

3. Please cite laws or bills Obama has signed or endorsed that "take our guns away". I'll wait...oh that's right, there are none. Just more hysterical BS and fear-mongering. Truth be told, it's dumbazzes like you spreading this nonsense that have driven up the cost of ammunition for everyone and made going to the range on weekends that much more expensive.

And before you accuse me of being some word you don't know the meaning of (I think it starts with an "L"), let me inform you that i did NOT vote for Obama, nor am I a democrat. There are valid criticisms to made of any president, including the present one. But the ignorant, misinformed crap you spew ain't it.

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What does abortion have to with people dyin in war, thats simple. Why cry foul when 4,000 men and women die at war protecting this country when 40,000,000 babies have been killed since Roe vs Wade. That makes the men and women weve lost in Iraq look microscopic. At least the men and women that went over seas knew what they were getting into and volunteered. Does a baby get that choice? No. Dont you also find it hypocritical that a human being that was allowed to develop over 9 months, then was birthed by their mother, has the gall to kill an innocent baby, and not give it the same rights they were given?

As far as Obama not signing or endorsing a bill to get rid of guns.........

Obama wants gun control

Story Discussion RALPH MUECKE Gladstone | Posted: Sunday, August 16, 2009 12:00 am | (0) Comments

Font Size: Default font size Larger font size Obama wants gun control by secrecy

Obama's war on prosperity is well under way. Also, a war on our rights … particularly the right to bear arms guaranteed by the Second Amendment!

Two bills are now before Congress, maybe more. One is HR45, the Blair Holt Firearm Licensing & Record of Sale Act of 2009. Basically, this "little" piece of legislation would make it illegal to own a firearm any rifle with a clip or any pistol unless:

n It is registered.

n You're fingerprinted.

n You supply a current driver's license and Social Security number.

n You submit to a physical and mental evaluation at any time of their choosing.

n Each update change of ownership through private or public sale - must be reported and costs $25. If you fail to do so, you automatically lose the right to own a firearm and are subject to a year in jail.

Guns must be locked and inaccessible to children under 18. Government would have the right to come and inspect, and if they find you not in compliance, you could spend up to five years in prison.

This is Obama gun control by secrecy and only a foot in the door. The main goal is to confiscate all guns. It has nothing to do with controlling crime, violence, etc.

The Second Amendment guarantees us the right to bear arms to protect ourselves, families, businesses and property, and defend ourselves from tyrannical government. The real reason Obama wants gun control is guns are the only thing standing in the way of imposition of Obama-style government. After they have our guns, they will have nothing to fear. As always its all about power and control. Remember, criminals and terrorists will always have guns. Think about it.

They have no right to impose this bill on us. We have rights given us by the Constitution, you do know what that is right?

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What does abortion have to with people dyin in war, thats simple. Why cry foul when 4,000 men and women die at war protecting this country when 40,000,000 babies have been killed since Roe vs Wade. That makes the men and women weve lost in Iraq look microscopic. At least the men and women that went over seas knew what they were getting into and volunteered. Does a baby get that choice? No. Dont you also find it hypocritical that a human being that was allowed to develop over 9 months, then was birthed by their mother, has the gall to kill an innocent baby, and not give it the same rights they were given?

There is no way of knowing those 40,000,000 "babies" would have even made it to birth. Your example of a 9-month baby being killed is a tiny, tiny portion of abortions and it's illegal most everywhere (which I agree with). Unless the fetus is viable, meaning it could survive and exist without the mother, then I consider that to be part of a woman's body. And you, me, and especially the government, have NO BUSINESS telling women what to do with their bodies.

So if you don't see the obvious difference between undeveloped fetuses and grown humans, particularly US soldiers dying violently in a war we never should've started in the first place, then that's YOUR problem.

Also, just food for thought: Why haven't any of the Republican presidents who claim to be "christian conservatives" overturned Roe v. Wade? And what were our Founding Fathers' thoughts on abortion? Was it legal in the 13 colonies? After the nation was formed? Do some research.

As far as Obama not signing or endorsing a bill to get rid of guns.........

They have no right to impose this bill on us. We have rights given us by the Constitution, you do know what that is right?

That laughably biased article didn't show up in the quote for whatever reason. Anyway, the proposed legislation seems to call for gun registration and higher levels of compliance, not outright confiscation. The rest of the article is fear-mongering speculation that has no basis in reality. And it's a moot point anyway because you and I both know this bill will never pass. They will never confiscate our guns, because there simply is not enough manpower in the world to do so. It would cost a huge amount of money and probably spark a revolution. Believe it or not, politicians like their comfy existence.

Like I said earlier, it's mindless fear-mongering and only serves to make it more expensive for people to go to the shooting range.

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There is no way of knowing those 40,000,000 "babies" would have even made it to birth. Your example of a 9-month baby being killed is a tiny, tiny portion of abortions and it's illegal most everywhere (which I agree with). Unless the fetus is viable, meaning it could survive and exist without the mother, then I consider that to be part of a woman's body. And you, me, and especially the government, have NO BUSINESS telling women what to do with their bodies.

So if you don't see the obvious difference between undeveloped fetuses and grown humans, particularly US soldiers dying violently in a war we never should've started in the first place, then that's YOUR problem.

Also, just food for thought: Why haven't any of the Republican presidents who claim to be "christian conservatives" overturned Roe v. Wade? And what were our Founding Fathers' thoughts on abortion? Was it legal in the 13 colonies? After the nation was formed? Do some research.

A baby is a baby at conception. You can tell yourself any lie you want to, but a fetus is a human being. EVERY human being goes through stages of development, doesnt make them any less human. The moment the sperm and egg merge and the woman becomes pregnant that is a human being.

Now as far as the whole "you have no right to tell a woman what to do with her body", THATS NOT HER BODY SHES KILLING THATS ANOTHER LIFE. You close minded, selfish people that actually believe that a woman has the right to commit murder because the person is inside her blow me away. What kind of thinking is that? I find it shocking that abortion is legal but murder is not. In fact, anyone associated with an abortion is an accessory to murder. Think about it. You can use all the science and loop holes you want to try to throw at me, but in the end that is a life you are taking. That is actually premeditated murder.

Premeditated murder is the crime of wrongfully causing the death of another human being (also known as murder) after rationally considering the timing or method of doing so. Premeditated murder is usually defined as one of the most serious forms of homicide, and is punished more severely than manslaughter or other types of murder - usually with the death penalty or a life sentence without the possibility of parole.

The question you bring up of those babies not making it to birth is rather irrelevant seeing as though no one will know cause they didnt get that chance.

As far as turning over Roe vs Wade, if you didnt know, the president cant do or pass anything alone. He needs the full support of Congress. If Congress were to veto a bill that the President tries to pass then there is nothing he can do. Now, if the President vetoes a bill from Congress they get to revote and if it passes its in. So in turn, who really has more power? Also, isnt that more of a Supreme Court decision? I find people like you, that think the President actually has all the power, funny. Obviously someone was asleep in Government.

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A baby is a baby at conception. You can tell yourself any lie you want to, but a fetus is a human being. EVERY human being goes through stages of development, doesnt make them any less human. The moment the sperm and egg merge and the woman becomes pregnant that is a human being.

Now as far as the whole "you have no right to tell a woman what to do with her body", THATS NOT HER BODY SHES KILLING THATS ANOTHER LIFE. You close minded, selfish people that actually believe that a woman has the right to commit murder because the person is inside her blow me away. What kind of thinking is that? I find it shocking that abortion is legal but murder is not. In fact, anyone associated with an abortion is an accessory to murder. Think about it. You can use all the science and loop holes you want to try to throw at me, but in the end that is a life you are taking. That is actually premeditated murder.

The question you bring up of those babies not making it to birth is rather irrelevant seeing as though no one will know cause they didnt get that chance.

As far as turning over Roe vs Wade, if you didnt know, the president cant do or pass anything alone. He needs the full support of Congress. If Congress were to veto a bill that the President tries to pass then there is nothing he can do. Now, if the President vetoes a bill from Congress they get to revote and if it passes its in. So in turn, who really has more power? Also, isnt that more of a Supreme Court decision? I find people like you, that think the President actually has all the power, funny. Obviously someone was asleep in Government.

"In fact, anyone associated with an abortion is an accessory to murder. " You need to look up what "fact" means.

And yes, the fact (note, ACTUALLY a fact) that a fetus is not viable outside of the mother's womb makes all the difference to me. It's not murder. I would consider so-called "partial birth" abortions homicide because the baby could feasibly survive outside the mother. These should be banned (as they are almost everywhere already).

Look, I am personally against abortion. I would not accept my girl having one. I just don't believe it's murder and I don't think government should have the authority to tell a woman what to do with HER body.

And dude, trust me, you're not telling me anything about how our government works. Fully aware the POTUS cannot affect a change in Roe v. Wade by himself. But with control of both houses (Remember W?), they could definitely ram through legislation and make the increasingly conservative Supreme Court take a look at it. So why don't they? Because abortion is the same as gay marriage or flag-burning: an inconsequential non-issue that no politician actually gives a darn about. They just use it as a hot-button "issue" to rile up fanatics like yourself into the voter base.

Frankly, I think you were asleep in "Government" and "History". You're the one spouting off ignorant nonsense about socialism. Look up maximum tax rates under previous presidents, including "champions of conservatism" like Reagan or Eisenhower. If anything, Obama is simply continuing the job of George W Bush, who according to most mouth-breathers like you, was a conservative.

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You know what, there are 3 major issues to me, and really thats all that matters.

1) Abortion - it should be illegal, no matter what stage, its still a person. You have to be a fetus before you can be an infant, so in fact thats still a person at a different stage. As I said before, use any loop hole you want, you are wrong. Just as a seed has many stages before it becomes a tree, so does a human growing in the womb. Doesnt make it any less human. Thats what you dont seem to understand, at NO point is a fetus not human.

2) Taxes should be done away with, thats one of the reasons our forefathers left England. In fact, Id like for you to show me where it is a law to pay taxes. You wont be able to, there isnt one. Im sure you wont believe me on that one either. When this country was founded it was against the law to tax citizens, taxes were only meant for businesses.

3) The most important, the President of the United States should be a Christian. This country was founded by Christians and it should go back to that. If the ACLU or any other bunch of Atheists have a problem with that they should find a new place to live. One nation, under GOD, always has been always will be.

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You know what, there are 3 major issues to me, and really thats all that matters.

1) Abortion - it should be illegal, no matter what stage, its still a person. You have to be a fetus before you can be an infant, so in fact thats still a person at a different stage. As I said before, use any loop hole you want, you are wrong. Just as a seed has many stages before it becomes a tree, so does a human growing in the womb. Doesnt make it any less human. Thats what you dont seem to understand, at NO point is a fetus not human.

2) Taxes should be done away with, thats one of the reasons our forefathers left England. In fact, Id like for you to show me where it is a law to pay taxes. You wont be able to, there isnt one. Im sure you wont believe me on that one either. When this country was founded it was against the law to tax citizens, taxes were only meant for businesses.

3) The most important, the President of the United States should be a Christian. This country was founded by Christians and it should go back to that. If the ACLU or any other bunch of Atheists have a problem with that they should find a new place to live. One nation, under GOD, always has been always will be.

1. Agree to disagree. Believe what you want.

2. The 16th amendment. I agree with your premise, other than that.

3. Ridiculous. Go move to Afghanistan- you'll fit in better. Seriously, you have no place talking about our forefathers if you make idiotic statements like that.

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1. Agree to disagree. Believe what you want.

2. The 16th amendment. I agree with your premise, other than that.

3. Ridiculous. Go move to Afghanistan- you'll fit in better. Seriously, you have no place talking about our forefathers if you make idiotic statements like that.

So Im being ridiculous by saying this was once a Christian nation? I should move to a Muslim dominated nation because of it? Ok, that makes no sense at all. Go back in history if you dont believe me. Here are some quotes for you.

John Adams and John Hancock:

We Recognize No Sovereign but God, and no King but Jesus! [April 18, 1775]

Samuel Adams: | Portrait of Sam Adams | Powerpoint presentation on John, John Quincy, and Sam Adams

“ He who made all men hath made the truths necessary to human happiness obvious to all… Our forefathers opened the Bible to all.” [ "American Independence," August 1, 1776. Speech delivered at the State House in Philadelphia]

“ Let divines and philosophers, statesmen and patriots, unite their endeavors to renovate the age by impressing the minds of men with the importance of educating their little boys and girls, inculcating in the minds of youth the fear and love of the Deity… and leading them in the study and practice of the exalted virtues of the Christian system.” [October 4, 1790]

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John Quincy Adams:

• “Why is it that, next to the birthday of the Savior of the world, your most joyous and most venerated festival returns on this day [the Fourth of July]?" “Is it not that, in the chain of human events, the birthday of the nation is indissolubly linked with the birthday of the Savior? That it forms a leading event in the progress of the Gospel dispensation? Is it not that the Declaration of Independence first organized the social compact on the foundation of the Redeemer's mission upon earth? That it laid the cornerstone of human government upon the first precepts of Christianity"?

--1837, at the age of 69, when he delivered a Fourth of July speech at Newburyport, Massachusetts.

Benjamin Franklin: | Portrait of Ben Franklin

“ God governs in the affairs of man. And if a sparrow cannot fall to the ground without his notice, is it probable that an empire can rise without His aid? We have been assured in the Sacred Writings that except the Lord build the house, they labor in vain that build it. I firmly believe this. I also believe that, without His concurring aid, we shall succeed in this political building no better than the builders of Babel” –Constitutional Convention of 1787 | original manuscript of this speech

“In the beginning of the contest with Britain, when we were sensible of danger, we had daily prayers in this room for Divine protection. Our prayers, Sir, were heard, and they were graciously answered… do we imagine we no longer need His assistance?” [Constitutional Convention, Thursday June 28, 1787]

In Benjamin Franklin's 1749 plan of education for public schools in Pennsylvania, he insisted that schools teach "the excellency of the Christian religion above all others, ancient or modern."

In 1787 when Franklin helped found Benjamin Franklin University, it was dedicated as "a nursery of religion and learning, built on Christ, the Cornerstone."

Alexander Hamilton:

• Hamilton began work with the Rev. James Bayard to form the Christian Constitutional Society to help spread over the world the two things which Hamilton said made America great:

(1) Christianity

(2) a Constitution formed under Christianity.

“The Christian Constitutional Society, its object is first: The support of the Christian religion. Second: The support of the United States.”

On July 12, 1804 at his death, Hamilton said, “I have a tender reliance on the mercy of the Almighty, through the merits of the Lord Jesus Christ. I am a sinner. I look to Him for mercy; pray for me.”

"For my own part, I sincerely esteem it [the Constitution] a system which without the finger of God, never could have been suggested and agreed upon by such a diversity of interests." [1787 after the Constitutional Convention]

"I have carefully examined the evidences of the Christian religion, and if I was sitting as a juror upon its authenticity I would unhesitatingly give my verdict in its favor. I can prove its truth as clearly as any proposition ever submitted to the mind of man."

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John Hancock:

• “In circumstances as dark as these, it becomes us, as Men and Christians, to reflect that whilst every prudent measure should be taken to ward off the impending judgments, …at the same time all confidence must be withheld from the means we use; and reposed only on that God rules in the armies of Heaven, and without His whole blessing, the best human counsels are but foolishness… Resolved; …Thursday the 11th of May…to humble themselves before God under the heavy judgments felt and feared, to confess the sins that have deserved them, to implore the Forgiveness of all our transgressions, and a spirit of repentance and reformation …and a Blessing on the … Union of the American Colonies in Defense of their Rights [for which hitherto we desire to thank Almighty God]…That the people of Great Britain and their rulers may have their eyes opened to discern the things that shall make for the peace of the nation…for the redress of America’s many grievances, the restoration of all her invaded liberties, and their security to the latest generations.

"A Day of Fasting, Humiliation and Prayer, with a total abstinence from labor and recreation. Proclamation on April 15, 1775"

Patrick Henry:

"Orator of the Revolution."

• This is all the inheritance I can give my dear family. The religion of Christ can give them one which will make them rich indeed.”

—The Last Will and Testament of Patrick Henry

It cannot be emphasized too clearly and too often that this nation was founded, not by religionists, but by Christians; not on religion, but on the gospel of Jesus Christ. For this very reason, peoples of other faiths have been afforded asylum, prosperity, and freedom of worship here.” [May 1765 Speech to the House of Burgesses]

“The Bible is worth all other books which have ever been printed.”

Thomas Jefferson:

“ The doctrines of Jesus are simple, and tend to all the happiness of man.”

“Of all the systems of morality, ancient or modern which have come under my observation, none appears to me so pure as that of Jesus.”

"I am a real Christian, that is to say, a disciple of the doctrines of Jesus."

“God who gave us life gave us liberty. And can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these liberties are a gift from God? That they are not to be violated but with His wrath? Indeed I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just, and that His justice cannot sleep forever.” (excerpts are inscribed on the walls of the Jefferson Memorial in the nations capital) [source: Merrill . D. Peterson, ed., Jefferson Writings, (New York: Literary Classics of the United States, Inc., 1984), Vol. IV, p. 289. From Jefferson’s Notes on the State of Virginia, Query XVIII, 1781.]

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Samuel Johnston:

• “It is apprehended that Jews, Mahometans (Muslims), pagans, etc., may be elected to high offices under the government of the United States. Those who are Mahometans, or any others who are not professors of the Christian religion, can never be elected to the office of President or other high office, [unless] first the people of America lay aside the Christian religion altogether, it may happen. Should this unfortunately take place, the people will choose such men as think as they do themselves.

[Elliot’s Debates, Vol. IV, pp 198-199, Governor Samuel Johnston, July 30, 1788 at the North Carolina Ratifying Convention]

There are more if you want them. This was a nation founded on Christianity. So Ill put it like you did. If you dont like it, you are free to go. I want this country put back the way it started. For those that dont agree, nothing is holding anyone here.

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No, this is a nation founded on the ideals of religious freedom and personal liberty. There are just as many, if not more, quotes from our founding fathers damning religion and religious establishments. Look it up yourself.

To say the POTUS must be Christian is absolutely ridiculous. And Obama IS Christian. Or at least as Christian as any national politician can be. Why don't you think he is?

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His actions surely dont say it. It doesnt matter what proof I give you will ignore it or try to refute, so believe what you want. Not everyone that says they are a Christian, really are. There are some out there that go to church so they think they are a Christian, thats not what the Bible says. So if you wanna believe Obama is a Christian, go right ahead, but his fruit says something else.

Believe what you want, if you dont want to call this a Christian nation then you are blind. The ideals behind this nation were and still should be the morals and values taught in Christianity. I find it funny that you even try to fight that with "In God We Trust" on our money and "One Nation Under God" in our pledge. The only people that dont believe this nation was founded on Christianity are the ones that dont want to think it was or those that dont believe in anything. Giving freedom of religion is not to say that we arent a Christian nation. Were just not a nation that opresses people into believing what we do. Thats called freedom. You have no freedom at all if choice is taken away. Thats still not to say that the fathers of this country werent Christian, because most if not all were. You can fight that all day, but youll be wrong.

You keep telling me Im wrong about everything, and yet I show you where Im right and you still refute it. So Im done. Go on believing the lies the system is feeding you. It wont be long before you know the truth, and trust me, you are far from it.

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enlightened is owning u...just stop it

How so? Because he posts a bunch of out-of-context quotes? Are you trying to say the "POTUS needs to be christian" argument is in any way valid? The founders of this country were far from agreement as far as theology- but they all undertood the dangers of organized religion and official (state) recognition thereof. Simply google "founding fathers christian" for further proof.

I'm sorry- I'm not gonna take the time to spell out everything. I won't spam the board with every quote to the contrary. Anyone with half a brain knows that I'm right and this theocrat dooshbag is DEAD WRONG.

The "ideals behind this nation", as the phrase he chooses to use, are based on RELIGIOUS FREEDOM. It is clear as day and you are simply ignorant if you don't see that. This is basic history and civics.

The laws of this country are overwhelmingly based on English common law (except in Louisiana), NOT some religion.

He is factually WRONG. I am factually correct. If you can't see that, then that's your problem.

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Enlightened, it's really cute that you believe a bunch of religious quotes from some of the founding fathers constitutes this country as a "christian nation".

Please, if you would, point me to the article of the constitution referencing its foundation to the bible.

Or the mention of your christian god.

How about any form of supernatural deity at all?

I'll be waiting.

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