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Shouldn't have even been close given his violation of the public trust. He should have done the honorable thing and stepped aside and allowed someone else to run on the Republican side as soon as he was indicted.

Interestingly, Begich is pro-gun and supports drilling in ANWAR. Probably not your typical liberal Democrat type. Really need Chambliss and Coleman to win to have some semblance of balance in government. Chambliss should win, but who knows what shenanigans will occur with the Minnesota recount?

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Saxby will win......

Lots of suspicious stuff going on in Minnesota.......that one is gonna be close.

Stevens should have quit immediately. The Republicans got what they deserved there losing that seat. The GOP should have insisted he resign.

But if he would have resigned I don't think the GOP would have been able to put another candidate on the ballot in time for the election. I could be wrong but I'm thinking that they would have been forced to resort to write-in's in order to get a Republican candidate elected and that would have never worked.

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And in case they don't...Maine's two senators can always be counted on in crunch time! They're basically Dems! :D

Arlen Specter and possibly McCain too..Bernie Sanders is listed as an independant but is also a self declared socialist (a real socialist not a "socialist") Not sure if he is already included in the 58.. But either way the GOP is screwed even if they win GA and Minny.

Good times....

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Arlen Specter and possibly McCain too..Bernie Sanders is listed as an independant but is also a self declared socialist (a real socialist not a "socialist") Not sure if he is already included in the 58.. But either way the GOP is screwed even if they win GA and Minny.

Good times....

I'm curious: What is so "good times" about one single party with unchecked control? I'm amazed that any American would be in favor of something so absolutely dangerous. :blink: :(

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I'm curious: What is so "good times" about one single party with unchecked control?

The fact that something might actually get done for a change.. And look at it this way..If it all goes bad you can point the finger and not take any of the blame for your party.....

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The fact that something might actually get done for a change.. And look at it this way..If it all goes bad you can't point the finger and not take any of the blame for your party.....

Fair enough- So you want the government to make something "get done"?

I guess your sentiment is noble, but the problem for me is, government is not capable of making things 'get done'.

Can you name a single government program that isn't a complete cluster f--k? Honestly, I can't think of one successful federal project other than the Hoover Dam and the Interstate Highway system.

I guess we just see things differently, because in my 45 years, I've yet to see government actually FIX anything. My wish would be for government to STOP doing whatever the **** it is they do up there, and let the people work our own lives.

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Fair enough- So you want the government to make something "get done"?

I guess your sentiment is noble, but the problem for me is, government is not capable of making things 'get done'.

Can you name a single government program that isn't a complete cluster f--k? Honestly, I can't think of one successful federal project other than the Hoover Dam and the Interstate Highway system.

I guess we just see things differently, because in my 45 years, I've yet to see government actually FIX anything. My wish would be for government to STOP doing whatever the **** it is they do up there, and let the people work our own lives.

Hopefully if we can get the crowd that is always yelling "government isn't the answer" and "government is the problem and not the solution" out of government we might see some progress..

I wouldn't want a doctor operating on me that didn't believe in medicine or science..So why would I want an elected official that doesn't believe in government?

And government programs aren't perfect bu they have worked for millions of people, saved lives and helped bring balance when needed. I'm sure we all know someone who would have never gotten a college education if not for government programs.. A lot of starving kids would have never gotten fed without programs. A lot of sick people would have died without programs..All government programs and regulations aren't meant to harm and take from you. Some are actually in place to help protect its citizens..I for one think seatbelts and airbags were a good idea. You might see it as an intrusion of your freedom but to each their own I suppose...

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Fair enough- So you want the government to make something "get done"?

I guess your sentiment is noble, but the problem for me is, government is not capable of making things 'get done'.

Can you name a single government program that isn't a complete cluster f--k? Honestly, I can't think of one successful federal project other than the Hoover Dam and the Interstate Highway system.

I guess we just see things differently, because in my 45 years, I've yet to see government actually FIX anything. My wish would be for government to STOP doing whatever the **** it is they do up there, and let the people work our own lives.

The problem I have with that perspective is the standard by which you're juding the success or failure of government activity. Rather than judging their actions against an ideal or against absolute success, I think we need to judge the success of their actions against what would happen had they done nothing. In that context, there are a great many things the government does pretty well considering the alternative.

You're not going to find anyone who will point to any government program and call it 100% successful, but to say that because it isn't that it's 100% failure is a cyniocal and impractical way to view the machinations of a massive, complex country.

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Hopefully if we can get the crowd that is always yelling "government isn't the answer" and "government is the problem and not the solution" out of government we might see some progress..

I wouldn't want a doctor operating on me that didn't believe in medicine or science..So why would I want an elected official that doesn't believe in government?

And government programs aren't perfect bu they have worked for millions of people, saved lives and helped bring balance when needed. I'm sure we all know someone who would have never gotten a college education if not for government programs.. A lot of starving kids would have never gotten fed without programs. A lot of sick people would have died without programs..All government programs and regulations aren't meant to harm and take from you. Some are actually in place to help protect its citizens..I for one think seatbelts and airbags were a good idea. You might see it as an intrusion of your freedom but to each their own I suppose...

The problem is that you assume it wouldn't have gotten done without government. For example, seat belts and air bags were put in cars by manufacturers as a selling point of safety well before government required it. Same thing with every advance. The government just becomes the ultimate arbiter through mandates, many times in response to lobbyists in support of these new innovations.

Your quote below interested me. What "belief" around government are you looking for from the elected official?

I wouldn't want a doctor operating on me that didn't believe in medicine or science..So why would I want an elected official that doesn't believe in government?
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The problem I have with that perspective is the standard by which you're juding the success or failure of government activity. Rather than judging their actions against an ideal or against absolute success, I think we need to judge the success of their actions against what would happen had they done nothing. In that context, there are a great many things the government does pretty well considering the alternative.

You're not going to find anyone who will point to any government program and call it 100% successful, but to say that because it isn't that it's 100% failure is a cyniocal and impractical way to view the machinations of a massive, complex country.

Okay. Let's judge them on just that.

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