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So, I moseyed over to YouTube and listened to GnR's new album, Chinese Democracy...and considering it was 12 years or so in the making, all I can say is WTF??? I mean, Axl sounds like Axl...sorta...that is when he's not trying to sound like Simple Jack. The music itself isn't bad, but it's a far freakin' cry from Guns & Roses...one track on there, "Streets of Dreams" (the one with the cross between old Axl and new Simple Jack) sounds way too similar to November Rain, minus the cool. All in all, it's not a horrible album, but it's far from what I was expecting or hoping for...it'll sell well, because it's been hyped for over a decade, and I'll probably even end up owning it one day, but this isn't one to rush out and buy/download. For fans of the band that remember what GnR used to sound like, there will be a huge letdown factor when you play this thing. For the newcomers who have never experienced a Guns concert from back in the day, you might not have a bad thing to say about this new album. Maybe it wouldn't be so disappointing if they had released it under a different name...but to call this a Guns & Roses album is pretty sad...should be more like Axl Rose and Some Other Guys. Of course then, it wouldn't have been as hyped and probably wouldn't have sold... :wacko:

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The album sucks. I have been following the drama since first mentioned. I got my hands on all the leaks and the latest 9 leaked songs right before the album came out.

It's a total flop. In some cases, Axl sounds like Mickey Mouse. The music isn't anything GNR. It's a joke.

I mean, "If the world" is a good track to be on a modern xxx porn but not a GNR record.

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Slash was indeed great with GNR, but he dropped a huge Stinky load himself with "Slash's Snakepit". Only it didn't take him 20 years to do it. And I haven't been a fan of ant velvet Revolver stuff either. GNR was a band that was great with all it's parts, and none of those parts have been great without the others.

But thankfully Slash had the smarts not to call his crap Guns and Roses.

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Slash was indeed great with GNR, but he dropped a huge Stinky load himself with "Slash's Snakepit". Only it didn't take him 20 years to do it. And I haven't been a fan of ant velvet Revolver stuff either. GNR was a band that was great with all it's parts, and none of those parts have been great without the others.

But thankfully Slash had the smarts not to call his crap Guns and Roses.

Velvet Revolver's first CD was really good, but yeah Slash's Snakepit was horrendous.

I have always hated Guns n Roses though. Axl Rose is such a horrible singer that it makes it almost unbearable to listen to. His attempt at a ballot with November Rain is just a complete trainwreck. Even James Hetfield could have sang that song better than Rose did. It's the same way I feel about AC/DC. Great musicians, terrible lead singer.

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Like Axl or not, he was perceived among the greatest frontment ever. When he wasn't a cashgrabbing moron, he was a great frontman.

Oh I agree totally. He personified the rock and roll front man image.

So did James Hetfield, and Brian Johnson, and Kurt Cobain....but they were all god awful singers surrounded by phenomenal musicians.

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Oh I agree totally. He personified the rock and roll front man image.

So did James Hetfield, and Brian Johnson, and Kurt Cobain....but they were all god awful singers surrounded by phenomenal musicians.

With respect to Kurt, he wasn't a bad singer. It wasn't in his intentions to sound like something stellar. He was more into giving out that edgy sound. He wasn't about flashy singing.

If anything, he was a horrible guitar player. His melody's are very rare though. The songs were not linear and the vocals added a lot of flavor to them. Anyone who says he was a good guitar player is stupid. He was a good song writer with vocals that grab the soul.

In regards to AC/DC. That style of singing is bleh. He sounds like he records his vocals while constipated on the sh#tter. I wouldn't say brian is surrounded by great musicians. Young has to be one of the most overrated guitar players ever. His playing couldn't any simpler if you had a monkey write it. The drummer? Can you say "recycled beat?"

James I can agree on. Majority of the time his lyrics are below average and his singing was very limited. The in your face type of attitude he had was what made him great. Once bob rock got to him, he drastically became a non-factor in rock n roll.

I have to throw Robert Plant into the overrated category as well. She wasn't buying the stairway to heaven, she was standing on his nuts whenever he sung.

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With respect to Kurt, he wasn't a bad singer. It wasn't in his intentions to sound like something stellar. He was more into giving out that edgy sound. He wasn't about flashy singing.

If anything, he was a horrible guitar player. His melody's are very rare though. The songs were not linear and the vocals added a lot of flavor to them. Anyone who says he was a good guitar player is stupid. He was a good song writer with vocals that grab the soul.

In regards to AC/DC. That style of singing is bleh. He sounds like he records his vocals while constipated on the sh#tter. I wouldn't say brian is surrounded by great musicians. Young has to be one of the most overrated guitar players ever. His playing couldn't any simpler if you had a monkey write it. The drummer? Can you say "recycled beat?"

James I can agree on. Majority of the time his lyrics are below average and his singing was very limited. The in your face type of attitude he had was what made him great. Once bob rock got to him, he drastically became a non-factor in rock n roll.

I have to throw Robert Plant into the overrated category as well. She wasn't buying the stairway to heaven, she was standing on his nuts whenever he sung.

who do you like?

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I have to throw Robert Plant into the overrated category as well. She wasn't buying the stairway to heaven, she was standing on his nuts whenever he sung.

Robert Plant with Zeppelin wasn't overrated. Your perception might be that looking back in retrospect but in their heyday nobody would have made that statement. Back in the 70's Zeppelin set the standard and raised the bar where other bands would only try to follow. His solo work while good couldn't hold a candle to the Zep years.

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Robert Plant with Zeppelin wasn't overrated. Your perception might be that looking back in retrospect but in their heyday nobody would have made that statement. Back in the 70's Zeppelin set the standard and raised the bar where other bands would only try to follow. His solo work while good couldn't hold a candle to the Zep years.

I like the music, just not the vocals. While it is in retrospect, I still would have chose Sabbath over Zeppelin.

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I wasn't expecting the old Guns n' Roses, so it was an okay album IMO. As before, if you are looking for your classic Guns n' Roses bit then you are going to be in for a big disappointment.

Not my favorite kind of stuff though. More into rock and neo-classical instrumental stuff like Yngwie Malmsteen, Joe Satriani, Steve Vai, Paul Gilbert, and Michael Angelo Batio. As for Led Zeppelin, big fan of Plant's vocals. Never was really into the scream-o, growling, deathly kind of stuff. More into the power metalish vocals.

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Why? So you can bash it? LOL

I can see your name with the AC/DC song title. It's simply my opinion.

While I like ACDC the name was not because of that. Was just curious as to who you liked. I thought Robt. plant ruined Led zep...or for me personally anyway although Black Sabbath is ten times worse and Ozzie I don't really even consider a vocalist worthy of considering. But I'm sort of a blues/rock/soul guy. I like Jagger, Joe Cocker, Gregg Allman, Otis Redding, Marvin Gaye, Bonnie Raitt, Lucinda Williams, Anita Baker, etc. All in the ear of the beholder. Why be insecure about what you like?

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I like the music, just not the vocals. While it is in retrospect, I still would have chose Sabbath over Zeppelin.

I liked Sabbath too but their music wasn't comparable to Zeppelin's. They each had a different perspective and feel. I wouldn't prefer one over the other but enjoyed both with equal exuberance. Zeppelin had a presence and mystique about them that made their music almost of mythical proportions and Sabbath had a foreboding overtone of gloom and impeding doom that gave them an aura of spellbinding darkness.

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I hate Robert Plant but he was an imminent part of Zep. How they would have been with another vocalist we will never know. But Personally, I hate his voice just like I hate Geddy Lee.

Two of the worst "legendary" singers. I liek to think what Zep would have sounded like with Bon Scott. Imagine the Ocean... :lol: I can handle Brian Scott but he also has that castrato style of singing. I really prefer the raspy, bluesy thing or even the nasal Dylan thing to the pliers on the testicle style.

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I hate Robert Plant but he was an imminent part of Zep. How they would have been with another vocalist we will never know. But Personally, I hate his voice just like I hate Geddy Lee.

Blech...Geddy Lee blows as a vocalist. In fact, I'm not enamored with the band Rush at all...IMO, Rush is one of the most overrated bands I've ever heard...a decent song here and there, but nothing to warrant being called one of the best of all time... :wacko:

Two of the worst "legendary" singers. I liek to think what Zep would have sounded like with Bon Scott. Imagine the Ocean... :lol: I can handle Brian Scott but he also has that castrato style of singing. I really prefer the raspy, bluesy thing or even the nasal Dylan thing to the pliers on the testicle style.

Brian Scott fronting Zep would've been something to behold...not sure how it would've worked, but the implications are definitely big enough to ponder for awhile... :lol:

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While I like ACDC the name was not because of that. Was just curious as to who you liked. I thought Robt. plant ruined Led zep...or for me personally anyway although Black Sabbath is ten times worse and Ozzie I don't really even consider a vocalist worthy of considering. But I'm sort of a blues/rock/soul guy. I like Jagger, Joe Cocker, Gregg Allman, Otis Redding, Marvin Gaye, Bonnie Raitt, Lucinda Williams, Anita Baker, etc. All in the ear of the beholder. Why be insecure about what you like?

I'm not insecure about what I like. It is just kind of irrelevant to this topic. People are talking rock n roll front men and I don't like bands that play into that.

GNR were definitely a force in their prime.

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