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How about something like the Democratic People's Republic of Korea? North Korea must have all their bases covered. Democracy doesn't mean what you assign to it above without the underlying foundation of freedom given by a system of laws enumerating such, i.e. a constitution establishing a free republic, including the right of free election.

what is a "free republic"? :blink:

again, look at plato's "the republic" where he proposes a philosopher king.

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Well the United states is approaching a Fascist state, because some of the precepts are strong control of private industry through legislation, and the control and prevention of criticism.

Democracy can take many forms, but for true democracy you would have to vote on all laws in a general election, instead of electing Representatives. You can have a hybrid democracy(creating democratically elected republic), similar to what we have, and what most countries enact when we "spread" democracy.

Republic is when some or all of the population elect or choose people to govern them. So if you have a group of 300 people choosing the 5 people to rule the country you still have a Republic but not a fully democratic republic. Also please note: The citizens did not elect Obama to be President, we elected the electoral college and they elected him. It is only in some states that the laws required college members to vote as their constituents voted, many can vote however they want, meaning they could have elected McCain and had it be legal.

Fascist state for economy from wiki: "Third Way" in economic policy, which they believed superior to both the rampant individualism of unrestrained capitalism and the severe control of state communism.[10][11] This was to be achieved by establishing significant government control over business and labour

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

As far as the stigma of conservatives goes, please watch the tv some and listen to how they are portrayed sometimes in very subtle and sometimes in not so subtle ways. Bible thumpers, rabid, corporate raider, pro-business looting, and greedy, while often the "liberals" are portrayed as thinkers, compassionate, forward thinking, and more sophisticated.

Simple exercise, how are the protests of the health care town hall meetings being portrayed versus how were the protesters to the Iraq war being portrayed?? How is the language different between them??

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Well the United states is approaching a Fascist state, because some of the precepts are strong control of private industry through legislation, and the control and prevention of criticism.

Democracy can take many forms, but for true democracy you would have to vote on all laws in a general election, instead of electing Representatives. You can have a hybrid democracy(creating democratically elected republic), similar to what we have, and what most countries enact when we "spread" democracy.

Republic is when some or all of the population elect or choose people to govern them. So if you have a group of 300 people choosing the 5 people to rule the country you still have a Republic but not a fully democratic republic. Also please note: The citizens did not elect Obama to be President, we elected the electoral college and they elected him. It is only in some states that the laws required college members to vote as their constituents voted, many can vote however they want, meaning they could have elected McCain and had it be legal.

Fascist state for economy from wiki: "Third Way" in economic policy, which they believed superior to both the rampant individualism of unrestrained capitalism and the severe control of state communism.[10][11] This was to be achieved by establishing significant government control over business and labour

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fascism

As far as the stigma of conservatives goes, please watch the tv some and listen to how they are portrayed sometimes in very subtle and sometimes in not so subtle ways. Bible thumpers, rabid, corporate raider, pro-business looting, and greedy, while often the "liberals" are portrayed as thinkers, compassionate, forward thinking, and more sophisticated.

Simple exercise, how are the protests of the health care town hall meetings being portrayed versus how were the protesters to the Iraq war being portrayed?? How is the language different between them??

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I was speaking of the presidency but if you wish to get technical, everyone has a term limit that does not exceed the point where he/she gets less votes than the other guy.

True, but the president doesn't pass laws, just signs them. Congress is where all laws are enacted.

I wish more politicians would run into their term limit, it would help consideralby.

Mizzu--ahh, I am sure you are so proud of your self portrait you posted, but really the foil on the kitty is a little over the top.

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what is a "free republic"? :blink:

again, look at plato's "the republic" where he proposes a philosopher king.

It's been years since I read Plato's Republic, but I'm not sure what point you're making with your reference. In a nutshell, a "free republic" would be a state that enumerates the rights of individual freedom, including suffrage, and defines the structure and role of government paying particular deference to individual liberty.

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It's been years since I read Plato's Republic, but I'm not sure what point you're making with your reference. In a nutshell, a "free republic" would be a state that enumerates the rights of individual freedom, including suffrage, and defines the structure and role of government paying particular deference to individual liberty.

so you're talking about a system that blends democratic and republican elements. again, a republic does not require public input into the policy-making process.

and before someone runs off to the dictionary, i would suggest also looking up the definition of "democracy" which includes elections of public officials. the dictionary definitions of republic and democracy are nearly identical, largely for hte reason that elijah stated.

the overall point is that the whole "republic versus democracy" thing is silly. america is a democracy. it's also a republic. and in truth, it's really neither in their pure forms. it's a hybrid system with elements of both.

we're seeing the democratic aspect hijacked by special interests and loud minorities who can prevent the nation as a whole from making important decisions supported by the vast majority of the public. democratic elections are the primary method by which the public influences policy decisions, and right now we've got a situation where the will of the majority is being thwarted because of the lack of mechanisms to impose party discipline.

people complain that things are too partisan and polarized right now, and there's a lot of truth to that. but the other side that nobody considers is that parties in government are extremely weak, to the point that a huge party victory produces little policy change. what then is the point of having elections if the majority decision doesn't get enacted into policy?

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and by the way, the reason that the framers created multiple points of influence in the american system (e.g., a bicameral legislature with different term limits along with an unelected supreme court) was to allow elites to make decisions in the best interest of the country. nobody can really say that we're seeing the best interests of the country being put ahead of public opinion. we're seeing moneyed interests who provide electoral resources to elected officials dominating the debate, along with organized vocal minorities trying to stop any reform efforts.

this is not how the framers envisioned policy-making in this country.

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