Dirty Bird Ronnie Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 I've seen him do this a few times. A clever snap count, he gets a defender to jump... Then he will hike and kneel. But why?Why not air it out? Tom Brady would heave it, who cares if it got picked. You are getting five yards anyway. Why not try to hit paydirt with the free play...thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ol'_dirty2 Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 I've seen him do this a few times. A clever snap count, he gets a defender to jump... Then he will hike and kneel. But why?Why not air it out? Tom Brady would heave it, who cares if it got picked. You are getting five yards anyway. Why not try to hit paydirt with the free play...thoughts?No need in leaving it up to the refs to get it right. Remember the Philly game?!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 I think the coaches tell him to kneel it instead of taking the free play. I'm sure that only applies because he is a rookie. That won't be that way next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tandy Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 I've seen him do this a few times. A clever snap count, he gets a defender to jump... Then he will hike and kneel. But why?Why not air it out? Tom Brady would heave it, who cares if it got picked. You are getting five yards anyway. Why not try to hit paydirt with the free play...thoughts?Why risk it. What if they negate the call - it's been done. Then you've potentially turned the ball over and you'll be on here crying about why he didn't just kneel it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Bird Ronnie Posted November 20, 2008 Author Share Posted November 20, 2008 Why risk it. What if they negate the call - it's been done. Then you've potentially turned the ball over and you'll be on here crying about why he didn't just kneel it.He did this on fourth down last week. What's the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerosmith67 Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Matt is actually doing the right thing, what you're seeing isn't standard plays that just happen to draw guys offsides, rather what you're seeing is a "play" design for the sole purpose of drawing the defensive players offsides. In the case of the play against Denver, it was a designed call based around Matt's insane ability to change up his cadence and fake out the defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerosmith67 Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 He did this on fourth down last week. What's the difference?It was a designed call.. there's a huge difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Bird Ronnie Posted November 20, 2008 Author Share Posted November 20, 2008 I think the coaches tell him to kneel it instead of taking the free play. I'm sure that only applies because he is a rookie. That won't be that way next year.Probably the likely answer. I just don't get it. Even Joey Harrington can't screw up a free play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B^rooklyn Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 I few weeks ago, during the Jets and Cardinals game.A DL on the Cardnals clearly jumped offsides as soon as Brett Favre hiked the ball.He thought it was a free play and threw an interception, that counted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerosmith67 Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 I think the coaches tell him to kneel it instead of taking the free play. I'm sure that only applies because he is a rookie. That won't be that way next year.Possibly, but Ryan does have an uncanny ability to draw guys offsides, taking a knee is all that is needed in many cases. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Bird Ronnie Posted November 20, 2008 Author Share Posted November 20, 2008 It was a designed call.. there's a huge difference.Why would you design a kneel down on fourth down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirty Bird Ronnie Posted November 20, 2008 Author Share Posted November 20, 2008 I few weeks ago, during the Jets and Cardinals game.A DL on the Cardnals clearly jumped offsides as soon as Brett Favre hiked the ball.He thought it was a free play and threw an interception, that counted.but the same goes for the 4th down kneel down. That would have been a turnover on downs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cali_fan420 Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 If you draw someone offsides, they will more than likely come through unblocked. Why risk an injury in that situation. Just kneel and take the 5 yards. Smart football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaytrey Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 I think the coaches have told him to do that to esure that he doesn't get hurt. When he kneels down the play is over. The defense sees this and they pull up. I feel that this is only b/c he is a rookie. Or hey guys...it could be a bait of some sort. Think about it! All teams now have film and footage of Matt Ryan kneeling on off-side plays. What if later on in the season, the coach tells him "Matt, now if you draw a team off-sides go for the big play...they won't be expecting it from you". I have no idea if this is true or even workable, it just sounds good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerosmith67 Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 I few weeks ago, during the Jets and Cardinals game.A DL on the Cardnals clearly jumped offsides as soon as Brett Favre hiked the ball.He thought it was a free play and threw an interception, that counted.Exactly, why take the risk in airing it out? It's simply not worth the risk in turning it over, risking injury, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phattywankenobi Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 I've seen him do this a few times. A clever snap count, he gets a defender to jump... Then he will hike and kneel. But why?Why not air it out? Tom Brady would heave it, who cares if it got picked. You are getting five yards anyway. Why not try to hit paydirt with the free play...thoughts?Maybe because it was a running play. I have seen him take a free shot down field numerous times when the D was clearly offsides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tandy Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 He did this on fourth down last week. What's the difference?Could be 6 points. Pick 6. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerosmith67 Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Why would you design a kneel down on fourth down?You don't get it, the design of the play is to draw the guys offsides, if they don't jump you call a timeout and punt the ball.. Matt Ryan is fantastic at drawing guys offsides with his cadence.. it's something you won't find in Madden so it might be tough to comprehend! :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SLICK NICK Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 I think it was more Todd McClure saw they jumped so he snapped the ball, and instead of Ryan and the offense not all being on the page and trying to finish the play that nobody else knew started, because it didn't start on the right count. Ryan just took a knee. Also no need to risk injury. Just a heads up play on McClure and Ryan's part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Possibly, but Ryan does have an uncanny ability to draw guys offsides, taking a knee is all that is needed in many cases.Yes and I saw that in preseason. He is great at doing that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerosmith67 Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 I think the coaches have told him to do that to esure that he doesn't get hurt. When he kneels down the play is over. The defense sees this and they pull up. I feel that this is only b/c he is a rookie. Or hey guys...it could be a bait of some sort. Think about it! All teams now have film and footage of Matt Ryan kneeling on off-side plays. What if later on in the season, the coach tells him "Matt, now if you draw a team off-sides go for the big play...they won't be expecting it from you". I have no idea if this is true or even workable, it just sounds good!I like it, similar to the fake spike play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aerosmith67 Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Yes and I saw that in preseason. He is great at doing that.He may not have all of the physical gifts that wow the average fan but these type of skills will make Ryan a great QB for years to come. It's been quite a while since I've seen an NFL QB employ that technique on a consistent basis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tandy Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 I know when I saw them go out there - I looked at hubby - Hard Count. I swear, he is almost as good at it as the master of the hard count and we all know who that is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ghost Rider Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Matthew Stafford does the same thing. I don't know. He's just satisfied with the free yardage. Either way is ok really. It keeps him from taking free shots from D-lineman who jumped early. It's a good question. Surprised no one ever asked him about it. I think Peyton used to do that too. It might not be him but I know I've seen some QB's doing this in the past. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~SEAMILL~ Posted November 20, 2008 Share Posted November 20, 2008 Possibly, but Ryan does have an uncanny ability to draw guys offsides, taking a knee is all that is needed in many cases.I've notice that. He started early in the preseason and I was like "man, he must have an awesome hard count." On average I bet he gets at least one a game, dating back the preseason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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