Question about Micheal Vick?

[DirtyBirdzBeastMode]

argument with friends,,, i jus wanted to know ,,, anybody know for sure ,,, any links to prove it

[edZep]

Research it yourself ,ya lazy bum !

[DirtyBirdzBeastMode]

honestly i tried,,, but its too hard

[edZep]

honestly i tried,,, but its too hard

That's what your mama said last night !

[DirtyBirdzBeastMode]

grow up buddy

[DirtyBirdzBeastMode]

grow up buddy

[Falcons Ace]

No. He was just slightly above .500. Manning, Brady, Favre, all had more wins than him and/or a better winning %. He was the most winningest QB for the Atlanta Falcons in terms of winning %, but he didn't have the most wins in franchise history either.

[DemDirtyBirds4]

no im betting Brady and Manning had better win %

[Hokies&Falcons]

argument with friends,,, i jus wanted to know ,,, anybody know for sure ,,, any links to prove it

No, he wasn't the winningest in the NFL...

I think his record as a starter was 38-28-1 or something like that...

[edZep]

argument with friends,,, i jus wanted to know ,,, anybody know for sure ,,, any links to prove it

That is a stupid question !

[Tandy]

No. He was just slightly above .500. Manning, Brady, Favre, all had more wins than him and/or a better winning %. He was the most winningest QB for the Atlanta Falcons in terms of winning %, but he didn't have the most wins in franchise history either.

Winningest with over 50 games. Matt's percentage is higher.

[Waterproof_ace83]

No, he wasn't the winningest in the NFL...

I think his record as a starter was 38-28-1 or something like that...

yup, and most of his wins cane against the bottom of the league. his record against playoff teams was 6-19-1. He just wins!!!

[Falconsfan567]

There's a great website where you can find out all this stuff. But I will do the research since I don't have anything else to do. Here I will list his record as a starter and his record against teams with winning records.

2001 = 1-0 (Win over 2-5 Cowboys)

2001 = 1-1 (Loss to 13-2 Rams) (0-1 vs. Winning Record)

2002 = 1-2 (Loss to 0-0 Packers)

2002 = 1-3 (Loss to 1-0 Bears) (0-2 vs. Winning Record)

2002 = 2-3 (Win over 0-2 Bengals)

2002 = 2-4 (Loss to 3-1 Buccaneers) (0-3 vs. Winning Record)

2002 = 3-4 (Win over 3-3 Panthers)

2002 = 4-4 (Win over 6-1 Saints) (1-3 vs. Winning Record)

2002 = 5-4 (Win over 3-4 Ravens)

2002 = 5-4-1 (Tie against 5-3 Steelers) (1-3-1 vs. Winning Record)

2002 = 6-4-1 (Win over 7-2 Saints) (2-3-1 vs. Winning Record)

2002 = 7-4-1 (Win over 3-8 Panthers)

2002 = 8-4-1 (Win over 3-8 Vikings)

2002 = 8-5-1 (Loss to 9-3 Buccaneers) (2-4-1 vs. Winning Record)

2002 = 8-6-1 (Loss to 4-9 Seahawks)

2002 = 9-6-1 (Win over 3-11 Lions)

2002 = 9-7-1 (Loss to 8-7 Browns) (2-5-1 vs. Winning Record)

*2002 = 10-7-1 (Win over 12-4 Packers) (3-5-1 vs. Winning Record)

*2002 = 10-8-1 (Loss to 12-4 Eagles) (3-6-1 vs. Winning Record)

2003 = 11-8-1 (Win over 8-4 Panthers) (4-6-1 vs. Winning Record)

2003 = 11-9-1 (Loss to 10-3 Colts) (4-7-1 vs. Winning Record)

2003 = 12-9-1 (Win over 7-7 Buccaneers)

2003 = 13-9-1 (Win over 5-10 Jaguars)

2004 = 14-9-1 (Win over 0-0 49ers)

2004 = 15-9-1 (Win over 1-0 Rams) (5-7-1 vs. Winning Record)

2004 = 16-9-1 (win over 0-2 Cardinals)

2004 = 17-9-1 (Win over 1-1 Panthers)

2004 = 17-10-1 (Loss to 2-1 Lions) (5-8-1 vs. Winning Record)

2004 = 18-10-1 (Win over 3-2 Chargers) (6-8-1 vs. Winning Record)

2004 = 18-11-1 (Loss to 1-4 Chiefs)

2004 = 19-11-1 (Win over 5-2 Broncos) (7-8-1 vs. Winning Record)

2004 = 20-11-1 (Win over 3-5 Buccaneers)

2004 = 21-11-1 (Win over 5-4 Giants) (8-8-1 vs. Winning Record)

2004 = 22-11-1 (Win over 4-6 Saints)

2004 = 22-12-1 (Loss to 4-7 Buccaneers)

2004 = 23-12-1 (Win over 4-8 Raiders)

2004 = 24-12-1 (Win over 6-7 Panthers)

2004 = 24-13-1 (Loss to 8-7 Seahawks) (8-9-1 vs. Winning Record)

*2004 = 25-13-1 (Win over 9-8 Rams)(9-9-1 vs. Winning Record)

*2004 = 25-14-1 (Loss to 14-3 Eagles) (9-10-1 vs. Winning Record)

2005 = 26-14-1 (Win over 0-0 Eagles)

2005 = 26-15-1 (Loss to 0-1 Seahawks)

2005 = 27-15-1 (Win over 1-1 Bills)

2005 = 28-15-1 (Win over 1-2 Vikings)

2005 = 29-15-1 (Win over 2-3 Saints)

2005 = 30-15-1 (Win over 2-4 Jets)

2005 = 31-15-1 (Win over 3-4 Dolphins)

2005 = 31-16-1 (Loss to 1-7 Packers)

2005 = 31-17-1 (Loss to 6-3 Buccaneers) (9-11-1 vs. Winning Record)

2005 = 32-17-1 (Win over 4-6 Lions)

2005 = 32-18-1 (Loss to 8-3 Panthers) (9-12-1 vs. Winning Record)

2005 = 33-18-1 (Win over 3-9 Saints)

2005 = 33-19-1 (Loss to 9-4 Bears) (9-13-1 vs. Winning Record)

2005 = 33-20-1 (Loss to 9-5 Buccaneers) (9-14-1 vs. Winning Record)

2005 = 33-21-1 (Loss to 10-5 Panthers) (9-15-1 vs. Winning Record)

2006 = 34-21-1 (Win over 0-0 Panthers)

2006 = 35-21-1 (Win over 0-1 Buccaneers)

2006 = 35-22-1 (Loss to 2-0 Saints) (9-16-1 vs. Winning Record)

2006 = 36-22-1 (Win over 1-2 Cardinals)

2006 = 36-23-1 (Loss to 2-2 Giants)

2006 = 37-23-1 (Win over 2-3 Steelers)

2006 = 38-23-1 (Win over 4-2 Bengals) (10-16-1 vs. Winning Record)

2006 = 38-24-1 (Loss to 1-6 Lions)

2006 = 38-25-1 (Loss to 2-6 Browns)

2006 = 38-26-1 (Loss to 7-2 Ravens) (10-17-1 vs. Winning Record)

2006 = 38-27-1 (Loss to 6-4 Saints) (10-18-1 vs. Winning Record)

2006 = 39-27-1 (Win over 4-7 Redskins)

2006 = 40-27-1 (Win over 3-9 Buccaneers)

2006 = 40-28-1 (Loss to 8-5 Cowboys) (10-19-1 vs. Winning Record)

2006 = 40-29-1 (Loss to 6-8 Panthers)

2006 = 40-30-1 (Loss to 9-6 Eagles) (10-20-1 vs. Winning Record)

Counting the playoffs his record is 40-30-1 (.571)

His record versus teams with a winning record is 10-20-1 (.333)

[Waterproof_ace83]

There's a great website where you can find out all this stuff. But I will do the research since I don't have anything else to do. Here I will list his record as a starter and his record against teams with winning records.

2001 = 1-0 (Win over 2-5 Cowboys)

2001 = 1-1 (Loss to 13-2 Rams) (0-1 vs. Winning Record)

2002 = 1-2 (Loss to 0-0 Packers)

2002 = 1-3 (Loss to 1-0 Bears) (0-2 vs. Winning Record)

2002 = 2-3 (Win over 0-2 Bengals)

2002 = 2-4 (Loss to 3-1 Buccaneers) (0-3 vs. Winning Record)

2002 = 3-4 (Win over 3-3 Panthers)

2002 = 4-4 (Win over 6-1 Saints) (1-3 vs. Winning Record)

2002 = 5-4 (Win over 3-4 Ravens)

2002 = 5-4-1 (Tie against 5-3 Steelers) (1-3-1 vs. Winning Record)

2002 = 6-4-1 (Win over 7-2 Saints) (2-3-1 vs. Winning Record)

2002 = 7-4-1 (Win over 3-8 Panthers)

2002 = 8-4-1 (Win over 3-8 Vikings)

2002 = 8-5-1 (Loss to 9-3 Buccaneers) (2-4-1 vs. Winning Record)

2002 = 8-6-1 (Loss to 4-9 Seahawks)

2002 = 9-6-1 (Win over 3-11 Lions)

2002 = 9-7-1 (Loss to 8-7 Browns) (2-5-1 vs. Winning Record)

*2002 = 10-7-1 (Win over 12-4 Packers) (3-5-1 vs. Winning Record)

*2002 = 10-8-1 (Loss to 12-4 Eagles) (3-6-1 vs. Winning Record)

2003 = 11-8-1 (Win over 8-4 Panthers) (4-6-1 vs. Winning Record)

2003 = 11-9-1 (Loss to 10-3 Colts) (4-7-1 vs. Winning Record)

2003 = 12-9-1 (Win over 7-7 Buccaneers)

2003 = 13-9-1 (Win over 5-10 Jaguars)

2004 = 14-9-1 (Win over 0-0 49ers)

2004 = 15-9-1 (Win over 1-0 Rams) (5-7-1 vs. Winning Record)

2004 = 16-9-1 (win over 0-2 Cardinals)

2004 = 17-9-1 (Win over 1-1 Panthers)

2004 = 17-10-1 (Loss to 2-1 Lions) (5-8-1 vs. Winning Record)

2004 = 18-10-1 (Win over 3-2 Chargers) (6-8-1 vs. Winning Record)

2004 = 18-11-1 (Loss to 1-4 Chiefs)

2004 = 19-11-1 (Win over 5-2 Broncos) (7-8-1 vs. Winning Record)

2004 = 20-11-1 (Win over 3-5 Buccaneers)

2004 = 21-11-1 (Win over 5-4 Giants) (8-8-1 vs. Winning Record)

2004 = 22-11-1 (Win over 4-6 Saints)

2004 = 22-12-1 (Loss to 4-7 Buccaneers)

2004 = 23-12-1 (Win over 4-8 Raiders)

2004 = 24-12-1 (Win over 6-7 Panthers)

2004 = 24-13-1 (Loss to 8-7 Seahawks) (8-9-1 vs. Winning Record)

*2004 = 25-13-1 (Win over 9-8 Rams)(9-9-1 vs. Winning Record)

*2004 = 25-14-1 (Loss to 14-3 Eagles) (9-10-1 vs. Winning Record)

2005 = 26-14-1 (Win over 0-0 Eagles)

2005 = 26-15-1 (Loss to 0-1 Seahawks)

2005 = 27-15-1 (Win over 1-1 Bills)

2005 = 28-15-1 (Win over 1-2 Vikings)

2005 = 29-15-1 (Win over 2-3 Saints)

2005 = 30-15-1 (Win over 2-4 Jets)

2005 = 31-15-1 (Win over 3-4 Dolphins)

2005 = 31-16-1 (Loss to 1-7 Packers)

2005 = 31-17-1 (Loss to 6-3 Buccaneers) (9-11-1 vs. Winning Record)

2005 = 32-17-1 (Win over 4-6 Lions)

2005 = 32-18-1 (Loss to 8-3 Panthers) (9-12-1 vs. Winning Record)

2005 = 33-18-1 (Win over 3-9 Saints)

2005 = 33-19-1 (Loss to 9-4 Bears) (9-13-1 vs. Winning Record)

2005 = 33-20-1 (Loss to 9-5 Buccaneers) (9-14-1 vs. Winning Record)

2005 = 33-21-1 (Loss to 10-5 Panthers) (9-15-1 vs. Winning Record)

2006 = 34-21-1 (Win over 0-0 Panthers)

2006 = 35-21-1 (Win over 0-1 Buccaneers)

2006 = 35-22-1 (Loss to 2-0 Saints) (9-16-1 vs. Winning Record)

2006 = 36-22-1 (Win over 1-2 Cardinals)

2006 = 36-23-1 (Loss to 2-2 Giants)

2006 = 37-23-1 (Win over 2-3 Steelers)

2006 = 38-23-1 (Win over 4-2 Bengals) (10-16-1 vs. Winning Record)

2006 = 38-24-1 (Loss to 1-6 Lions)

2006 = 38-25-1 (Loss to 2-6 Browns)

2006 = 38-26-1 (Loss to 7-2 Ravens) (10-17-1 vs. Winning Record)

2006 = 38-27-1 (Loss to 6-4 Saints) (10-18-1 vs. Winning Record)

2006 = 39-27-1 (Win over 4-7 Redskins)

2006 = 40-27-1 (Win over 3-9 Buccaneers)

2006 = 40-28-1 (Loss to 8-5 Cowboys) (10-19-1 vs. Winning Record)

2006 = 40-29-1 (Loss to 6-8 Panthers)

2006 = 40-30-1 (Loss to 9-6 Eagles) (10-20-1 vs. Winning Record)

Counting the playoffs his record is 40-30-1 (.571)

His record versus teams with a winning record is 10-20-1 (.333)

in the interest of fairness, I think record vs teams with winning records should consist fo games against teams that finished with a winning record. The two records are similar though.

And the first Dallas game shouldnt go down as a win for Vick, he came out of the game when they were behind and Doug Johnson threw the winning TD.

[Falconsfan567]

in the interest of fairness, I think record vs teams with winning records should consist fo games against teams that finished with a winning record. The two records are similar though.

And the first Dallas game shouldnt go down as a win for Vick, he came out of the game when they were behind and Doug Johnson threw the winning TD.

But the QB that starts the game gets credit with the win or loss. That is just the way it works.

[Waterproof_ace83]

But the QB that starts the game gets credit with the win or loss. That is just the way it works.

but he didnt win the game. and its not even an official stat.

[Falconsfan567]

but he didnt win the game. and its not even an official stat.

Why are you arguing this with me? :unsure: I'm sure there are plenty of cases over the years where the guy that started the game and got hurt or whatever and the backup QB brought the team back and the starter got credit with the win. That is just the way it is. I'm sure it has happened the other way too. Who do you think got credit for the Bengals losing that playoff game in 2005 against the Steelers? Palmer did even though he got hurt on the first play of the game.

[Falconsfan567]

Someone suggested that I go back and figure this up where teams with winning records at the end of the regular season so I decided to do that. Here you go. So I have Vick's total win and loss record counting the playoffs with the record of the opponent when the game was played. Inside the brackets is the teams' final record. Is that to easy or to hard to understand?

2001 = 1-0 (Win over 2-5 [5-11] Cowboys)

2001 = 1-1 (Loss to 13-2 [14-2] Rams) [0-1 vs. Winning Record]

2002 = 1-2 (Loss to 0-0 [12-4] Packers) [0-2 vs. Winning Record]

2002 = 1-3 (Loss to 1-0 [4-12] Bears)

2002 = 2-3 (Win over 0-2 [2-14] Bengals)

2002 = 2-4 (Loss to 3-1 [12-4] Buccaneers) [0-3 vs. Winning Record]

2002 = 3-4 (Win over 3-3 [7-9] Panthers)

2002 = 4-4 (Win over 6-1 [9-7] Saints) [1-3 vs. Winning Record]

2002 = 5-4 (Win over 3-4 [7-9] Ravens)

2002 = 5-4-1 (Tie against 5-3 [10-5-1] Steelers) [1-3-1 vs. Winning Record]

2002 = 6-4-1 (Win over 7-2 [9-7] Saints) [2-3-1 vs. Winning Record]

2002 = 7-4-1 (Win over 3-8 [7-9] Panthers)

2002 = 8-4-1 (Win over 3-8 [6-10] Vikings)

2002 = 8-5-1 (Loss to 9-3 [12-4] Buccaneers) [2-4-1 vs. Winning Record]

2002 = 8-6-1 (Loss to 4-9 [7-9] Seahawks)

2002 = 9-6-1 (Win over 3-11 [3-13] Lions)

2002 = 9-7-1 (Loss to 8-7 [9-7] Browns) [2-5-1 vs. Winning Record]

*2002 = 10-7-1 (Win over 12-4 [12-4] Packers) [3-5-1 vs. Winning Record]

*2002 = 10-8-1 (Loss to 12-4 [12-4] Eagles) [3-6-1 vs. Winning Record]

2003 = 11-8-1 (Win over 8-4 [11-5] Panthers) [4-6-1 vs. Winning Record]

2003 = 11-9-1 (Loss to 10-3 [12-4] Colts) [4-7-1 vs. Winning Record]

2003 = 12-9-1 (Win over 7-7 [7-9] Buccaneers)

2003 = 13-9-1 (Win over 5-10 [5-11] Jaguars)

2004 = 14-9-1 (Win over 0-0 [2-14] 49ers)

2004 = 15-9-1 (Win over 1-0 [8-8] Rams)

2004 = 16-9-1 (win over 0-2 [6-10] Cardinals)

2004 = 17-9-1 (Win over 1-1 [7-9] Panthers)

2004 = 17-10-1 (Loss to 2-1 [6-10] Lions)

2004 = 18-10-1 (Win over 3-2 [12-4] Chargers) [5-7-1 vs. Winning Record]

2004 = 18-11-1 (Loss to 1-4 [7-9] Chiefs)

2004 = 19-11-1 (Win over 5-2 [10-6] Broncos) [6-7-1 vs. Winning Record]

2004 = 20-11-1 (Win over 3-5 [5-11] Buccaneers)

2004 = 21-11-1 (Win over 5-4 [6-10] Giants)

2004 = 22-11-1 (Win over 4-6 [8-8] Saints)

2004 = 22-12-1 (Loss to 4-7 [5-11] Buccaneers)

2004 = 23-12-1 (Win over 4-8 [5-11] Raiders)

2004 = 24-12-1 (Win over 6-7 [7-9] Panthers)

2004 = 24-13-1 (Loss to 8-7 [9-7] Seahawks) [6-8-1 vs. Winning Record]

*2004 = 25-13-1 (Win over 9-8 [8-8] Rams)

*2004 = 25-14-1 (Loss to 14-3 [13-3] Eagles) [6-9-1 vs. Winning Record]

2005 = 26-14-1 (Win over 0-0 [6-10] Eagles)

2005 = 26-15-1 (Loss to 0-1 [3-13] Seahawks) [6-10-1 vs. Winning Record]

2005 = 27-15-1 (Win over 1-1 [5-11] Bills)

2005 = 28-15-1 (Win over 1-2 [9-7] Vikings) [7-10-1 vs. Winning Record]

2005 = 29-15-1 (Win over 2-3 [3-13] Saints)

2005 = 30-15-1 (Win over 2-4 [4-12] Jets)

2005 = 31-15-1 (Win over 3-4 [9-7] Dolphins) [8-10-1 vs. Winning Record]

2005 = 31-16-1 (Loss to 1-7 [4-12] Packers)

2005 = 31-17-1 (Loss to 6-3 [11-5] Buccaneers) [8-11-1 vs. Winning Record]

2005 = 32-17-1 (Win over 4-6 [5-11] Lions)

2005 = 32-18-1 (Loss to 8-3 [11-5] Panthers) [8-12-1 vs. Winning Record]

2005 = 33-18-1 (Win over 3-9 [3-13] Saints)

2005 = 33-19-1 (Loss to 9-4 [11-5] Bears) [8-13-1 vs. Winning Record]

2005 = 33-20-1 (Loss to 9-5 [11-5] Buccaneers) [8-14-1 vs. Winning Record]

2005 = 33-21-1 (Loss to 10-5 [11-5] Panthers) [8-15-1 vs. Winning Record]

2006 = 34-21-1 (Win over 0-0 [8-8] Panthers)

2006 = 35-21-1 (Win over 0-1 [4-12] Buccaneers)

2006 = 35-22-1 (Loss to 2-0 [10-6] Saints) [8-16-1 vs. Winning Record]

2006 = 36-22-1 (Win over 1-2 [5-11] Cardinals)

2006 = 36-23-1 (Loss to 2-2 [8-8] Giants)

2006 = 37-23-1 (Win over 2-3 [8-8] Steelers)

2006 = 38-23-1 (Win over 4-2 [8-8] Bengals)

2006 = 38-24-1 (Loss to 1-6 [3-13] Lions)

2006 = 38-25-1 (Loss to 2-6 [4-12] Browns)

2006 = 38-26-1 (Loss to 7-2 [13-3] Ravens) [8-17-1 vs. Winning Record]

2006 = 38-27-1 (Loss to 6-4 [10-6] Saints) [8-18-1 vs. Winning Record]

2006 = 39-27-1 (Win over 4-7 [5-11] Redskins)

2006 = 40-27-1 (Win over 3-9 [4-12] Buccaneers)

2006 = 40-28-1 (Loss to 8-5 [9-7] Cowboys) [8-19-1 vs. Winning Record]

2006 = 40-29-1 (Loss to 6-8 [8-8] Panthers)

2006 = 40-30-1 (Loss to 9-6 [10-6] Eagles) [8-20-1 vs. Winning Record]

Counting the playoffs his record is 40-30-1 (.571)

His record versus teams with a winning record is 8-20-1 (.267)

One thing I noticed was how easy our schedules were in 2002 and 2004 when we made the playoffs. When we got alittle bit harder schedules in 2005 and 2006 we crumbled. I think that has alot to do with the lack of leader the team had.