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From What I've heard, Gonzo plans to play for us for about 2 years.

In my mind, our top needs are CB (one who is 6 ft. or taller please) and OLB, followed by RT possibly.

However, it is not everyday that you have the most successful player to ever play his position come to your team, and it is crucial to take advantage of that.

Could you see us waiting in the draft to pick up needs on Defense, in order to take a guy like Jermaine Gresham in the first round? It would be the closest thing to a sure bet in the draft, taking one of the top ranked college TEs in the past few years, and allowing to learn under the greatest TE of all time. I think it would also promote continuity for our offense, as Ryan will now be figuring TE more heavily into his reads with Tony Gonzalez here.

While I know defense wins championships, between our fairly young O-line, our young QB, our decent aged receivers and RBs, I think we have a window of about 3-4 seasons of all of those guys staying together and performing at a high level, and solidifying that with a young Tight end to pick up where Gonzalez left off might be the key to making this team one of the more dominant in the league offensively. It would truly be a shame if we ended up not taking advantage of the hall of famer we have here, and give a young guy at least one year of studying under him.

And if you don't think we need to worry about that, are there any tight ends you think we could draft in the third round or later who could be really good for us?

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I like that idea. Bring in a top-tier college TE and let Gonzo mentor him to take over after he retires. There wouldn't be a better guy to learn from. I haven't looked at all the prospects, but if there is a guy later than first round that has a lot of potential, I'd be a little happier to get a TE later.

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While yes, it is ideal we focus on rebuilding our defense, if things go well, and we are picking 20-32 in each of the next 2-3 years, that's a great place to be. We will be able to pick best player available as opposed to where we were in 2008 when we HAD to pick a QB. We're also banking heavily on our development from the later rounds. We don't have to take a TE in the 1st round round. We could pick one up in the 4th or 5th to work under Gonzalez.

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That thought had crossed my mind also, but I'm starting to think Gonzo may have more than 2 years left in him. Especially if we're competing for Super Bowls every year. If Favre can play into his forties, why can't Gonzo? He's in ten times better shape than Brett and looks like he hasn't lost a step. That being said, I would love to have Gresham. If he has another big year, he might go top ten in the draft. He's a game changer.

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Gonzo said he might play three years depending how his body felt. Still it might be wise to draft his replacement at some point within the next two years. However, it's still way too early to start speculating what our needs will be for next year's draft. I want to see how Owens and Grimes work out for at least the first 6 games or so this year.

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I could see definitely see us drafting someone for Gonzo to mentor, but:

(a) I really expect Gonzo to play three years - he'll be having so much fun catching passes from Ryan, and we'll at least be in with a chance of winning a SB every season... I can only see him retiring after two years if he has already won a SB :)

(b ) I think we need to draft D in the first. We have a pretty good group of TEs already, who can play their role. My option would be to draft a high ceiling project in the mid rounds and let Gonzo (and Mularkey) shape him into a star.

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Exactly. Good all around TE. He would be my choice if we went TE. Gresham may have some character issues.

Gresham speaks: Maybe he shouldn’t

Posted by berrytramelon August 17, 2009 at 8:21 am When I said a couple of weeks ago that OU tight end Jermaine Gresham wasn’t talking to the media, I wasn’t exactly correct. Turns out, Gresham is talking to the media; he just isn’t doing interviews.

Last Friday after an OU practice, a group of reporters, maybe 20 in all, were gathered around Bob Stoops just outside the Switzer Center. The Sooners were filing into their locker room, and Gresham walked by. “A shoutout to Michael Vick,” Gresham yelled at the media. I don’t know how many heard him; I was actually turned in the direction of the players, so I heard it. A couple of seconds later, Gresham yelled again, “A shoutout to Michael Vick.”

The day before, Vick and the Eagles had agreed to a contract, so one of the NFL’s superstars was back in the league after a two-year absence due to a federal investigation, and subsequent conviction and prison term, for dog-fighting.

You can certainly understand why some college football players were Vick fans and are happy he’s back in the league. Heck, I’ve got no problem with Vick being back in the NFL. He served his time. Let him play.

But is Jermaine Gresham just daring NFL scouts to put a red flag by his name? Gresham is an all-world tight end who will go high in the draft. First half of the first round, almost certainly, and maybe about as high as a tight end can go. Tight ends typically don’t go in the draft’s top 10, but Gresham is such a special talent, he could threaten that barrier.

If he’ll stop being his own worst enemy. Gresham was arrested earlier this year for failing to pay a seat-belt fine. No big deal in the American judicial system, but certainly a sign that someone doesn’t take care of business. Then Gresham declares he’s not talking to the media because he didn’t like the way that story was handled — a two-inch story in one column on the front page of The Oklahoman sports page. Now Gresham is marching around yelling support for Vick, which certainly is Gresham’s right but won’t make NFL scouts think they’re dealing with a mature, thoughtful player. Vick is a polarizing figure. Empathy for Vick is not a bad thing. Public celebration for Vick is not a popular move for NFL owners.

The NFL is big business. Big and serious business. Teams spend a lot of money and do a lot of investigation on prospects. If you’re a step slower than the ideal, they mark it down. If you’ve had a few injuries, they mark it down. If you got into trouble in high school, they mark it down. If you show a lack of responsibility, they mark it down. If you show a lack of common sense, they mark it down.

That doesn’t mean teams won’t draft Gresham high. Or even just as high as they would have. But it also doesn’t mean teams will look only at Gresham’s height, weight, speed, hands and skill. Gresham could be costing himself money. If Randy Moss can fall all the way to 19th in the first round, Jermaine Gresham can slip a notch or two.

Someone at OU should have a talk with Gresham and explain the way the world works. Do what you want and blame anyone you want. But do certain things, and you’re only hurting yourself.

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If we win a Superbowl with Tony, we've taken advantage of him.

But I get what you are saying. But Tony is successful because of his dedication, not his skill. You can't teach dedication, you'd have to get someone to learn under him that wants to be the best and is willing to do whatever it takes to be the best.

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If we win a Superbowl with Tony, we've taken advantage of him.

But I get what you are saying. But Tony is successful because of his dedication, not his skill. You can't teach dedication, you'd have to get someone to learn under him that wants to be the best and is willing to do whatever it takes to be the best.

You can definitely teach dedication.

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If we win a Superbowl with Tony, we've taken advantage of him.

But I get what you are saying. But Tony is successful because of his dedication, not his skill. You can't teach dedication, you'd have to get someone to learn under him that wants to be the best and is willing to do whatever it takes to be the best.

That's not true. People can mature, look at Roddy White. He was unfocused his first few years, then was able to study under a true pro in Joe Horn and learned things he didn't know about, improving his WR skills. Supposedly even Jamaal Anderson has become more dedicated since last season ended.

Gresham has ability, and I haven't heard anything that says he has poor dedication, and that thing posted earlier about him shouting out to Mike Vick is near meaningless to me.

Pettigrew did WAY worse than give a shoutout to a dog-fighting quarterback.

I agree that it would be great if we could get a good TE prospect later though, because I am obsessed with our short cornerbacks going up against the seemingly ever taller receivers in this league, and have no qualms with us getting a tall one in the first.

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That's not true. People can mature, look at Roddy White. He was unfocused his first few years, then was able to study under a true pro in Joe Horn and learned things he didn't know about, improving his WR skills. Supposedly even Jamaal Anderson has become more dedicated since last season ended.

Gresham has ability, and I haven't heard anything that says he has poor dedication, and that thing posted earlier about him shouting out to Mike Vick is near meaningless to me.

Pettigrew did WAY worse than give a shoutout to a dog-fighting quarterback.

I agree that it would be great if we could get a good TE prospect later though, because I am obsessed with our short cornerbacks going up against the seemingly ever taller receivers in this league, and have no qualms with us getting a tall one in the first.

He matured, he wasn't taught to be dedicated, he decided to be. Everyone doesn't.

I wasn't saying Gresham, or any player in particular, isn't dedicated, just that that's the thing that helps Tony be one of the greatest to play the game. Same with Ryan, same with Peyton and Brady. Michael Vick has more talent than all 3 of those QBs. Look where he is now.

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He matured, he wasn't taught to be dedicated, he decided to be. Everyone doesn't.

I wasn't saying Gresham, or any player in particular, isn't dedicated, just that that's the thing that helps Tony be one of the greatest to play the game. Same with Ryan, same with Peyton and Brady. Michael Vick has more talent than all 3 of those QBs. Look where he is now.

By observing Horn he was "taught" that in order to run crisp routes and catch everything around you, it took lots of practice and dedication.

Hence you could say he was taught dedication.

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From What I've heard, Gonzo plans to play for us for about 2 years.

In my mind, our top needs are CB (one who is 6 ft. or taller please) and OLB, followed by RT possibly.

However, it is not everyday that you have the most successful player to ever play his position come to your team, and it is crucial to take advantage of that.

Could you see us waiting in the draft to pick up needs on Defense, in order to take a guy like Jermaine Gresham in the first round? It would be the closest thing to a sure bet in the draft, taking one of the top ranked college TEs in the past few years, and allowing to learn under the greatest TE of all time. I think it would also promote continuity for our offense, as Ryan will now be figuring TE more heavily into his reads with Tony Gonzalez here.

While I know defense wins championships, between our fairly young O-line, our young QB, our decent aged receivers and RBs, I think we have a window of about 3-4 seasons of all of those guys staying together and performing at a high level, and solidifying that with a young Tight end to pick up where Gonzalez left off might be the key to making this team one of the more dominant in the league offensively. It would truly be a shame if we ended up not taking advantage of the hall of famer we have here, and give a young guy at least one year of studying under him.

And if you don't think we need to worry about that, are there any tight ends you think we could draft in the third round or later who could be really good for us?

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I have been praying and thinking about this since the talk of us drafting a TE. I wanted us to wait, get a D lineman and the draft and draft a TE in the later portions (if any) so we dont put to much stock into him. Then next year draft GRESHAM!!!!! Who is way better than all the TE's in this past draft. And since we signed Gonzalez it works out even better because Gresham can be groomed under the GOAT. Here's to hoping we draft this guy, he is a problem!

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I think next years draft will be simple - look at the over 30 players on the roster and draft their replacements. That would be TE, Oline,esp.center, LB and DE. Put DE last because I think JA55's replacement has already been drafted. Not sure who it is, but he's probably on the roster from the last two drafts.

With the team re-signing C. Davis, drafting Bierman and Sidbury, and them being so unwilling to give up on Anderson, I'm certain his replacement is wearing an ATL jersey...

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