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who thinks Vick cant pass?

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Just because you can throw a ball 70 yards in the air or you can throw it 100 miles an hour, it doesn't make you a good QB.

Vick didn't trust anybody but Crumpler???? Vick looked middle of the field, and rarely to the outside, that's why he threw to Crumpler & Finneran so much, they both worked the middle of the field.

Vick couldn't throw the slant pass to save his life, that's why he was never a fit for Mora's WCO. Vick couldn't throw a touch outlet pass to a RB. But he could toss the ball effortlessly 60 yards downfield & hope that a receiver would adjust to where ever the ball was going because neither Vick nor the WR knew where that was going to be when it was released.

Vick routinely threw passes behind receivers. Vick routinely threw passes into the defended side of the receiver (against where a WR had established position). Those type throws, while some Vick supporters considered them drops because they were within a 5 foot radius of the receiver, were actually either extremely tough catches for any receiver in the league or ended up being defended passes because the ball was in a position for the defender to make a play on it without getting tagged for PI.

If Vick could have been a more accurate passer, or if he could have thrown the ball with more touch, or if he had spent enough time in the film room & working with the receivers, the we'd be having a completely different conversation right now.

One thing i can agree with is he shouldve spent more time in the Film room,but before 06 Vick had winning seasons an considered a winner.But in 06 we lead the NFL in drops once again.Do you remember when Jim dropped to his knees when Roddy dropped a long pass play,you guys keep seeming to forget that.If that aint an indication that our receivers could catch that year,then my name aint mrprettydik.Our receivers sucked in 06.So stop trying to place the blame on Vick because you hate that he fought some frikkin dogs.

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Well ranger actually i do.The thing is im very frustrated because i love Matt dont get me wrong but im a diehard Vick fan.Im going to have to switch from cable if Vick does get back in the NFL just to watch his games,an thats going to suck.

wait...you will switch for vick but not for the team we have now?!?! :lol: :lol:

anyway...I hope it all works out for him, and he has a great career, but as for debating his skills, it is not really necessary anymore since he will not be in a falcons uniform ever again..

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To all of you Vick haters you better hope we dont play the 49ers this season they are already talkin about signing Reeves if they get Vick i pray to god we dont play these guys.For all you haters going by stats talking about well Vick is inconsistent you are crazy when he played with Roddy White who has still proved to this day he drops passes.He dropped passes thats has cost us one game against Denver.That if we had of won that game Arizona mightve been playing us in the dome.Because we wouldve had that 2nd seed an been 12-4.remember the Vikings game an Arizona game where he dropped passes that couldve been huge plays.Vick has his best passing season under Reeves with his first time being a starter.When he had decent receivers stop feeding into that media crap.Remember when our team was on the same page when we played the Steelers where Vick threw 4 td passes.GTFO with that he cant pass if you had his athleticism u would use it too.That might just have something to do with being the best mobile qb the league has ever seen.As far as his pass ratings being in the 50's. Think about it 4 a second.OK times up.The falcons led the league i think with drops both years Roddy and Jenkins played with Vick.I know Vick throws laser beams sometimes but most of their drops were when he put the ball right in their frikkin hands.Remember that special Brian Baldinger had about our drops in 06.
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]When he was like thats why the falcons were losing games were because of the drops.remember Peerless sorry azz and Dez White were here before Jenkins an Roddy.Well to all you Vick haters that maybe why his stats were'nt that good, ever think about that,and as far as reading defense's go.With vick's atheleticism he could use that an it would'nt matter.SO STOP HATING ON VICK.I WILL ALWAYS BE A VICK FAN TIL I DIE! BUT I DO LOVE MATT RYAN! HE IS GREAT! BUT LETS JUST PRAY WE BUILD OUR DEFENSE RIGHT IN THE OFFSEASON,CUZ I DO NOT WANNA FACE THIS GUY.WHEN VICK COMES BACK,KEEP IN MIND HE IS GOING TO HAVE A CHIP ON HIS SHOULDER AS IF ITS SOMETHING HE'S GOT TO PROVE.IM TELLING YALL now.SO STOP SAYING THE MAN CANT THROW,THATS B.S remember being the first team to beat Green Bay in a playoff game in lambeau field
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]Remember Vick an our D getting us to the NFC championship game.Stop Hating the guy can pass.He was never surrounded with great receivers,because Roddy an Jenkins could'nt catch at the time,and yall know im right!

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I cannot believe you guys didn't notice who this is?
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:D Hello Flyfalconfan! Screenname change and stupid topics, congrats. You now qualify for being a troll. I might not have noticed it was you, but your attempt at creating paragraphs made it so OBVIOUS. LOL Not too mention you're "last seen" date on your flyfalcon profile directly correlates to the date your current name was created.

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MICHEAL VICK WAS THE BEST QB THE NFL, LEAVE OUT THE STATS,THEY DONT APPLY TO VICKS STYLE

Wow That topic looks familiar!!!

I cannot believe you guys didn't notice who this is? :D :D Hello Flyfalconfan! Screenname change and stupid topics, congrats. You now quality for being a troll. I might not have noticed it was you, but your attempt at creating paragraphs made it so OBVIOUS. LOL Not too mention you're "last seen" date on your flyfalcon profile directly correlates to the date your current name was created.

you are now the official troll screener..... nice work detective!! :lol:

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Well ranger actually i do.The thing is im very frustrated because i love Matt dont get me wrong but im a diehard Vick fan.Im going to have to switch from cable if Vick does get back in the NFL just to watch his games,an thats going to suck.

I think diehard is the key word there. As a Falcons fan I didn't want to lose Vick but he is gone and there isn't a d a m n thing that can be done about it. think about it if Vick was sent to prison for something less offensive than the dogfighting and missed 2 years. Would you want to pay him his original contracted price after he didn't play for 2 years? Take away the dog fighting and he would have to work a new contract Where would the Falcons put him?I think there is a good chance he misses 2009 season as well,not that it is right,what were the Falcons supposed to do?

I am sure when he returns I'll watch,H e l l I hope he does well,the guy has paid a tremendous price.

But I am still pissed at the position he put the Falcons in.

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Question: What good is having a cannon for an arm if you can't hit the target?

Vick can pass, sure, but he couldn't hit the broadside of a barn. It took me a long time to accept that fact. Plus, he runs around so much its not conducive to making any kind of chemistry with the receivers he's working with. Plus, he can't (or won't) read defenses, so his probability of throwing an INT is increased.

The 49ers can have Vick and good luck to both of them.

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One thing i can agree with is he shouldve spent more time in the Film room,but before 06 Vick had winning seasons an considered a winner.But in 06 we lead the NFL in drops once again.Do you remember when Jim dropped to his knees when Roddy dropped a long pass play,you guys keep seeming to forget that.If that aint an indication that our receivers could catch that year,then my name aint mrprettydik.Our receivers sucked in 06.So stop trying to place the blame on Vick because you hate that he fought some frikkin dogs.

I agree, but people don't hate Vick for dog fighting. They hate Vick because he's the epitome of what a NFL QB should NOT be in their minds. He's comes off as a hoodlum, and when your black they would prefer you to act like them at that position. Even then you can still garner hatred 'Donovan McNabb'.

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Question: What good is having a cannon for an arm if you can't hit the target?

Vick can pass, sure, but he couldn't hit the broadside of a barn. It took me a long time to accept that fact. Plus, he runs around so much its not conducive to making any kind of chemistry with the receivers he's working with. Plus, he can't (or won't) read defenses, so his probability of throwing an INT is increased.

The 49ers can have Vick and good luck to both of them.

his TD to INT ratio was always good. He did not throw many INTs.

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his TD to INT ratio was always good. He did not throw many INTs.

No, but the ones he did throw we're attributed to his either overthrowing or underthrowing the WR.

Stats won't show that.

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No, but the ones he did throw we're attributed to his either overthrowing or underthrowing the WR.

Stats won't show that.

Happens to all QBs, like ryans underthrows for ints.

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One thing i can agree with is he shouldve spent more time in the Film room,but before 06 Vick had winning seasons an considered a winner.But in 06 we lead the NFL in drops once again.Do you remember when Jim dropped to his knees when Roddy dropped a long pass play,you guys keep seeming to forget that.If that aint an indication that our receivers could catch that year,then my name aint mrprettydik.Our receivers sucked in 06.So stop trying to place the blame on Vick because you hate that he fought some frikkin dogs.

I was down on Vick long before the dog fighting thing, for the same reasons I've put in here. I've known 3 of the receivers during the Vick era, one from my hometown & 2 others that live near, & are friends with my extended family, and they have all, on separate occasions had the same complaints about Vick as a QB.

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I was down on Vick long before the dog fighting thing, for the same reasons I've put in here. I've known 3 of the receivers during the Vick era, one from my hometown & 2 others that live near, & are friends with my extended family, and they have all, on separate occasions had the same complaints about Vick as a QB.

I do agree, Vick does not make it easy on wideouts. Many players have problems catching his fastballs. Cutler has the same problem but he's a bit more accurate.

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I can't believe so many of you guys got pulled into one of these threads. Blame it on the off-season, I guess. What other former players are we going to discuss next? And what's the point, because they WON'T BE BACK. I wish Vick well in his future endeavors but any team dumb enough to sign a guy who's suitability as a starter is debatable among fans of his former team needs its head examined.

My point: If Vick was all that (and I was a big Vick backer) we would almost all agree on it. Nobody, OP included, can be so deluded to say without a doubt that had we traded him instead of losing him to Penn State, that he doubtless would have done well with a new team. His entire body of work with us is hot/cold, good/horrible, up/down, progress/regress. No matter how you look at it, he had potential to be very good, but he was actually mediocre, as was the team with him.

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Question: What good is having a cannon for an arm if you can't hit the target?

Vick can pass, sure, but he couldn't hit the broadside of a barn. It took me a long time to accept that fact. Plus, he runs around so much its not conducive to making any kind of chemistry with the receivers he's working with. Plus, he can't (or won't) read defenses, so his probability of throwing an INT is increased.

The 49ers can have Vick and good luck to both of them.

Amen. I din't realize how bad Vick was at passing until I got to see Ryan play. Sure, Vick had a big arm but he had no touch and shaky accuracy. You can blame the WR's and OLine all you want but Vick just wan't accurate with the ball and half the time it looked like he didn't know where to go with it. There were some games where he put it all together like the denver game a while back, the steelers game, and a couple more... but there was no consistency. Some of that has to do with coaching and supporting cast but Vick throwing an uncatchable ball a large part of the time had a lot to do with it too.

Don't get me wrong, I used to love Vick. I still think he could've been a good QB had he dedicated himself to football instead of seemingly trying to get by on his amazing talent. And I say 'good' because a QB has to make good decisions on and off the field.. and vick obviously wasn't capable of that when he was here.

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To all of you Vick haters you better hope we dont play the 49ers this season they are already talkin about signing Reeves if they get Vick i pray to god we dont play these guys.For all you haters going by stats talking about well Vick is inconsistent you are crazy when he played with Roddy White who has still proved to this day he drops passes.He dropped passes thats has cost us one game against Denver.That if we had of won that game Arizona mightve been playing us in the dome.Because we wouldve had that 2nd seed an been 12-4.remember the Vikings game an Arizona game where he dropped passes that couldve been huge plays.

Vick has his best passing season under Reeves with his first time being a starter.When he had decent receivers stop feeding into that media crap.Remember when our team was on the same page when we played the Steelers where Vick threw 4 td passes.GTFO with that he cant pass if you had his athleticism u would use it too.That might just have something to do with being the best mobile qb the league has ever seen.As far as his pass ratings being in the 50's. Think about it 4 a second.OK times up.The falcons led the league i think with drops both years Roddy and Jenkins played with Vick.I know Vick throws laser beams sometimes but most of their drops were when he put the ball right in their frikkin hands.Remember that special Brian Baldinger had about our drops in 06.

When he was like thats why the falcons were losing games were because of the drops.remember Peerless sorry azz and Dez White were here before Jenkins an Roddy.Well to all you Vick haters that maybe why his stats were'nt that good, ever think about that,and as far as reading defense's go.With vick's atheleticism he could use that an it would'nt matter.SO STOP HATING ON VICK.I WILL ALWAYS BE A VICK FAN TIL I DIE! BUT I DO LOVE MATT RYAN! HE IS GREAT! BUT LETS JUST PRAY WE BUILD OUR DEFENSE RIGHT IN THE OFFSEASON,CUZ I DO NOT WANNA FACE THIS GUY.WHEN VICK COMES BACK,KEEP IN MIND HE IS GOING TO HAVE A CHIP ON HIS SHOULDER AS IF ITS SOMETHING HE'S GOT TO PROVE.IM TELLING YALL now.SO STOP SAYING THE MAN CANT THROW,THATS B.S remember being the first team to beat Green Bay in a playoff game in lambeau field.Remember Vick an our D getting us to the NFC championship game.Stop Hating the guy can pass.He was never surrounded with great receivers,because Roddy an Jenkins could'nt catch at the time,and yall know im right!

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Amen. I din't realize how bad Vick was at passing until I got to see Ryan play. Sure, Vick had a big arm but he had no touch and shaky accuracy. You can blame the WR's and OLine all you want but Vick just wan't accurate with the ball and half the time it looked like he didn't know where to go with it. There were some games where he put it all together like the denver game a while back, the steelers game, and a couple more... but there was no consistency. Some of that has to do with coaching and supporting cast but Vick throwing an uncatchable ball a large part of the time had a lot to do with it too.

Don't get me wrong, I used to love Vick. I still think he could've been a good QB had he dedicated himself to football instead of seemingly trying to get by on his amazing talent. And I say 'good' because a QB has to make good decisions on and off the field.. and vick obviously wasn't capable of that when he was here.

The O-line is better then when Vick was here but Vick didn't help by standing in the pocket for 10 to 12 seconds. Only O-lineman like Orlando Pace can block that long. The Falcons don't have that luxury so Vick did more harm then help. If Vick did have some solid WR's he still would have been a top tier QB because teams could only blitz Vick from one angle. He was too elusive to attack from the edge. Vick became in his last season an average respectable QB with amazing legs. Everyone in the league knew that, but many especially fans have since forgotten. He really was decent at QB in his last season in Atlanta. Too bad for Vick it was stupidity that really did him in that season. On and off the field.

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Vick has never thrown for over 300 yards and very rarely threw for over 200 yards. He is not a good passing QB.

But it's all the receivers fault. They couldn't catch a cold for Vick, yet those same receivers magically turn into great receivers for the likes of Joey Harrington, Byron Leftwich, Chris Redman, and Matt Ryan. Same for those receivers who came here after have at least some measure of success (not greatness) in other places, but people wanted to believe they had their hands chopped off before playing for us.

So recievers were good pre-Vick, but sucked with Vick. And other receivers have been good post-Vick, but sucked with Vick.

Where are the receivers who were good WITH Vick???? chirp chirp

Yeah, it's only a WR problem, never a QB one.

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I don't think he can pass. He's like a Steve Young. You know, he can escape from the pocket and run. But I remember watching him play and the announcers would point out that a guy was wide open for a 1st down and it was like they were invisible! It's like he just completely ignored their presence.

He was never brought up as a passing QB. Plus, look at his stats, they say it all. Well, to me anyway.

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