The White catch out of bounds, are the officials seeing something im not

[Ice74]

Was the ruling on that wrong, even Billick said it was a good catch and bad replay,

was the ref right??

Also.......the one play where Douglas was held downfield, how that was not called PI, i dont know, the DB grabbed Douglas,

and the ref didnt call it,

we've been getting hosed by the refs this year

[Mufasa]

Video? I only saw it like twice, in LQ.

[Deacon 13]

Strange play and call by the replay guys..............probably see that one on the NFL network again this week.

[bossFALCON™]

refs sucked. im sure some people saw the dallas game yesterday where #42 (cant think of his name) ABUSED bryant johnson in the endzone, yet there was no PI call. if the niners got that TD they would have had a good chance at winning that game.

[octoslash]

They also gave us a very questionable 15 yards on a horse collar that was not really what I would call a horse collar. The Pantie player barely even touched our guy (I forget who had the ball).

So bad calls usually even out for everybody. Hey....we won.

[coryb78]

Well I'm really not one to cry about referee calls pretty much ever because I live by the, "win some lose some" philosophy. I didn't get to see the White play because I was on the move but as far as the Douglass play all I can tell you is that there as absolutly contact and the only reason I can think that they didn't call it was because it was incidental but it looked like PI to me for sure.

[dirty4life]

Was the ruling on that wrong, even Billick said it was a good catch and bad replay,

was the ref right??

Also.......the one play where Douglas was held downfield, how that was not called PI, i dont know, the DB grabbed Douglas,

and the ref didnt call it,

we've been getting hosed by the refs this year

I can't understand whats going on with the ref's this year. I mean is is just CRAZY the calls and the lack of calls that have been going on. BUT I guess that is helping us to be the team we are. A NO EXCUSE team that makes up for the refs withs PLAYS!!!

[Remarkable]

You have to complete the catch. It was the correct call.

[Ice74]

that throw by Ryan was crazy, he was moving to his right, threw the ball off his front leg, angled to where only White could catch it, and Gamble had good coverage on it

[Ice74]

I understood it that he had possession of it, and when he hit the ground the ball came loose, if that happens in the field of play it would be ruled a fumble??

[Bring It]

One word describes the zebras..........................INEPT.

[BlacksburgHokie]

They also gave us a very questionable 15 yards on a horse collar that was not really what I would call a horse collar. The Pantie player barely even touched our guy (I forget who had the ball).

I thought that horse collar tackle was pretty legit - the defender used the neck part of the uniform as a handle to pull the runner down from behind. Just because it wasn't a particularly nasty fall doesn't make it any more legal...

[Remarkable]

I understood it that he had possession of it, and when he hit the ground the ball came loose, if that happens in the field of play it would be ruled a fumble??

It's a catch and fumble when the player has control of the ball and make a "football move" before he loses the ball. When you catch the ball falling down you can't make a "football move" so you have to hold onto the ball after you hit the ground. Roddy didn't do that.

[Tandy]

It's a catch and fumble when the player has control of the ball and make a "football move" before he loses the ball. When you catch the ball falling down you can't make a "football move" so you have to hold onto the ball after you hit the ground. Roddy didn't do that.

He turned and took 2 steps before going out of bounds. He made a football move.

[keithbrooking56]

It's a catch and fumble when the player has control of the ball and make a "football move" before he loses the ball. When you catch the ball falling down you can't make a "football move" so you have to hold onto the ball after you hit the ground. Roddy didn't do that.

Disagree. White established possession, took two or three steps then went out of bounds. Play is then over. He could have immediately thrown the ball into the stands and it would have been a catch. That was a horrible call.

[DefenseWinzCliche]

I thought that horse collar tackle was pretty legit - the defender used the neck part of the uniform as a handle to pull the runner down from behind. Just because it wasn't a particularly nasty fall doesn't make it any more legal...

Also. The defender didnt complain about it at all. I think it was Chris Harris. He knew he did it. The only thing that made it look not so blatant was that Jenkins had another guy forcing his momentum forward, thus putting less strain on Jenkins' lower body and knees.

[Twizt3d]

He turned and took 2 steps before going out of bounds. He made a football move.

That's what I was thinking/saw. I believe Billick had the call right, the ball should've been a catch. He had possession in bounds and then fell out of bounds to lose it upon hitting the ground, IMO. Either way...the refs have been horrendous all around this year. Someone a few posts above said it best probably...you win some you lose some.

[iDash]

I want send it in ,

I want an Apology,

it could have cost us the Game,

When Roddy's Knee hit out of Bounds, The Play is Over.

[andygsu]

the nfl seems to have addopted this rule that you must maintain possession of the ball all the way to and through the ground, even if you are already out of bounds. i don't necessarily agree with it, but that's what they are doing these days. by that rule, it was the correct call.

the call on HD wasn't PI, it was illegal contact. the ball wasn't in the air when the penalty occured.

[DefenseWinzCliche]

BTW. You no longer need to make a "football move". The Competition Committee removed that language from the definition of a catch. Also, Roddy took 3 steps in bounds. Even under the old definition, that was a catch.

[Remarkable]

He didn't turn and take two steps. He took two steps falling out of bounds. The ref said something to that effect. You just need to keep possession of the ball when you hit the ground.

I'm not saying it's a good rule (remember the Jenkins no catch in Chicago 2-3 years ago?), but it is the rule.

[Tandy]

the nfl seems to have addopted this rule that you must maintain possession of the ball all the way to and through the ground, even if you are already out of bounds. i don't necessarily agree with it, but that's what they are doing these days. by that rule, it was the correct call.

the call on HD wasn't PI, it was illegal contact. the ball wasn't in the air when the penalty occured.

That's not quite correct. This is only true if you catch the ball on the way out of bounds. In this case, he caught the ball inbounds, turned, took a couple of steps and went out of bounds, where he lost possession when it hit the ground - that was a catch, no matter how you want to twist it - it was a catch. One of the rare times they showed the replay on the Jumbotron multiple times. I haven't seen the video yet, but it was a catch.

As for the illegal contact, they didn't call anything, so moot point.

[Remarkable]

That's not quite correct. This is only true if you catch the ball on the way out of bounds. In this case, he caught the ball inbounds, turned, took a couple of steps and went out of bounds, where he lost possession when it hit the ground - that was a catch, no matter how you want to twist it - it was a catch. One of the rare times they showed the replay on the Jumbotron multiple times. I haven't seen the video yet, but it was a catch.

As for the illegal contact, they didn't call anything, so moot point.

I'm watching it right now. He never turned. He was falling to the ground with those steps.

[Tandy]

I'm watching it right now. He never turned. He was falling to the ground with those steps.

I'll take your word for it - I haven't seen the video. I'll watch it later this afternoon. If he never turned or took steps - then it was the correct call.

[DefenseWinzCliche]

Of course he turned. His opposite shoulder hit out of bounds. But the turn doesnt matter. He has one foot down upon reception. Then 2 feet touch afterwards. If you get 3 feet down with possesion, it's a catch. There is no doubt about that.