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i ment to say we have very few vets on the o side of the ball we need a few we had horn but that dident work out we have older guys but there is a big differnce between older like redman and are linemen and being a veteran with play tim to lead the team in a close game matt ryan is a great leader turrner is and white are good to but look at the playoffs no one to slap them in the helmet and say step up

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