cooperbh Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 Well?Because, according to many on these boards, the rebuilding phase is long since over. Our time is now. Right now. In fact, it has been suggested that our championship window is already closing. Are such expectations even remotely realistic? Is it reasonable to expect every hole to be filled less than two years removed from a disasterous 4-12 season? If so, then surely some of our more learned members can point to one of the many times throughout NFL history that a new FO has taken control of a disfunctional franchise and completely turned it all around in the same amount of time, right?Right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncja Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 Panthers went 1-15 in 2001, 7-9 in 2002, and lost in the Super Bowl by 3 in 2003. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltstorm2 Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 Well?Because, according to many on these boards, the rebuilding phase is long since over. Our time is now. Right now. In fact, it has been suggested that our championship window is already closing. Are such expectations even remotely realistic? Is it reasonable to expect every hole to be filled less than two years removed from a disasterous 4-12 season? If so, then surely some of our more learned members can point to one of the many times throughout NFL history that a new FO has taken control of a disfunctional franchise and completely turned it all around in the same amount of time, right?Right?1998 St. Louis rams were 4-12. Super Bowl champs in 1999.2000 Patriots were 5-11. Super Bowl champs in 2001. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DriveHomeSafelyAtlantaWins Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 I came here to say that, with the amount of flux in the NFL, I bet things like that have happened a fair number of times. Only to see the first couple of posts prove it.But you're right about one thing -- we still have a weak defensive roster. It has tons of potential, but not a lot of awesomeness right now. It was weak last year, and possibly even weaker this year, but should be looking pretty good *next* year. So we are clearly still "in the process" of rebuilding. I had hoped we were further along than it looks like we are ... but the future still looks very bright. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltstorm2 Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 Yep anything can happen. We may have to score 45 points a game to win, but wins are still possible. And who knows maybe by week 5 or ,shoot maybe even week 1 our defense suprises more people than just some of the fans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperbh Posted September 5, 2009 Author Share Posted September 5, 2009 Panthers went 1-15 in 2001, 7-9 in 2002, and lost in the Super Bowl by 3 in 2003.So, that's a "no, it hasn't been done," then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ltstorm2 Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 So, that's a "no, it hasn't been done," then.Did you read any of the other replies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperbh Posted September 5, 2009 Author Share Posted September 5, 2009 1998 St. Louis rams were 4-12. Super Bowl champs in 1999.2000 Patriots were 5-11. Super Bowl champs in 2001.**** Vermeil was hired in 1997. Superbowl came in year three.Belichick took over an 8-8 team with a top 10 defense that had been to the playoffs three years in a row before that .500 season (including a Superbowl appearance.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperbh Posted September 5, 2009 Author Share Posted September 5, 2009 Did you read any of the other replies?I was getting to it.Also, I clearly meant to say "Richard" Vermeil. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncja Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 So, that's a "no, it hasn't been done," then.The Panther situation is closer to us then the Rams or the Patriots. They had a dismal year in 2001(Our 2007). New coaching staff in 2002, they go 7-9. In 2003 they got the big free agent RB in Stephen Davis(2008 we got Turner). They also acquired Delhomme(which was leaps and bounds better than Wienke in 2001, and Peete in 2002). It's a VERY similar situation. And so to answer his original question, we are in the same time frame as the Panthers. Year 2 of the rebuilding process is when they went, and where we are. I'm not sure if I can spell it out any further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperbh Posted September 5, 2009 Author Share Posted September 5, 2009 The Panther situation is closer to us then the Rams or the Patriots. They had a dismal year in 2001(Our 2007). New coaching staff in 2002, they go 7-9. In 2003 they got the big free agent RB in Stephen Davis(2008 we got Turner). They also acquired Delhomme(which was leaps and bounds better than Wienke in 2001, and Peete in 2002). It's a VERY similar situation. And so to answer his original question, we are in the same time frame as the Panthers. Year 2 of the rebuilding process is when they went, and where we are. I'm not sure if I can spell it out any further.Well, I was already aware of the teams that had made it to the Superbowl after having six or less wins two seasons before (The other two, in case you were wondering, were the '81 Bengals and '98 Falcons.)I wanted to know which teams had actually won the Superbowl - because teams that come from nowhere only to lose that particular game tend to backslide for substantial periods of time afterward (see the '83, '84, '85, '86, '87 Bengals, the '99, '00, '01, '03, '05, '06, '07 Falcons and the '04, '06, '07 Panthers.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finally Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 Well I guess I shouldn't bother watching this year or going to any games. It is all hopeless people. Put your falcons gear up on ebay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1989Fan Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 the cowboys went from 1-15 to SB but I dont recall how long it took, but it wasnt long. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capologist Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 On average it looks like it's year 2 after the bad year. I'd cite the Cowboys and Redskins in the 80's as examples... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 I see us building an opportunity to win over the course of a several year period. I think you build for stretch of years and if you happen to win right away as the Pats did that's great but atypical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperbh Posted September 5, 2009 Author Share Posted September 5, 2009 the cowboys went from 1-15 to SB but I dont recall how long it took, but it wasnt long.Jimmy Johnson took over in '89. Cowboys went to SB four years later in '92. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperbh Posted September 5, 2009 Author Share Posted September 5, 2009 On average it looks like it's year 2 after the bad year. I'd cite the Cowboys and Redskins in the 80's as examples...The Cowboys never went to a SB in the '80's.The team Joe Gibbs inherited in '81 didn't even have a losing record, let alone 5 or less wins. Plus, the SB the Skins won in '82 came in a strike year where the season started in November and 16 teams made the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperbh Posted September 5, 2009 Author Share Posted September 5, 2009 Well I guess I shouldn't bother watching this year or going to any games. It is all hopeless people. Put your falcons gear up on ebay.Or maybe just temper expectations somewhat. But whatever works fer ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capologist Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 The Cowboys never went to a SB in the '80's.The team Joe Gibbs inherited in '81 didn't even have a losing record, let alone 5 or less wins. Plus, the SB the Skins won in '82 came in a strike year where the season started in November and 16 teams made the playoffs.Sorry, I was referring to the Redskins of the 80's, I should have separated that to avoid confusion.Actually, the team he inherited went 6-10 the previous year. His first year was 8-8 and won the Super Bowl in his second season as coach... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finally Posted September 5, 2009 Share Posted September 5, 2009 Or maybe just temper expectations somewhat. But whatever works fer ya.Meh. I am sick of tempered expectations. That has been our sad motto for too long. I expect them to win a sb. It may not happen but I will still expect it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cooperbh Posted September 5, 2009 Author Share Posted September 5, 2009 Sorry, I was referring to the Redskins of the 80's, I should have separated that to avoid confusion.Actually, the team he inherited went 6-10 the previous year. His first year was 8-8 and won the Super Bowl in his second season as coach...Oops. I meant to say that the regime - not the team - that preceeded Gibbs (Pardee) didn't have a losing record. (Those teams went 8-8, 10-6 and, as you pointed out, 6-10.)Point is, Gibbs inherited an average team that included peices like Joe Theisman, Art Monk, Dave Butz, Jeff Bostic, George Stark and a top 10 defense. Nothing close to the mess TD inherited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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