Lord Dark Helmet Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 People here think in such simple terms. Oh, Abe has 15.5 sacks. That's great and all, but the other DE's have better ALL-AROUND stats. Peppers, for example, has more tackles, more passes defended, more tackles for a loss, more safeties, and more forced fumbles. You want a guy voted to the Pro Bowl because he leads in ONE statistical category? Get real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyGonzotim2 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 People here think in such simple terms. Oh, Abe has 15.5 sacks. That's great and all, but the other DE's have better ALL-AROUND stats. Peppers, for example, has more tackles, more passes defended, more tackles for a loss, more safeties, and more forced fumbles. You want a guy voted to the Pro Bowl because he leads in ONE statistical category? Get real.dude carolina panthers fans says abraham should have gottten in over peppers. there is one that posted it here on our board, and who said he shoulda been a starter? he should have atleast get in. and by the way abraham beats double teams on a regular basis, is An ELITE pass rushing defensive end in this league. I want you to personally tell John Abraham he isnt a pro bowler until you do that your opionons are wrong and mean nothing, thats probally why im the only one to respond to this non sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUB Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 People here think in such simple terms. Oh, Abe has 15.5 sacks. That's great and all, but the other DE's have better ALL-AROUND stats. Peppers, for example, has more tackles, more passes defended, more tackles for a loss, more safeties, and more forced fumbles. You want a guy voted to the Pro Bowl because he leads in ONE statistical category? Get real.15.5 sacks when your only used in known pass situations is outstanding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconsfan84 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 I want him voted in because the other guys play significantly more than Abraham, which means Abe is a better DE. The three that got voted in also have other people on their d-lines who help them out. The 3 Des that got voted to the pro bowl are on good defenses. plus, abe had 3 more sacks than peppers...Hmm, and since when does Peppers have two safeties? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xFalconLord Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 I gotta take Abe over Peppers hands down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyGonzotim2 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 ppl keep in mind this guy is the same guy that said we didnt have bragging rights over the bucs because they used a back up qb, because his friend told him he didnt have braggin rights dude do u realize that we started a rookie qb in the tampa bay game, and they started a vet , of course we have bragging rights. and the bucs fans brag about wins against us last year, did we even have a starting qb last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimsmusic™ Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 replies from here on out is..TATF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUB Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 I want him voted in because the other guys play significantly more than Abraham, which means Abe is a better DE. The three that got voted in also have other people on their d-lines who help them out. The 3 Des that got voted to the pro bowl are on good defenses. plus, abe had 3 more sacks than peppers...Hmm, and since when does Peppers have two safeties?Abe got robbed of a safety in San Deigo......i dont believe the grounding call added to his stats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WoodyPaige Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 He is a game-changing player and he has been nothing but CLUTCH this year. It's you who needs to get real. Many people in the media (obviously not the ones who voted) and even some fans from opposing teams feel the same way. It's you who needs to get real. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Dark Helmet Posted December 17, 2008 Author Share Posted December 17, 2008 15.5 sacks when your only used in known pass situations is outstanding.Well, he isn't gonna get the votes if he is sitting the bench for most of the game. That leaves him fresh for the passing downs. We all know that if he plays the whole game he will be on IR with another groin injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFan13 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 dude carolina panthers fans says abraham should have gottten in over peppers. there is one that posted it here on our board, and who said he shoulda been a starter? he should have atleast get in. and by the way abraham beats double teams on a regular basis, is An ELITE pass rushing defensive end in this league. I want you to personally tell John Abraham he isnt a pro bowler until you do that your opionons are wrong and mean nothing, thats probally why im the only one to respond to this non sense.I won't say he isn't a pro bowler because he has the stats to prove it. But so do the other guys who got in. All of them deserved it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
formul8or Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Abe has done more with a crappy d-line than any of the pro bowlers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest WoodyPaige Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Well, he isn't gonna get the votes if he is sitting the bench for most of the game. That leaves him fresh for the passing downs. We all know that if he plays the whole game he will be on IR with another groin injury.Ever heard of smart coaching? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DUB Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Well, he isn't gonna get the votes if he is sitting the bench for most of the game. That leaves him fresh for the passing downs. We all know that if he plays the whole game he will be on IR with another groin injury.Doesnt matter if he's sitting in the booth next to Mularkey sipping on Hen & Coke. He produced 15.5 sacks in less than 16 games. CRITICAL sacks at that, and not just the garbage time sacks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncja Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Well, he isn't gonna get the votes if he is sitting the bench for most of the game. That leaves him fresh for the passing downs. We all know that if he plays the whole game he will be on IR with another groin injury.I question anyone who calls themself a fan of the Falcons and does not think Abe got slighted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Falcon Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 People here think in such simple terms. Oh, Abe has 15.5 sacks. That's great and all, but the other DE's have better ALL-AROUND stats. Peppers, for example, has more tackles, more passes defended, more tackles for a loss, more safeties, and more forced fumbles. You want a guy voted to the Pro Bowl because he leads in ONE statistical category? Get real.sacks are generally considered the most important stat for a defensive end. and abraham has been on the sidelines way more than these other guys. He has been a predominant third down player and usually in a passing formation by the offense. He doesn't even play that much on run plays so it's not really expected for him to have more tackles.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karst41 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 People here think in such simple terms. Oh, Abe has 15.5 sacks. That's great and all, but the other DE's have better ALL-AROUND stats. Peppers, for example, has more tackles, more passes defended, more tackles for a loss, more safeties, and more forced fumbles. You want a guy voted to the Pro Bowl because he leads in ONE statistical category? Get real.Dang The Predator is a Bust, and here I was thinkingthat he was playing Lights out All Season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tandy Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 It doesn't matter - he's not going.But, if I were the NFC Probowl DC - I'd rather have Abe than Peppers - hands down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tandy Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 Dang The Predator is a Bust, and here I was thinkingthat he was playing Lights out All Season. That's what you get for thinkin' :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alaxar Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 People here think in such simple terms. Oh, Abe has 15.5 sacks. That's great and all, but the other DE's have better ALL-AROUND stats. Peppers, for example, has more tackles, more passes defended, more tackles for a loss, more safeties, and more forced fumbles. You want a guy voted to the Pro Bowl because he leads in ONE statistical category? Get real.He probably leads in non-called holding penalties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFan13 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 sacks are generally considered the most important stat for a defensive end. and abraham has been on the sidelines way more than these other guys. He has been a predominant third down player and usually in a passing formation by the offense. He doesn't even play that much on run plays so it's not really expected for him to have more tackles..But see thats exactly why they went over Abe in my opinion. People see the other guys as every down DE's that can do more. Where as abe is a pass rush specialist that gets taken out during run plays alot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Dark Helmet Posted December 17, 2008 Author Share Posted December 17, 2008 But see thats exactly why they went over Abe in my opinion. People see the other guys as every down DE's that can do more. Where as abe is a pass rush specialist that gets taken out during run plays alot.Exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vikingfan69 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 People here think in such simple terms. Oh, Abe has 15.5 sacks. That's great and all, but the other DE's have better ALL-AROUND stats. Peppers, for example, has more tackles, more passes defended, more tackles for a loss, more safeties, and more forced fumbles. You want a guy voted to the Pro Bowl because he leads in ONE statistical category? Get real.I completely agree.In addition, I'll post what I said earlier:Jared Allen is FAR superior than Abe.The stats show it. Abe: 15.5 sacks, 33 Tackles, 3 FFJared Allen 14.5 sacks, 48 tackles, 3 FF, 2 safetiesSo the 1 sack Abe has over Allen, is greater than 15 tackles, and 2 safeties? Most of you have probably never played organized football in your lives, so I'll forgive your ignorance.But you have to understand the the purpose of the DE spot is NOT to sack the QB. Their main job is to keep outside contain, which means that no one should get to their outside. A defensive end has to contain the play inside. Which, most means make sure the running back doesn't break containment on their end of the field. Which is why, when people look for the best DE, they look for tackles. With Abe having very few this year, that is why he isn't in the pro-bowl. Abe being in the game only 50% of the time only hurts his argument for being a pro-bowl DE. He gets his sacks because he's fresh against a tired O-line. Unless he can pound it out whistle to whistle throughout the entire game like Tuck, Peppers, or Jared Allen, he will NEVER be a pro-bowler. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sixpanterasixslayersix Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 People here think in such simple terms. Oh, Abe has 15.5 sacks. That's great and all, but the other DE's have better ALL-AROUND stats. Peppers, for example, has more tackles, more passes defended, more tackles for a loss, more safeties, and more forced fumbles. You want a guy voted to the Pro Bowl because he leads in ONE statistical category? Get real.put abraham on the panthers D and peppers on falcons D, how do you think the stats would compare then? Peppers plays on a far better defense, we have a lot of rookies and a brand new scheme that everyone is still learning. Peppers plays on a far superior Defensive line and I seriously doubt he gets doubled as much as Abe does. Peppers has a superior secondary playing behind him also. Abraham means way more to this defense than Peppers does to Carolina. Granted Peppers is a playmaker and **** of a defensive end, but he has a lot more help from his supporting cast and if Abe was in that situation his stats would be even better. Stats can be misleading anyways, we all know what abraham means to this defense whether he's getting sacks or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nolafan33 Posted December 17, 2008 Share Posted December 17, 2008 15.5 sacks when your only used in known pass situations is outstanding.if that is true that is probably why he didn't get in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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