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Would I like to have a Brian Orakpo or a Julius Peppers -- of course -- if reality and money were not factors. The fact is that virtually every position could be upgraded if you could pick anybody you wanted -- no team has a pro-bowler at every spot. That being said .......

If a team is lucky enough to have a top pass rushing DE (like Abraham), it is rare that the other end is a sack master. The second leading sacker on most teams is usually a linebacker or a situational speed rushing DE. That's not to say that both starting DE's shouldn't be able to pressure the QB -- they should.

John Abraham, Jamal Anderson, CDavis, CBiermann

John Abraham -- one of the best. Only concerns with him are staying healthy and grooming his eventual replacement.

Jamal Anderson -- get over where he was drafted -- he is an important member of this team. Given that he was switched to DE in college and left early as a junior, I believe he still has a substantial upside. On obvious passing downs, an edge-rushing specialist can be brought in and he can slide to UT. How good he will be kinda depends on how hard he wants to work for it.

CDavis -- an above average backup that can play either side and provide a breather for the starters.

CBiermann -- 'The Beer-man' could develope into that situational edge-rusher I was talking about.

The point is that there are other positions on the defense that require more immediate attention. I'm much more worried about strong safety, outside linebacker, nose tackle, and - to a lesser extent - cornerback.

All you Anderson haters -- go kick your dog ... and "show some love"

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Agreed, we have spent a lot of $$$$ at DE. If we had a better push from the inside, it would show up on DE stats....problem solved

I agree that we do need help on the inside, but the value may not be there at 24 for DT. I also disagree with the OP. I think that we have holes, but we dont have any immediate holes that need to be filled. We have the luxury of getting that high quality pass rusher you indicate that we need with the 24th pick or I will even take Sidbury in the 2nd. I like Biermann but we could get a better situational pass rusher other than Beirmann, plus if Abe gets hurt we may put ourselves in a bad situation.

Very true

I knew you would weigh in on this topic. :P

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You have a very true statement but my question is if the talent is out there, i.e. Jason Taylor, why not attempt to get it? If we had 2 sack masters at DE it would make our team better... would you agree?

We have two 30+ DE when we can just draft one who can do the same thing as Jason Taylor, be a 3rd down pass rushing specialist.

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Jaymadd -- I think you're the agent for MJ or something -- what's up? To say that we don't have immediate needs at strong safety, nose tackle, and outside linebacker is absurd. I do agree that it doesn't look like there will be a NT available that would be worth the #24 pick, but I think there will be a couple of OLB's that would fit the bill. In the second, we might be able to get Moore or Chung at safety. I don't have the answer on the nose tackle position. I would consider Brace if he was there in the second -- otherwise, it's a later pick, FA, or trade -- and pray Trey becomes superman.

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Jaymadd -- I think you're the agent for MJ or something -- what's up? To say that we don't have immediate needs at strong safety, nose tackle, and outside linebacker is absurd. I do agree that it doesn't look like there will be a NT available that would be worth the #24 pick, but I think there will be a couple of OLB's that would fit the bill. In the second, we might be able to get Moore or Chung at safety. I don't have the answer on the nose tackle position. I would consider Brace if he was there in the second -- otherwise, it's a later pick, FA, or trade -- and pray Trey becomes superman.

Naw i wish I was he agent, probably wouldnt be on this board. :lol:

WE have needs, but we have the flexibility with our 24 pick, that is what i meant regarding immediate. Yes we need OLB, but this draft is full of them and we can draft one in the later rounds to develop. I agree that if the FO feels that they want a safety then they will choose one in the 2nd. I dont want Brace, too one dimensional. I like a few options in the 3rd and later at NT. I just feel like we need another pass rusher so why not get the one that has the greatest potential to be a really good one in MJ and I dont buy into the JA98 comparison, they are too different players. I will take English too, or Sidbury in the 2nd.

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Would I like to have a Brian Orakpo or a Julius Peppers -- of course -- if reality and money were not factors. The fact is that virtually every position could be upgraded if you could pick anybody you wanted -- no team has a pro-bowler at every spot. That being said .......

If a team is lucky enough to have a top pass rushing DE (like Abraham), it is rare that the other end is a sack master. The second leading sacker on most teams is usually a linebacker or a situational speed rushing DE. That's not to say that both starting DE's shouldn't be able to pressure the QB -- they should.

All you Anderson haters -- go kick your dog ... and "show some love"

Agreed, we have spent a lot of $$$$ at DE. If we had a better push from the inside, it would show up on DE stats....problem solved

Caveman:

I like the post, BTW are you a member of the NSS ? NSS/CDS ?

Onto the Topic.

Here is a little food for thought.

In the Grand scheme of things, the 4-3 Defense is a very expensive line to maintain,

and in large is why a lot of teams go with the 3-4,,,,, tweeners are more abundant and cheaper too.

So that said, you know why we have so much $$$ tied up at that position.

But at pick #24 would you Draft a Patrick Kerney?

Even considering the Money,,, would you really?

Come on now ,,,I heard everybody just scream out Heck Yeah ! and so would I !

So then who is this DE that would be worthy of our 1st round Pick

Who is this PK ver 2.0?

Paul Kruger.

Jay may be high on MJ,,, but Jay also knows about Kruger too,,, he just not saying :D

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Caveman:

I like the post, BTW are you a member of the NSS ? NSS/CDS ?

Onto the Topic.

Here is a little food for thought.

In the Grand scheme of things, the 4-3 Defense is a very expensive line to maintain,

and in large is why a lot of teams go with the 3-4,,,,, tweeners are more abundant and cheaper too.

So that said, you know why we have so much $$$ tied up at that position.

But at pick #24 would you Draft a Patrick Kerney?

Even considering the Money,,, would you really?

Come on now ,,,I heard everybody just scream out Heck Yeah ! and so would I !

So then who is this DE that would be worthy of our 1st round Pick

Who is this PK ver 2.0?

Paul Kruger.

Jay may be high on MJ,,, but Jay also knows about Kruger too,,, he just not saying :D

Yeah i like Kruger but i think we can get him in the 2nd, if we dont go DE at 24. I think that anytime I see DE and Draft I automatically default to Micheal Johnson at 24 :lol:

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Would I like to have a Brian Orakpo or a Julius Peppers -- of course -- if reality and money were not factors. The fact is that virtually every position could be upgraded if you could pick anybody you wanted -- no team has a pro-bowler at every spot. That being said .......

If a team is lucky enough to have a top pass rushing DE (like Abraham), it is rare that the other end is a sack master. The second leading sacker on most teams is usually a linebacker or a situational speed rushing DE. That's not to say that both starting DE's shouldn't be able to pressure the QB -- they should.

John Abraham, Jamal Anderson, CDavis, CBiermann

John Abraham -- one of the best. Only concerns with him are staying healthy and grooming his eventual replacement.

Jamal Anderson -- get over where he was drafted -- he is an important member of this team. Given that he was switched to DE in college and left early as a junior, I believe he still has a substantial upside. On obvious passing downs, an edge-rushing specialist can be brought in and he can slide to UT. How good he will be kinda depends on how hard he wants to work for it.

CDavis -- an above average backup that can play either side and provide a breather for the starters.

CBiermann -- 'The Beer-man' could develope into that situational edge-rusher I was talking about.

The point is that there are other positions on the defense that require more immediate attention. I'm much more worried about strong safety, outside linebacker, nose tackle, and - to a lesser extent - cornerback.

All you Anderson haters -- go kick your dog ... and "show some love"

As usual, a well considered post from Caveman. He's still only 23, one can hardly blame the player for being picked #8 overall and being paid a kings ransom. I just hope he applies himself this offseason as the criticism from fellow fans seems to be his lack of effort as much as anything. If the organisation are willing to stick by him, then as supporters we should support our players.

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I think if we get a DE this year we are gonna go in a different direction. Like Connor Barwin or Larry English simply because they are versatile enough to play OLB or DE which would be optimal in our scheme seeing as how we jump in and out of the 4-2-5 and 3-3-5 nickel packages.

Although i see MJ beeing a good pass rusher in the NFL i just don't think that Smitty or Dimitroff want a one dimensional lineman.

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On the other hand if they draft MJ they may cross train him as a LB, in general he is a little small for a DE and he is fast enough to play a little LB

He has great size for a RDE 6'7 266, and he has the frame to add 10lbs to play LDE. He can be an everydown DE.

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...John Abraham -- one of the best. Only concerns with him are staying healthy and grooming his eventual replacement.
Abe is very good but getting old and seeing triple teams because of Busterson.
Jamal Anderson -- get over where he was drafted -- he is an important member of this team. Given that he was switched to DE in college and left early as a junior, I believe he still has a substantial upside. On obvious passing downs, an edge-rushing specialist can be brought in and he can slide to UT. How good he will be kinda depends on how hard he wants to work for it.
How can we get over where he was drafted? You tell me. Will the league give us a $3M cap credit because we drafted a bust at #8? I don't think so.
CDavis -- an above average backup that can play either side and provide a breather for the starters.
Clueless. Had more production than Busterson against the run and the pass in a fraction of the snaps. Now has a bigger contract, a bigger cap hit and more guaranteed money than Busterson. Unless he gets hurt he will be the starter.
CBiermann -- 'The Beer-man' could develope into that situational edge-rusher I was talking about.
OK on the rush but a big liability against the run.
The point is that there are other positions on the defense that require more immediate attention. I'm much more worried about strong safety, outside linebacker, nose tackle, and - to a lesser extent - cornerback.
The biggest needs are at CB, SS and DT. All we have is second year rookies to fill those spots. Scary.
All you Anderson haters -- go kick your dog ... and "show some love"
Not a Busterson hater. Just a realist. Don't have a dog either.
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