defensedefensedefense Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 LINKA study in quicknessLateral agility trumps 40-yard speed on football fieldBy Nolan NawrockiApril 6, 2009Despite popular beliefs, the 20-yard shuttle is a much more functional test of what a player is asked to do on the football field than the 40-yard dash, given that it better measures how quickly a player can change direction, how loose he is in the hips, how easily he can bend and how fast he can play the game in short areas, where most action occurs.USC's Kaluka Maiava, Wake Forest's Aaron CurryWake Forest OLB Aaron Curry,USC OLB Kaluka Maiava (right)By subtracting the 20-yard shuttle time from the straight-line 40-time, as many teams tend to do as a gauge of lateral agility, evaluators can even better gauge a player's lateral agility than they can simply with short shuttle times, as the differential puts into perspective both long speed and short-area quickness. Generally speaking, a player who notches a .50 is considered to have outstanding lateral agility. Players with low differentials are often viewed as more straight-linish or tight-hipped, which tends to allow them to perform better running the 40 than it would in a shuttle.Following is a breakdown by position, in order from best to worst, of the difference between players’ 40-times and 20-yard short shuttles, based on Combine data averages for each test, with an average included for every position. For example, Mark Sanchez, who was clocked at an average handheld 4.95 seconds in the 40 and 4.23 in the short shuttle, registered a .72 differential, significantly better than the .47-second differential averaged by quarterbacks.It should be noted that both the 20-yard shuttle and 40-yard dash are learned, and players can enhance their times considerably through training, which could skew the results.While there is not always a correlation between the two drills and the future success of a football player, it should be noted that Patriots QB Tom Brady registered a differential of .92, Packers C Scott Wells a .90, Oklahoma’s Kelly Gregg a .88 and Dan Koppen a .85. Many players who do not test well and are not drafted highly but turn out to be exceptional or very good pros often do so because of their great quickness and functional football playing speed.Just as many players who do not produce great differentials become great football players. Donovan McNabb, for example, registered a .08, Braylon Edwards a .07 and Karlos Dansby a .07. Just because a player does not have great lateral agility does not mean he cannot be an exceptional football player. Nonetheless, the differential can be revealing, especially in later rounds and even more specifically for defensive talent that is forced to react quickly.Some players in this year’s draft who noticeably stood out for great differentials despite producing what were regarded as relatively slow 40-times include Sanchez, Michigan State RB Javon Ringer, Oklahoma State TE Brandon Pettigrew, Mississippi OT Michael Oher, Oregon State OG Andy Levitre, Oregon C Max Unger, Purdue DL Alex Magee, Boston College DT Ron Brace, Ohio State LB James Laurinaitis, USC OLB Kaluka Maiava, Virginia Tech’s Macho Harris, Texas Tech’s Darcel McBath and Oklahoma SS Nic Harris — all of whom are more field-fast than 40-fast and fared among the best in their position groups.Some who noticeably stood out for faring poorly include West Virginia QB Pat White, Virginia RB Cedric Peerman, Oklahoma’s Juaquin Iglesias, Florida’s Cornelius Ingram (who is still recovering from a season-ending knee injury), Arizona OT Eben Britton, South Carolina OL Jamon Meredith, Alabama C Antoine Caldwell, Richmond DE-OLB Lawrence Sidbury, Clemson DT Dorrell Scott, Southern Miss ILB Gerald McRath, Wake Forest LB Aaron Curry, Wake Forest CB Alphonso Smith and Clemson FS Chris Clemons — most of whom show considerable hip tightness and appear straight-linish on tape.Quarterbacks Mark Sanchez, USC 0.72Rhett Bomar, Sam Houston State 0.69Mike Reilly, Central Washington 0.68Hunter Cantwell, Louisville 0.63Brian Hoyer, Michigan State 0.63Tom Brandstater, Fresno State 0.53Graham Harrell, Texas Tech 0.53Josh Freman, Kansas State 0.53Chase Daniel, Missouri 0.50Cullen Harper, Clemson 0.50Chase Holbrook, New Mexico State 0.48Average 0.47Nathan Brown, Central Arkansas 0.47Drew Willy, Buffalo 0.46Curtis Painter, Purdue 0.42Jason Boltus, Hartwick 0.37Matthew Stafford, Georgia 0.36John Parker Wilson, Alabama 0.21Stephen McGee, Texas A&M 0.16Pat White, West Virginia 0.15Nate Davis, Ball State NARunning backs Kahlil Bell, UCLA 0.53Javon Ringer, Michigan State 0.45Glen Coffee, Alabama 0.42Rashad Jennings, Liberty 0.40Donald Brown, Connecticut 0.39Bernard Scott, Abilene Christian 0.38Tyrell Sutton, Northwestern 0.37Chris Ogbonnaya, Texas 0.32Average 0.28Knowshon Moreno, Georgia 0.26Shonn Greene, Iowa 0.26Anthony Kimble, Stanford 0.24Ian Johnson, Boise State 0.24Mike Goodson, Texas A&M 0.24James Davis, Clemson 0.23Branden Ore, Virginia Tech 0.21Andre Brown, North Carolina State 0.13Cedric Peerman, Virginia 0.07Kory Sheets, Purdue 0.02Arian Foster, Tennessee NAP.J. Hill, Wisconsin NAGartrell Johnson, Colorado State NAJeremiah Johnson, Oregon NAMarlon Lucky, Nebraska NALeSean McCoy, Pittsburgh NAChris Wells, Ohio State NAJarvarris Williams, Tennessee State NAFullbacks Marcus Mailei, Weber State 0.54Average 0.35Brannan Southerland, Georgia 0.31Tony Fiammetta, Syracuse 0.14Jason Cook, Mississippi NAQuinn Johnson, LSU NAWide receivers Nate Swift, Nebraska 0.42Brian Hartline, Ohio State 0.42Greg Orton, Purdue 0.39Jeremy Childs, Boise State 0.37Kevin Ogletree, Virginia 0.33Austin Collie, Brigham Young 0.33Ramses Barden, Cal Poly 0.32Kenny McKinley, South Carolina 0.32Brian Robiskie, Ohio State 0.29Dominique Edison, Stephen F. Austin 0.28Sammie Stroughter, Oregon State 0.28Taurus Johnson, South Florida 0.27Andrew Means, Indiana 0.25Tiquan Underwood, Rutgers 0.24Average 0.20David Richmond, San Jose State 0.19Johnny Knox, Abilene Christian 0.15Jaison Williams, Oregon 0.13Jarrett Dillard, Rice 0.12Marko Mitchell, Nevada 0.09Darrius Heyward-Bey, Maryland 0.07Juaquin Iglesias, Oklahoma 0.07Kenny Britt, Rutgers 0.06Quan Cosby, Texas 0.06Mike Thomas, Arizona 0.06Aaron Kelly, Clemson 0.06Mike Wallace, Mississippi 0.03Deon Butler, Penn State -0.18Demetrius Byrd, LSU NAMichael Crabtree, Texas Tech NABrooks Foster, North Carolina NABrandon Gibson, Washington State NAPercy Harvin, Florida NAManuel Johnson, Oklahoma NAQuinten Lawrence, McNeese State NAJeremy Maclin, Missouri NABrennan Marion, Tulsa NAMohamed Massaquoi, Georgia NALouis Murphy, Florida NAHakeem Nicks, North Carolina NAJordan Norwood, Penn State NADarius Passmore, Marshall NABrandon Tate, North Carolina NAPatrick Turner, USC NADerrick Williams, Penn State NATight ends Dan Gronkowski, Maryland 0.55John Phillips, Virginia 0.52Brandon Pettigrew, Oklahoma State 0.49Kory Sperry, Colorado State 0.46Bear Pascoe, Fresno State 0.42James Casey, Rice 0.41Average 0.34D.J. Johnson, Arkansas State 0.33Cameron Morrah, California 0.31Anthony Hill, North Carolina State 0.31Richard Quinn, North Carolina 0.30Jared Bronson, Central Washington 0.27Davon Drew, East Carolina 0.23Cornelius Ingram, Florida 0.16Travis Beckum, Wisconsin NAChase Coffman, Missouri NAJared Cook, South Carolina NABrian Mandeville, Northeastern NARob Myers, Utah State NAOffensive tackles Michael Oher, Mississippi 0.71Joel Bell, Furman 0.57Ramon Foster, Tennessee 0.56Robert Brewster, Ball State 0.53Troy Kropog, Tulane 0.53Alex Boone, Ohio State 0.52Lydon Murtha, Nebraska 0.50Average 0.47Jason Smith, Baylor 0.47Jason Watkins, Florida 0.47Xavier Fulton, Illinois 0.47Phil Loadholt, Oklahoma 0.46Maurice Miller, Mississippi 0.45Eugene Monroe, Virginia 0.43Fenuki Tupou, Oregon 0.42Jose Valdez, Arkansas 0.33Will Beatty, Connecticut 0.32Eben Britton, Arizona 0.24Dan Gay, Baylor 0.08Gerald Cadogan, Penn State NAAndrew Gardner, Georgia Tech NAKyle Link, McNeese State NARyan McKee, Southern Mississippi NAGus Parrish, Kent State NAGarrett Reynolds, North Carolina NAAndre Smith, Alabama NAOffensive guards Andy Levitre, Oregon State 0.81C.J. Davis, Pittsburgh 0.63Andy Kemp, Wisconsin 0.59Seth Olsen, Iowa 0.55Travis Bright, Brigham Young 0.53Cornelius Lewis, Tennessee State 0.50Average 0.47Kraig Urbik, Wisconsin 0.47Greg Isdaner, West Virginia 0.42Jamon Meredith, South Carolina 0.20Brandon Walker, Oklahoma 0.09Roger Allen, Missouri Western State NATrevor Canfield, Cincinnati NAPaul Fanaika, Arizona State NARay Feinga, Brigham Young NATyronne Greene, Auburn NAHerman Johnson, LSU NAAnthony Parker, Tennessee NADuke Robinson, Oklahoma NAMatt Slauson, Nebraska NAJaime Thomas, Maryland NALouis Vasquez, Texas Tech NACenters Max Unger, Oregon 0.84A.Q. Shipley, Penn State 0.79Alex Fletcher, Stanford 0.75Eric Wood, Louisville 0.72Average 0.59Robby Felix, UTEP 0.57Jon Cooper, Oklahoma 0.50Jonathan Luigs, Arkansas 0.35Antoine Caldwell, Alabama 0.24Rob Bruggeman, Iowa NAJuan Garcia, Washington NABrett Helms, LSU NAAlex Mack, California NAEdwin Williams, Maryland NADefensive ends Derek Walker, Illinois 0.59Alex Magee, Purdue 0.52Jarius Wynn, Georgia 0.50Tim Jamison, Michigan 0.49Brandon Williams, Texas Tech 0.48Pannel Egboh, Stanford 0.47Maurice Evans, Penn State 0.47Zach Potter, Nebraska 0.46Aaron Maybin, Penn State 0.42Connor Barwin, Cincinnati 0.42Will Davis, Illinois 0.40Paul Kruger, Utah 0.38Kyle Moore, USC 0.37Average 0.36David Veikune, Hawaii 0.36Michael Johnson, Georgia Tech 0.34Robert Ayers, Tennessee 0.30Everette Brown, Florida State 0.23Orion Martin, Virginia Tech 0.19Sammie Hill, Stillman 0.17Tyson Jackson, LSU 0.17Lawrence Sidbury, Richmond 0.10Stryker Sulak, Missouri 0.10Matt Shaughnessy, Wisconsin 0.00Michael Bennett, Texas A&M NAIan Campbell, Kansas State NARulon Davis, California NADefensive tackles Ron Brace, Boston College 0.82Adrian Grady, Louisville 0.51B.J. Raji, Boston College 0.46Terrance Knighton, Temple 0.43Khalif Mitchell, East Carolina 0.36Average 0.33Ziggy Hood, Missouri 0.31Mitch King, Iowa 0.27Roy Miller, Texas 0.26Myron Pryor, Kentucky 0.26Demonte Bolden, Tennessee 0.25Jarron Gilbert, San Jose State 0.25Corvey Irvin, Georgia 0.25Terrence Taylor, Michigan 0.20Rashon Harris, Oregon 0.16Dorrell Scott, Clemson 0.10Marlon Favorite, LSU NARicky Jean-Francois, LSU NAPeria Jerry, Mississippi NASen’Derrick Marks, Auburn NAFili Moala, USC NAVance Walker, Georgia Tech NAInside linebackers James Laurinaitis, Ohio State 0.54Scott McKillop, Pittsburgh 0.37Jasper Brinkley, South Carolina 0.37Average 0.36Jason Phillips, TCU 0.35Darry Beckwith, LSU 0.29Stanley Arnoux, Wake Forest 0.17Gerald McRath, Southern Mississippi 0.15Dannell Ellerbe, Georgia NAAnthony Felder, California NARey Maualuga, USC NAJosh Mauga, Nevada NAWorrell Williams, California NAMorris Wooten, Arizona State NAOutside linebackers Kaluka Maiava, USC 0.56Marcus Freeman, Ohio State 0.54Clay Matthews, USC 0.49Brian Cushing, USC 0.45Larry English, Northern Illinois 0.43Average 0.42Moses Fokou, Maryland 0.41Clint Sintim, Virginia 0.37Cody Brown, Connecticut 0.37Victor Butler, Oregon State 0.34Mortty Ivy, West Virginia 0.17Lee Robinson, Alcorn State 0.09Aaron Curry, Wake Forest 0.02Jonathan Casillas, Wisconsin NAZack Follett, California NACody Glenn, Nebraska NADeAndre Levy, Wisconsin NATyrone McKenzie, South Florida NABrian Orakpo, Texas NACornerbacks Macho Harris, Virginia Tech 0.73Kevin Akins, Boston College 0.71Morgan Trent, Michigan 0.51Kevin Barnes, Maryland 0.50Malcolm Jenkins, Ohio State 0.44Bruce Johnson, Miami (Fla.) 0.44Jerraud Powers, Auburn 0.44Coye Francies, San Jose State 0.43Sean Smith, Utah 0.40Vontae Davis, Illinois 0.35Donald Washington, Ohio State 0.34Average 0.33Lardarius Webb, Nicholls State (La.) 0.33Joe Burnett, Central Florida 0.32Chris Owens, San Jose State 0.31Captain Munnerlyn, South Carolina 0.30Lydell Sargeant, Penn State 0.28Darius Butler, Connecticut 0.28D.J. Moore, Vanderbilt 0.27Ryan Palmer, Texas 0.25Domonique Johnson, Jackson State 0.23Asher Allen, Georgia 0.19Bradley Fletcher, Iowa 0.19Brandon Hughes, Oregon State 0.19DeAngelo Smith, Cincinnati 0.18Alphonso Smith, Wake Forest 0.13DeAndre Wright, New Mexico 0.11Glover Quin, New Mexico 0.07Jairus Byrd, Oregon NADon Carey, Norfolk State NACary Harris, USC NAKeenan Lewis, Oregon State NAMike Mickens, Cincinnati NARyan Mouton, Hawaii NAWopamo Osaisai, Stanford NAJahi Word-Daniels, Georgia Tech NAFree safeties Sherrod Martin, Troy 0.49Darcel McBath, Texas Tech 0.48Lendy Holmes, Oklahoma 0.40Curtis Taylor, LSU 0.39Derek Pegues, Mississippi State 0.38Louis Delmas, Western Michigan 0.37Marcus McClinton, Kentucky 0.33Chip Vaughn, Wake Forest 0.32Brandon Underwood, Cincinnati 0.32William Moore, Missouri 0.31Average 0.31Rashad Johnson, Alabama 0.28Michael Hamlin, Clemson 0.18David Bruton, Notre Dame 0.17C.J. Spillman, Marshall 0.16Chris Clemons, Clemson -0.03Otis Wiley, Michigan State NAStrong safeties Nic Harris, Oklahoma 0.52Courtney Greene, Rutgers 0.40Average 0.37Troy Nolan, Arizona State 0.35Jamarca Sanford, Mississippi 0.30Stephen Hodge, TCU 0.23Patrick Chung, Oregon NAEmanuel Cook, South Carolina NAKevin Ellison, USC NATop 10 overall Max Unger, Oregon 0.84Ron Brace, Boston College 0.82Andy Levitre, Oregon State 0.81A.Q. Shipley, Penn State 0.79Alex Fletcher, Stanford 0.75Macho Harris, Virginia Tech 0.73Mark Sanchez, USC 0.72Eric Wood, Louisville 0.72Michael Oher, Mississippi 0.71Kevin Akins, Boston College 0.71Rhett Bomar, Sam Houston State 0.69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconsfromengland Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 look at JLs, this is more evidence that there is more to the combine and football than the 40 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defensedefensedefense Posted April 18, 2009 Author Share Posted April 18, 2009 look at JLs, this is more evidence that there is more to the combine and football than the 40Yep... He posted great numbers outside of his 40 time...Ive said it numerous times. JL can play ANY LB position in our system. Add to the fact, he diagnoses plays quickly, it makes him even quicker in pads...He is the 'safest' player in this draft imhoOn a side note: Can Curry really play in coverage that well?? Going by this formula, he has very stiff hips, but good straight line speed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxatlanta Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 This is rediculous. The slower a player runs his 40yard dash, the bigger the differential. So this method REWARDS those who post poor 40 times and punishes those, Like Pat White, who post the best times. Why not just look at the short shuttle time? What benefit is there adding in the 40 time? And if your going to include the 40 time, don't do it in a way that punished those who run it the fastest. By thie logic, Tom Brady has more lateral quickness than Pat White. Just rediculous. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dirty Bird Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 This is rediculous. The slower a player runs his 40yard dash, the bigger the differential. So this method REWARDS those who post poor 40 times and punishes those, Like Pat White, who post the best times. Why not just look at the short shuttle time? What benefit is there adding in the 40 time? And if your going to include the 40 time, don't do it in a way that punished those who run it the fastest. By thie logic, Tom Brady has more lateral quickness than Pat White. Just rediculous.That was my first thought reading this. The differential argument is ********. If I ran a 4.2 shuttle time, my 40 shouldn't have a bearing on my "lateral agility". If I then run a 5 flat 40, I have tremendous lateral agility. If I run a 4.3 40, I am stiff in the hips. ********. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Offseason Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 This is rediculous. The slower a player runs his 40yard dash, the bigger the differential. So this method REWARDS those who post poor 40 times and punishes those, Like Pat White, who post the best times. Why not just look at the short shuttle time? What benefit is there adding in the 40 time? And if your going to include the 40 time, don't do it in a way that punished those who run it the fastest. By thie logic, Tom Brady has more lateral quickness than Pat White. Just rediculous.exactly. not to mention loadholt is one of the best OT's as far as lateral agility and his feet are as slow as molasses. at first i thought this might be really interesting but it turned out to be quite dissapointing.-Mr. Offseason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jidady Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 It's right there in the description that the difference allows for the assessment of straight line speed vs. short area burst. By itself, short shuttle is useful, but it offers even more utilitarian value when placed in comparison with a guy's 40 time. I know it's counter-intuitive, but this is what I've been saying in JL discussions for a while now. Straight line speed isn't useful that often in the NFL outside of special team. The 40-yard dash is the swimsuit competition, but the other stuff is what personnel guys care about. And for those of you who think differentials aren't important, I've seen Belichick himself quote them during draft discussions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jidady Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 On a side note: Can Curry really play in coverage that well?? Going by this formula, he has very stiff hips, but good straight line speed...This is something I was saying to Mr. Offseason the other day. I think the world of Curry as a player. It's impossible for me to imagine him being a bust, because he does everything right on the football field to improve himself and his team. His TFL stats for his college career are just ridiculous. He's got more than JL and Rey M combined. But the thing that really jumped out at me in reviewing all of the combine performances was how he had the best 40 time at his position yet some of the worst short shuttle and 3-cone times. That's -generally- a huge danger sign. I'm inclined to think he's an exception but if he does fail in the NFL, this will be the reason why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jidady Posted April 18, 2009 Share Posted April 18, 2009 One other comment: I think that Derek Walker is going to be an NFL starter somewhere. He's an overachiever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
defensedefensedefense Posted April 18, 2009 Author Share Posted April 18, 2009 This is something I was saying to Mr. Offseason the other day. I think the world of Curry as a player. It's impossible for me to imagine him being a bust, because he does everything right on the football field to improve himself and his team. His TFL stats for his college career are just ridiculous. He's got more than JL and Rey M combined. But the thing that really jumped out at me in reviewing all of the combine performances was how he had the best 40 time at his position yet some of the worst short shuttle and 3-cone times. That's -generally- a huge danger sign. I'm inclined to think he's an exception but if he does fail in the NFL, this will be the reason why.It wasnt all that long ago someone was saying to me, Curry's shuttle time and 3 cone were the reason KC might pick him and put him inside next to Derrick Johnson...By no means was i saying Aaron Curry will be a bust, i was just interested in the outcome using this formula... I do think there is merit in this formula, especially when applied to LB's. They have to drop into coverage and explode to the ball carrier...Who has the most short area burst?The LB with a 4.5 shuttle and a 4.5 40 orThe LB with a 4.2 shuttle and a 4.7 40 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robb4242 Posted April 19, 2009 Share Posted April 19, 2009 WR Deon Butler's hips are so stiff he'd need a 100 yard clearance just to walk out of a room and turn down the hall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slimm Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 like the post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Offseason Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 WR Deon Butler's hips are so stiff he'd need a 100 yard clearance just to walk out of a room and turn down the hall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
takeitdown Posted April 20, 2009 Share Posted April 20, 2009 That was my first thought reading this. The differential argument is ********. If I ran a 4.2 shuttle time, my 40 shouldn't have a bearing on my "lateral agility". If I then run a 5 flat 40, I have tremendous lateral agility. If I run a 4.3 40, I am stiff in the hips. ********.The differential isn't a great measure, due to the fact that a slow 40 skews it. However, it's great at differentiating people within .15 seconds or so in the 40.The reason the short shuttle is sbutracted from the 40 is only an approximation. Basically, the shuttle consists of turns, and sprints. Subtracting out the sprints gives you an idea of how fast the turns and two step bursts are on their own.The short shuttle has a 5 yard run, a turn, a ten yard run, a turn, and a 5 yard run. So, if you have a guy who runs a slow 40 (and slow 10), his short shuttle will look poor, even though he has good lateral agility. So, what you want to do is subtract out his poor sprinting, to get to true agility. The real way to do this would be to subtract his 5 and 10 yard splits (2 5 yards splits and one 10 yard split) from his short shuttle, and you'd be left with true turning speed. That's a better measure, but it's more complicated, and scouts normally like to have a quick thing to look at.A more effective (to me) and pretty easy way to test burst and agility is simply to subtract the 10 yard split from the short shuttle (that way you're left with 2 five yard runs, and 3 turns, which pretty effectively measures 2 step burst AND lateral agility.There are uses to all these things, some should just be updated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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