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Aaron Kelly should make the team over Finneran

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Let me be the first to say Im one of Brian Finneran biggest fans. He was a clutch wr that made some big grabs in 3rd down situations but his time has come. It was a great story last season him coming back from injury but with Kelly he is a younger version of a Finneran. Kelly also can return some kicks and give Norwood a break.

White

Jenkins

Douglas

Weems-(special teams)

Kelly

agree or disagree.

agreed. look at the decision criteria

younger - *****

cheaper - *****

better - ?

strategic - ***** (falcons want to get younger)

even if you take the position that the two are far from equivalent (ie, finneran at this point is about 70% better than kelly), you wouldn't really make a decision on a 4th receiver solely on that criteria, would you? when you could pay him probably half as much?

yes, finneran, over the last few years has been fairly reliable 3rd down option. but not moreso than TG will be. and jenkins has stepped up in that area as well. so we don't need him as a 3rd down specialist. and we didn't get *that* much out of him in red zone.

sentimentality? *laughs*. they sent brooking away. if you get rid of your starting LB and fan favorite and franchise cornerstone, you are not going to be shedding any tears for a situational WR who is neither a starter or a game changer at this point.

finneran's other intangible value comes as a replacement in case one of our top 2 WRs goes down. but then you have to look at finneran versus douglas. and i think HD is pretty solid, in the eyes of the coaches, as the #3, and someone they would be fairly comfortable putting on the field as a #2 for a stretch. perish the thought, but if roddy or mj went down for any stretch, that would just shift more balls to gonzalez, who'll already be operating at a deficit from the load he's used to carrying for several years as the primary target in the passing game.

i hadn't thought of this before your post, but the writing is pretty much on the wall.

only way i can see finneran staying is if weems AND kelly completely suck at ST.

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I saw Finn and Beregon and Kelly all make great moves and catches @ Mini Camp, but I think the edge has to go to Finn, I had heard that some of the vets were given the evening session off. What was Finn doing ? he was out there working with the rookie receivers, not practicing, but throwing to them and working on routes. That is dedication, that being said I would love to see Kelly and Beregon make the team, just not @ Finns expense

great pics and observations. and that's a great testament to finneran's character, tutoring the younger guys.

it really depends, as i've already stated, on a few factors.

finneran's value (4th WR, 3rd down specialist, STer) took a drastic hit with the addition of gonzalez. TG will easily absorb that 3rd down role and, by virtue of his presence on the field, open up things considerably for the extra receivers in multi WR sets (which will level the playing field for any route running advantage that finneran may have over any of the younger guys).

the ST contribution then becomes the major factor in deciding whether or not to keep him. at $1M or whatever. (versus rookie FA contract for kelly, or whatever weems is making).

not to be too mercenary about it (i'm STILL pissed at mckay / mora for letting our long snapper go over about a 300k delta in salary, and then we lost 2 or 3 games that year b/c of shtty snaps and ST miscues), but if they decide that what finneran brings to ST, while laudable, is replaceable, he's history.

if he does, i'll wish him well and hope he gets another good year or so out of whomever would pick him up. i have a lot of admiration for how he came back from the skillet hands days, as well as the perseverance he's shown in battling back from the knee injuries.

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Greg, Man you are just sitting on a Ton of great pics!

That picture speaks Volumes.

Looks like everybody is having a great time, and working like Pro's.

Hence Smitty's Grin.

Thanks man, they were having fun !

great pics and observations. and that's a great testament to finneran's character, tutoring the younger guys.

it really depends, as i've already stated, on a few factors.

finneran's value (4th WR, 3rd down specialist, STer) took a drastic hit with the addition of gonzalez. TG will easily absorb that 3rd down role and, by virtue of his presence on the field, open up things considerably for the extra receivers in multi WR sets (which will level the playing field for any route running advantage that finneran may have over any of the younger guys).

the ST contribution then becomes the major factor in deciding whether or not to keep him. at $1M or whatever. (versus rookie FA contract for kelly, or whatever weems is making).

not to be too mercenary about it (i'm STILL pissed at mckay / mora for letting our long snapper go over about a 300k delta in salary, and then we lost 2 or 3 games that year b/c of shtty snaps and ST miscues), but if they decide that what finneran brings to ST, while laudable, is replaceable, he's history.

if he does, i'll wish him well and hope he gets another good year or so out of whomever would pick him up. i have a lot of admiration for how he came back from the skillet hands days, as well as the perseverance he's shown in battling back from the knee injuries.

Your logic is sound, I just have a strong feeling Finn sticks, if not as a player then in some other capacity.

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From what I've seen in this topic, it looks like the majority is leaning to Weems being the odd man out. I agree with this. Kelly should put some weight on that tall frame he has though.

Still, because of the age thing, I wouldn't be surprised if they let Fin go and maybe take him on as an assistant.

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Still, because of the age thing, I wouldn't be surprised if they let Fin go and maybe take him on as an assistant.

I THINK YOU'RE ON TO SOMETHING. WE MUST NOT FORGET THAT OUR GM HAS A NEW ENGLAND

PHILOSOPHY ..... DON'T GET STUCK IN THE LOYALTY THING WITH PLAYERS. IF YOU GOT ONE THATS

GETTING A LITTLE LONG IN THE TOOTH ...... "GET A YOUNGER ONE." SOUNDS HARSH, BUT IT'S

BUSINESS. B)

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I THINK YOU'RE ON TO SOMETHING. WE MUST NOT FORGET THAT OUR GM HAS A NEW ENGLAND

PHILOSOPHY ..... DON'T GET STUCK IN THE LOYALTY THING WITH PLAYERS. IF YOU GOT ONE THATS

GETTING A LITTLE LONG IN THE TOOTH ...... "GET A YOUNGER ONE." SOUNDS HARSH, BUT IT'S

BUSINESS. B)

I can see what you and others are saying but at this point I haven't seen where Fin has lost anything. I haven't seen him this year but if he is still moving well and looking good then I just don't see why you would release him. He is a good ST guy too. Weems and Kelly are both very young so IMO still need time to develop. Unless both come out balling out I just don't see it. Weems is tiny!

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I can see what you and others are saying but at this point I haven't seen where Fin has lost anything. I haven't seen him this year but if he is still moving well and looking good then I just don't see why you would release him. He is a good ST guy too. Weems and Kelly are both very young so IMO still need time to develop. Unless both come out balling out I just don't see it. Weems is tiny!

BOTTOM LINE ........ "WE DON'T KNOW WHAT THE GM AND COACH ARE THINKING." B)

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Let me be the first to say Im one of Brian Finneran biggest fans. He was a clutch wr that made some big grabs in 3rd down situations but his time has come. It was a great story last season him coming back from injury but with Kelly he is a younger version of a Finneran. Kelly also can return some kicks and give Norwood a break.

White

Jenkins

Douglas

Weems-(special teams)

Kelly

agree or disagree.

Disagree, but not saying this isn't possible.

First, Finn is still producing and he's not expensive, he's a proven asset, while Kelly is not. Second, Finn does more when not the primary target on a play than most, he's an excellent downfield blocker. He's also a good special teams player.

Sometimes just getting younger to get younger is not the right move. It's going to be an interesting camp with a good competition for the 4th/5th WR spots. If they are even at the end of camp though, I think the experience and proven clutch play wins out over youth and inexperience.

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great pics and observations. and that's a great testament to finneran's character, tutoring the younger guys.

it really depends, as i've already stated, on a few factors.

finneran's value (4th WR, 3rd down specialist, STer) took a drastic hit with the addition of gonzalez. TG will easily absorb that 3rd down role and, by virtue of his presence on the field, open up things considerably for the extra receivers in multi WR sets (which will level the playing field for any route running advantage that finneran may have over any of the younger guys).

the ST contribution then becomes the major factor in deciding whether or not to keep him. at $1M or whatever. (versus rookie FA contract for kelly, or whatever weems is making).

not to be too mercenary about it (i'm STILL pissed at mckay / mora for letting our long snapper go over about a 300k delta in salary, and then we lost 2 or 3 games that year b/c of shtty snaps and ST miscues), but if they decide that what finneran brings to ST, while laudable, is replaceable, he's history.

if he does, i'll wish him well and hope he gets another good year or so out of whomever would pick him up. i have a lot of admiration for how he came back from the skillet hands days, as well as the perseverance he's shown in battling back from the knee injuries.

good post poetx glad to see you around

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Let me be the first to say Im one of Brian Finneran biggest fans. He was a clutch wr that made some big grabs in 3rd down situations but his time has come. It was a great story last season him coming back from injury but with Kelly he is a younger version of a Finneran. Kelly also can return some kicks and give Norwood a break.

White

Jenkins

Douglas

Weems-(special teams)

Kelly

agree or disagree.

AGREE! I love me some Brian Finneran too snd he has a place in Falcon history but, he's getting older and has actually started to drop a few.

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For you people saying that we should put Aaron Kelly on the practice squad.....you do realize that when they select the 8 practice squad players they have to clear waivers before you can actually put them in there. That means the 31 other teams can grab him as long as he will be part of their 53 man roster. If you think Kelly is so great why would you risk that?

Don't forget that Finneran was the punt returner last year on punts destined to be inside the 20. They didn't trust Harry Douglas to make the correct decisions on those type of punts.

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For you people saying that we should put Aaron Kelly on the practice squad.....you do realize that when they select the 8 practice squad players they have to clear waivers before you can actually put them in there. That means the 31 other teams can grab him as long as he will be part of their 53 man roster. If you think Kelly is so great why would you risk that?

Don't forget that Finneran was the punt returner last year on punts destined to be inside the 20. They didn't trust Harry Douglas to make the correct decisions on those type of punts.

Finneran stays on the team this year and so does Kelly. Middleton can take Weems spot on special teams.

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Let me be the first to say Im one of Brian Finneran biggest fans. He was a clutch wr that made some big grabs in 3rd down situations but his time has come. It was a great story last season him coming back from injury but with Kelly he is a younger version of a Finneran. Kelly also can return some kicks and give Norwood a break.

White

Jenkins

Douglas

Weems-(special teams)

Kelly

agree or disagree.

Good then Finneran makes it over Weems ... Finn is paid well ... but not that well. We easily have the room.

I do think Kelly makes the active roster though.

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Honestly I need to see Kelly in training camp and in some pre-season games before I can say he's going to make the team or take someone's spot.

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replace a 6'5, 220+, tough, experienced, situation reciever with a shorter, non specialist, toothpick of a rookie.......wtf is wrong with everyone on this site. I know a lot of it is youth, but even with that is this really the answer?

I like this Kelly guy, but only as a fifth guy or practice squad prospect. His skill set is not there yet and he REALLY NEEDS TO HIT THE WEIGHTS. Otherwise he will get his head knocked clean off and **** Butkus will be there yelling "See!!! I Told you it was possible!!!"

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falcster wrote: "he's getting older and has actually started to drop a few."

I don't remember Finn dropping any last year....maybe you're thinking of Roddy White in the Denver game.....cost us the game and a bye in the playoffs. Finn will be on the team this year.

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replace a 6'5, 220+, tough, experienced, situation reciever with a shorter, non specialist, toothpick of a rookie.......wtf is wrong with everyone on this site. I know a lot of it is youth, but even with that is this really the answer?

I like this Kelly guy, but only as a fifth guy or practice squad prospect. His skill set is not there yet and he REALLY NEEDS TO HIT THE WEIGHTS. Otherwise he will get his head knocked clean off and **** Butkus will be there yelling "See!!! I Told you it was possible!!!"

Although I like fin and I think he sticks around ... don't sell AK short ... he projected as a 5th rounder ... is as tall as finn ... has very good speed and hands ... and has that long stride Rice-like speed that is so coveted.

He does need to gain some man muscle ... but he is certainly the type of UDFA you try and sign.

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1. Roddy White

2. Michael Jenkins

3. Harry Douglas

4. Brian Finneran

5. Aaron Kelly (bubble) but with a pin to bust Weems bubble :lol::lol:

6. Eric Weems (bubble) so sorry see ya wouldn't want to be ya :(

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good post poetx glad to see you around

thanks, and back atcha.

the wildcard in all of this is the lack of a CBA.

i'm really at a loss to factor how that is going to impact rosters across the league, and none of the speculation i've read even seems clear.

do teams have an incentive or disincentive, for example, to extend players?

from my understanding, the cap was adjusted up, and we weren't in particularly bad cap shape to start with, and if folks are largely standing pat due to the uncertainty of the collective bargaining agreement, we won't be extending a lot of vets. with all that said, penny pinching wouldn't be a primary consideration for getting rid of finneran.

part of the flexibility afforded by having a 'youth movement' philosophy is that younger=cheaper, in general, allowing you to pick and choose spots in which to overpay.

i've said for years that the true difference maker in nfl, w/ all the talent parity, is in coaching, and that if you can assemble a top notch staff (which we FINALLY appear to have), you should win most games if everything else is considered equal.

much as i HATE the pats, one of the elements of their style that i've always admired is how they acquire, groom and manage talent. they keep a lot of young, interchangeable guys who are hungry. put some good x's and o's in front of them and maximize scheme advantage. and then they can pick up disgruntled and/or discarded vets at a discount who are a tremendous scheme fit (which i think is what the deal is w/ peterson at LB -- his value elsewhere in the league may not be very high, but he's very valuable to coach smith who knows that he'll be where he's supposed to be on every given play).

all of that said, maybe we DON'T release finneran, but treat him as a versatile, albeit overpaid (for the value of a 4th WR/STer) veteran, because we can and we don't have any sal cap pressure. who knows. if weems and kelly show themselves to be close enough in talent (and assuming more upside) then its a no brainer for the staff. if not, we're not hurt at all by standing pat.

its gonna be interesting.

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No way we get rid of Finn for a rookie wideout. We need some veteran leadership in the locker room and I think Finn is locked to stay (Can't say the same after the season is up). Weems should be demoted to practice squad and Kelly the 5th receiver. He can learn a lot from Finn.

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Hey guys,

New to the board.

My brother, Darren Mougey, was signed as an UDFA and is trying to make the team as a WR.

Unless there are some injury issues you wouldn't think any of the UDFA's would unseat Finneran.

You would think they're competing for possibly that 5th spot or the practice squad.

I haven't heard anything on any boards about how my brother is doing, and it's killing me.

I admit, part of my reason for posting is to drum up some interest in Darren that might result in some posts about how he looks at camp.

Some things about Mougey:

He was a QB until 2 years ago, when he transfered to WR (due to team need and the fact that he was only a year behind starter Kevin O'Connel).

Had some injury issues throughout college that resulted in his being somewhat of an unknown.

He's faster then reported (mid 4.4 40's).

He's a solid 6'5 240.

With his measurables, he should be a prime candidate for special teams.

With his QB background, could be a nice fit for wildcat formations.

Also could fill in as an emergency backup QB which could allow the falcons to only carry Ryan and his backup on the 53, freeing up an extra spot for someone else.

Anyway, if any of you guys notice anything (good or bad) in camp or OTA's, mentioning it in a post would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

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Let me be the first to say Im one of Brian Finneran biggest fans. He was a clutch wr that made some big grabs in 3rd down situations but his time has come. It was a great story last season him coming back from injury but with Kelly he is a younger version of a Finneran. Kelly also can return some kicks and give Norwood a break.

White

Jenkins

Douglas

Weems-(special teams)

Kelly

agree or disagree.

Godfrey instead of Weems.

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