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How do you think marijuana being legalized would affect other drugs if at all? :huh: :huh:

i think the major effect may be felt in the way we look at drugs. First off we will certainly see an increase in marijuana use...no denying that. But it should level off. I also think that there are those out there that would be content with the ability to legally and safely use marijuana, rather than other drugs. Perhaps some of the other drug use would decrease. most likely some decrease in other use would be seen. IF the drugs had been legal since day one, and since birth you had been exposed to them and their use, this probably would not be an issue at all right now.

I think the whole attitude we have is all wrong......I think that using marijuana may help ween our way out of this war.....BUT right now I dont think its possible. I think it may be in the near future.....hopefully...

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And people buy drugs to induce pleasure. The difference is artificial. It still a case of one individual purchasing something from another because of a want. It is that right you are attempting to suppress.

This looks like inducing pleasure to you? If it was pleasurable to be addicted to drugs, drug addicts wouldn't feel so low and worthless.

Look at this lady after using crystal meth...

http://www.estatevaults.com/bol/images/%20...and%20after.jpg

Yes, because matches have the purpose of harming people. Like scissors and knives, who have inherent hazards, matches aren't sold and made for the purpose of harming others. My Grandmother used to buy matches for her gas stove top decades ago.

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This looks like inducing pleasure to you? If it was pleasurable to be addicted to drugs, drug addicts wouldn't feel so low and worthless.

Look at this lady after using crystal meth...

http://www.estatevaults.com/bol/images/%20...and%20after.jpg

Yes, because matches have the purpose of harming people. Like scissors and knives, who have inherent hazards, matches aren't sold and made for the purpose of harming others. My Grandmother used to buy matches for her gas stove top decades ago.

People dont get addicted because it sucks....trust me.....maybe eventually ....but we go back for a reason....

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People dont get addicted because it sucks....trust me.....maybe eventually ....but we go back for a reason....

People use drugs because they're dumb. People sell drugs because they want to profit from people becoming like the woman I linked to above.

Yes, dumb. I have never used drugs, nor will I ever start. Maybe it's because I had good parents, unlike drug users out there.

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things got a lil off there......

I say the first solution is REAL education....beginning at school age...

its a huge problem, but I know for sure that pumping more money into already rich pockets is not the solution.......

perhaps by using marijuana as a starting point, we could safely "detox" ourselves from america's drug war

I agree education is key...

all we have to do is stop fighting it.. take the laws off the books, release the prisoners, leave the drug users alone, We'll still have drugs; we'll still have drug problems. We just won't have the war. We have to create a vision that makes this a credible alternative for people in this country. If we can create the vision, then we can end this war. We have to commit ourselves to ending it. I like the Dutch's approach to drugs in their country.. We have to confront those in power, those who currently benefit and profit from the War on Drugs. Support for the War on Drugs in this country is broad and deep

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People use drugs because they're dumb. People sell drugs because they want to profit from people becoming like the woman I linked to above.

Yes, dumb. I have never used drugs, nor will I ever start. Maybe it's because I had good parents, unlike drug users out there.

You never used a drug, legal or illegal?

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People use drugs because they're dumb. People sell drugs because they want to profit from people becoming like the woman I linked to above.

Yes, dumb. I have never used drugs, nor will I ever start. Maybe it's because I had good parents, unlike drug users out there.

dude...i stated earlier that i was a former drug user...I had great parents....nor am i dumb.....your broad ill informed generalizations make you look childish....

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In the context of this thread, the meaning is illegal drugs. Did the OP make a thread about the War on Prozac?

I am aware of the context, but you seem so self righteous, i very seriously doubt you have never been high on a drug, be it legal or illegal thats my point..

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dude...i stated earlier that i was a former drug user...I had great parents....nor am i dumb.....your broad ill informed generalizations make you look childish....

No smart person uses drugs. They can regain the ability to think clearly and quit, and that is smart, but partaking in drug use is not smart. It's a dumb act. You have to be dumb to willingly partake in dumb acts. Not saying one can't remove that label from his actions.

We've all done dumb things (of course never to the extent of doing drugs for me). Not choosing to do it again is smart. Choosing to do it again makes you dumb.

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I am aware of the context, but you seem so self righteous, i very seriously doubt you have never been high on a drug, be it legal or illegal thats my point..

I have never been high. I have never drank, I have never smoke cigarettes, nor have I been high from legal (medicinal) drugs.

Even though I've been heavily exposed to cigarettes all my life from my Grandfather (not second-hand, just exposed to them as an item.), and alcohol here with friends in high school and college. It's stupid to enjoy being intoxicated. It's stupid to think being consciously-absent (drunk) is fun.

I enjoy playing soccer, golfing, playing video games, watching movies... not being intoxicated.

I make mistakes, but defending mistakes should be criticized. You maybe have taken drugs before, but don't defend it.

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No smart person uses drugs. They can regain the ability to think clearly and quit, and that is smart, but partaking in drug use is not smart. It's a dumb act. You have to be dumb to willingly partake in dumb acts. Not saying one can't remove that label from his actions.

We've all done dumb things (of course never to the extent of doing drugs for me). Not choosing to do it again is smart. Choosing to do it again makes you dumb.

The early Greek philosophers who inspired the mental revolution that influenced the birth of democracy were the biggest drug-using lunatics of them all, i guess they were all dumb too.. Seriously, they were much more like medicine men than philosophers. So not only did democracy spring up in a drug-using culture, but its roots lie in a drug-using, shamanistic, intellectual movement. I think it's perfectly safe to say: 'No drugs, no democracy".

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No smart person uses drugs. They can regain the ability to think clearly and quit, and that is smart, but partaking in drug use is not smart. It's a dumb act. You have to be dumb to willingly partake in dumb acts. Not saying one can't remove that label from his actions.

We've all done dumb things (of course never to the extent of doing drugs for me). Not choosing to do it again is smart. Choosing to do it again makes you dumb.

drug use is not a moral issue......it is an interaction of a lot of different forces.....biological (famiy history) sociological, and psych.....

that view is much to simplistic to describe a lot of different forces out there......people have an inherent NEED to experience altered consciousness....america has somehow tried to turn it into a moral judgement...but that is just on the surface...by coating issues like this with the family values terms, they keep this same old thinking in place.....

views like this are part of the problem

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If a 16 year-old, like on COPS recently, is caught with a whole dashboard and center console filled with crack, he should be put to death if convicted, yes.

He was arrested for intent to distribute.

You are more effed up than I orginally thought, bro....

Why not just lock up the parents that drove thier kids to crack :ph34r:

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Its a waste of our money.. U.S. federal, state and local governments have spent hundreds of billions of dollars trying to make America “drug-free.” Yet heroin, cocaine, methamphetamine and other illicit drugs are cheaper, purer and easier to get than ever before. Nearly half a million people are behind bars on drug charges - more than all of western Europe (with a bigger population) incarcerates for all offenses. The war on drugs has become a war on families, a war on public health and a war on our constitutional rights. The United States is now the world's largest jailer, imprisoning nearly half a million people for drug offenses alone.

Well said. Crazy ain't it?

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FWIW

I normally do not "pop off" here at my keyboard....be it discussions or porno :lol:

*ugh umm* seriously though...

Wom, I can understand your hate for drugs. It can and likely will destory a man, family etc etc.

However, killing users, suppliers or even "dumb" people will not fix the problem.

"Two wrongs don't make a right"

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No smart person uses drugs. They can regain the ability to think clearly and quit, and that is smart, but partaking in drug use is not smart. It's a dumb act. You have to be dumb to willingly partake in dumb acts. Not saying one can't remove that label from his actions.

We've all done dumb things (of course never to the extent of doing drugs for me). Not choosing to do it again is smart. Choosing to do it again makes you dumb.

I have a few beers every now and then. I might get a slight "buzz" but not to the point of drunk. That is using drugs. It is not negatively impacting my life. Do you realize that doctors have said that limited amounts of alcohol is actually healthy?

I know several people who smoke pot recreationally and unless they told you, you'd never know it. Heck, I used to smoke pot.

While doing so, I had no problems working, no problems going to college and no problems graduating with good grades.

You can't label people the way you are doing it, it's extremely uninformed to do so...

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I have a few beers every now and then. I might get a slight "buzz" but not to the point of drunk. That is using drugs. It is not negatively impacting my life. Do you realize that doctors have said that limited amounts of alcohol is actually healthy?

I know several people who smoke pot recreationally and unless they told you, you'd never know it. Heck, I used to smoke pot.

While doing so, I had no problems working, no problems going to college and no problems graduating with good grades.

You can't label people the way you are doing it, it's extremely uninformed to do so...

yeah....he kinda took this thread over and completely changed the subject.....kinda my fault for responding for an attention getting technique. Something very interesting is that heroin, in itself, really causes very few adverse health effects. A lot come from the impurities like quanine, fiberglass, and god knows what else people try to cut it with...Same with cocaine

back to my point. There are no good drugs or bad drugs. No one drug can be said to be bad. Heroin, has never killed anyone. A person's use of heroin may have..

I read a study recently about children's cartoons, and I was amazed to see that I think like 70% of kids movies have glorification of alcohol, or tobacco at some point in them. Now when I watch I notice how many cartoons might be smoking or drinking. We have been programming the children to be curios about these substances since they were born. We put in a DARE program, which has actually produced negative results since there is no follow up, and it only serves to peak curiosity. Once they are programmed to be curios about drugs, then we can throw them in jail, for using them. Perhaps we should use those billions to focus on reducing the harms associated with drug use...i.e education, needle exchange, methadone maintenance programs, safe injection sites, etc....

right now we are only padding the pockets of judges and beaurocrats who make billions from the drug war. History has shown that the demand will NEVER go away, and simplistic views like "kill the offenders" are merely an attention seeking mechanism.

I am really surprised and very very happy to see that the majority of you are somewhat in agreement with me on the drug issues. I really expected more people to be in favor of keeping the war going.

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If they decide to financially profit from destroying people's lives, they should be put to death. Making it quick would not only be cost-effective compared to current sentences of decades in prison, but it would clean up the streets.

I believe extermination of groups is called genocide. Despite what you may believe, that is exactly what genocide is. Didn't work out so well for the jews or the American Indians.

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yeah....he kinda took this thread over and completely changed the subject.....kinda my fault for responding for an attention getting technique. Something very interesting is that heroin, in itself, really causes very few adverse health effects. A lot come from the impurities like quanine, fiberglass, and god knows what else people try to cut it with...Same with cocaine

back to my point. There are no good drugs or bad drugs. No one drug can be said to be bad. Heroin, has never killed anyone. A person's use of heroin may have..

I read a study recently about children's cartoons, and I was amazed to see that I think like 70% of kids movies have glorification of alcohol, or tobacco at some point in them. Now when I watch I notice how many cartoons might be smoking or drinking. We have been programming the children to be curios about these substances since they were born. We put in a DARE program, which has actually produced negative results since there is no follow up, and it only serves to peak curiosity. Once they are programmed to be curios about drugs, then we can throw them in jail, for using them. Perhaps we should use those billions to focus on reducing the harms associated with drug use...i.e education, needle exchange, methadone maintenance programs, safe injection sites, etc....

right now we are only padding the pockets of judges and beaurocrats who make billions from the drug war. History has shown that the demand will NEVER go away, and simplistic views like "kill the offenders" are merely an attention seeking mechanism.

I am really surprised and very very happy to see that the majority of you are somewhat in agreement with me on the drug issues. I really expected more people to be in favor of keeping the war going.

I'm all for legalizing pot, no sure about the "harder" drugs but then again, on the addictiveness scale--alcohol and nicotine are #1 and #2 respectively so who knows. I just know I wouldn't want my doctor to be a cokehead...lol

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