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No, DE is one of our deepest (probably THE deepest) position on the defense. We need too much else on this D to worry about drafting an early DE.

I think that we need one in the first at the latest the 2nd, we might have alot of players at DE, but how many can consistently get to the QB. I know that we ranked 11th in total sacks, but again Abe accounted for 47% of those sacks.

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Any DE drafted after 24 would be nothing more than a rotational guy. We have plenty of those already, and should use those picks on positions of need. Depth at DE in NOT a need. What second rounder would be an immediate improvement over C. Davis, JA and Biermann? A top flight pass rusher like Larry English should be an option at #24 if available, but if one of the top prospects doesn't fall, I'd hate to see us waste a first day pick (2nd/3rd round) on something we already have plenty of: solid depth at DE.

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I think that we need one in the first at the latest the 2nd, we might have alot of players at DE, but how many can consistently get to the QB. I know that we ranked 11th in total sacks, but again Abe accounted for 47% of those sacks.

What rookie 2nd round DE do you think would significantly improve our pass rush this year? Pass rushing specialists that fall that far are typically projects that take time to groom.

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What rookie 2nd round DE do you think would significantly improve our pass rush this year? Pass rushing specialists that fall that far are typically projects that take time to groom.

English could fall to our 2nd, I also like Lawrence Sidbury, even Connor Barwin, but i dont think that English or Barwin will fall to us, so I would rather have Micheal Johnson or English at 24. Sidbury is even moving up the draft boards because of his pass rushing ability.

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Any DE drafted after 24 would be nothing more than a rotational guy. We have plenty of those already, and should use those picks on positions of need. Depth at DE in NOT a need. What second rounder would be an immediate improvement over C. Davis, JA and Biermann? A top flight pass rusher like Larry English should be an option at #24 if available, but if one of the top prospects doesn't fall, I'd hate to see us waste a first day pick (2nd/3rd round) on something we already have plenty of: solid depth at DE.

What position do you think would come in and have more of an immediate impact than a Pass Rushing DE that comes in on passing downs? :D

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No, DE is one of our deepest (probably THE deepest) position on the defense. We need too much else on this D to worry about drafting an early DE.

I agree.

I think that we need one in the first at the latest the 2nd, we might have alot of players at DE, but how many can consistently get to the QB. I know that we ranked 11th in total sacks, but again Abe accounted for 47% of those sacks.

Jaymadd1 I must admit that I 100% do not understand your reasoning behind wanting a DE in the 1st-2nd round!

At DE we currently got: J. Abraham, J. Anderson, C. Davis and K. Bierman and S. Fraser. Now I know that putting your hat on Anderson isnt exactly the most positive view, but look at it this way: Anderson is probably the best paid DE on our roster atm and would supply a huge cap hit if cut him and we just resigned C. Davis for a good amount. You dont make the cut cause of the cap hit and you certainly dont resign Davis, if your planning on drafting a replacement DE in either first two rounds. I am almost willing to bet on it.

See Foxsports salary site for approx numbers (Foxsports team salary)

I just dont see your wish come true, with needs (and need for actual upgrades) at positions like DT and OLB.

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What position do you think would come in and have more of an immediate impact than a Pass Rushing DE that comes in on passing downs? :D

I think we could find a starting safety in the second round and a starting NT in the third round. If we want a pass rusher the only viable options i see are Larry English or Michael Johnson at 24. I'm not a huge fan of Johnson but could stomach the pick if TD thinks he can realize his vast potential. I would love English at 24 but don't think he'll fall.

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I agree.

Jaymadd1 I must admit that I 100% do not understand your reasoning behind wanting a DE in the 1st-2nd round!

At DE we currently got: J. Abraham, J. Anderson, C. Davis and K. Bierman and S. Fraser. Now I know that putting your hat on Anderson isnt exactly the most positive view, but look at it this way: Anderson is probably the best paid DE on our roster atm and would supply a huge cap hit if cut him and we just resigned C. Davis for a good amount. You dont make the cut cause of the cap hit and you certainly dont resign Davis, if your planning on drafting a replacement DE in either first two rounds. I am almost willing to bet on it.

See Foxsports salary site for approx numbers (Foxsports team salary)

I just dont see your wish come true, with needs (and need for actual upgrades) at positions like DT and OLB.

Well it is still a real good possibility that we may get a DE in the first especially since MJ, Barwin, English had been interviewed, MJ private workout setup and attended pro-day and even setting up private interview with Barwin. DAvis and JA98 are more suited to be Run-stopping DE as opposed to pass rushing DE. Look at the Facts when Abe is out of the game our chances of getting a sack may decrease by 47%, that is a huge percentage.

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I think we could find a starting safety in the second round and a starting NT in the third round. If we want a pass rusher the only viable options i see are Larry English or Michael Johnson at 24. I'm not a huge fan of Johnson but could stomach the pick if TD thinks he can realize his vast potential. I would love English at 24 but don't think he'll fall.

Honestly those are the only two picks that i would want at DE, other than I will pass, but i also like Sidbury too.

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I agree.

Jaymadd1 I must admit that I 100% do not understand your reasoning behind wanting a DE in the 1st-2nd round!

At DE we currently got: J. Abraham, J. Anderson, C. Davis and K. Bierman and S. Fraser. Now I know that putting your hat on Anderson isnt exactly the most positive view, but look at it this way: Anderson is probably the best paid DE on our roster atm and would supply a huge cap hit if cut him and we just resigned C. Davis for a good amount. You dont make the cut cause of the cap hit and you certainly dont resign Davis, if your planning on drafting a replacement DE in either first two rounds. I am almost willing to bet on it.

See Foxsports salary site for approx numbers (Foxsports team salary)

I just dont see your wish come true, with needs (and need for actual upgrades) at positions like DT and OLB.

We have great depth at DE but we don't have a legitimate starter opposite Abraham. I agree with your reasonging that adding another depth guy wouldn't do much good, which is why I think we won't be drafting one in rounds 2-6. But if a stud like English falls to 24, where all the top OLBs like Cushing/Mathews will likely be long gone, I think TD pulls the trigger. NT, safety and OLB are bigger needs than DE, but those are not value positions at 24.

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We have great depth at DE but we don't have a legitimate starter opposite Abraham. I agree with your reasonging that adding another depth guy wouldn't do much good, which is why I think we won't be drafting one in rounds 2-6. But if a stud like English falls to 24, where all the top OLBs like Cushing/Mathews will likely be long gone, I think TD pulls the trigger. NT, safety and OLB are bigger needs than DE, but those are not value positions at 24.

That is what i am trying to say, that is why the stat of Abe accounting for almost half of our total sack is scary especially since he is going to be 31 going into the season.

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Well it is still a real good possibility that we may get a DE in the first especially since MJ, Barwin, English had been interviewed, MJ private workout setup and attended pro-day and even setting up private interview with Barwin. DAvis and JA98 are more suited to be Run-stopping DE as opposed to pass rushing DE. Look at the Facts when Abe is out of the game our chances of getting a sack may decrease by 47%, that is a huge percentage.

You're right that 47% is huge and unacceptable but DT, OLB and safety seem to be bigger needs. We can always go for a pure pass rusher in the later rounds. Next year when the Jamaal situation shakes out we can really go after a DE whether in FA or the draft. Personally I don't think Jamaal will pan out plus Abe is getting older even though he is a freakin warrior with the heart of a lion.

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You're right that 47% is huge and unacceptable but DT, OLB and safety seem to be bigger needs. We can always go for a pure pass rusher in the later rounds. Next year when the Jamaal situation shakes out we can really go after a DE whether in FA or the draft. Personally I don't think Jamaal will pan out plus Abe is getting older even though he is a freakin warrior with the heart of a lion.

The only problem with that is the quality of pass rushers falls drastically after the 2nd round. There are some good LB prospects throughout the entire draft IMO and we can afford to pick one up later with the signing of Peterson. DT is kind of like DE regarding quality, but i think there are some prospect that could turn out to be good how we rotate DT.

Just a day in the Mind of Jaymadd :D

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We have great depth at DE but we don't have a legitimate starter opposite Abraham. I agree with your reasonging that adding another depth guy wouldn't do much good, which is why I think we won't be drafting one in rounds 2-6. But if a stud like English falls to 24, where all the top OLBs like Cushing/Mathews will likely be long gone, I think TD pulls the trigger. NT, safety and OLB are bigger needs than DE, but those are not value positions at 24.

Would English translate well as a DE in the NFL? I was under the assumption that English was projected as a 3-4 LB type. Bierman did flash some tenasity last season, wouldnt he be profiled as a pass rushing DE?

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Would English translate well as a DE in the NFL? I was under the assumption that English was projected as a 3-4 LB type. Bierman did flash some tenasity last season, wouldnt he be profiled as a pass rushing DE?

English is a RDE/OLB he can play both. If we drafted him it would be as a DE. I like Beirmann but he is no Larry English or Micheal Johnson.

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English is a RDE/OLB he can play both. If we drafted him it would be as a DE. I like Beirmann but he is no Larry English or Micheal Johnson.

I think the pass rushing of Bierman is better than that of Johnson tbh, but alas the last mentioned could be en every down DE with his ability to withstand the run.

I still dont see us taking a DE over a DT/OLB in the first but then again, I dont how the 23 teams before us is gonna draft either so should be exciting. Im looking forward to discussing our pick at 24 regardless :)

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Would English translate well as a DE in the NFL? I was under the assumption that English was projected as a 3-4 LB type. Bierman did flash some tenasity last season, wouldnt he be profiled as a pass rushing DE?

English has the ability to play OLB in the 3-4, but I think he cemented himself as a legit 4-3 DE when he weighed in at 274 at the combine. Biermann is nothing more than decent depth imo.

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I think the pass rushing of Bierman is better than that of Johnson tbh, but alas the last mentioned could be en every down DE with his ability to withstand the run.

I still dont see us taking a DE over a DT/OLB in the first but then again, I dont how the 23 teams before us is gonna draft either so should be exciting. Im looking forward to discussing our pick at 24 regardless :)

I dont mind us getting a DT at 24, but i dont see how we could go LB at 24, i think that we already have our starters at LB on the roster already. As you stated this draft will be interesting especially with our 1st pick because despite what people say, we can go alot of different directions at 24 based on the fact that alot of the holes are going to be filled with our pre-draft roster.

Just a Day in the Mind of Jaymadd :D

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I still dont see us taking a DE over a DT/OLB in the first but then again, I dont how the 23 teams before us is gonna draft either so should be exciting. Im looking forward to discussing our pick at 24 regardless :)

I would agree with you if I felt that we could get good value at NT or OLB at 24. Perry is a UT imo, Hood would be a reach, and I think the good OLBs will be gone.

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