How bad is Keith Brooking? The numbers don't lie!

[chifalc]

I'm not as harsh on Brooking as many are but I don't see how his paycheck is irrelevant t his performance. Since when in the NFL is performance not relevant to pay. If it wasn't each player would get a flat rate.

The way paychecks in the NFL work is that players are underpaid at the beginning, and their salary goes up at the end, Frankly, right now, he's being paid the rest of his due for past service, and you can go take your salary envy and stuff it,.

[Tandy]

Let me get this straight. Are you suggesting our coaching staff makes decisions based on what players are more popular than others?

If that's what they do - then we are doomed - really doomed. That's the biggest crock of crap I've ever heard in my life. Let's put someone on the field who will be a "detriment" to our team because the fans like him a lot.

Let me tell you something - if that was the case - our QB right now would be Shockley - not Ryan. Because at the beginning of the year - who do you think had the majority of the fanbase. Did you go to a Preseason game? Did you hear the response from Shockley vs. Ryan on the field?

Sorry - that argument just doesn't cut it.

He's out there for several reasons - his leadership, his ability to pull the defense together and what our Coaches deem as performance good enough to help us win.

If it wasn't for those things - I don't care how popular he is - he would already be gone.

To quote a wise Coach - The day a Coach starts letting the fans decide who plays - is the day he's fast on his way to sitting with the fans when the game is on.

[nobkowski]

If that's what they do - then we are doomed - really doomed. That's the biggest crock of crap I've ever heard in my life. Let's put someone on the field who will be a "detriment" to our team because the fans like him a lot.

Wow - I guess Ryan is going to be benched for Shockley next week - right?

Good one! You get a high five and two snaps for that one

Keith Brooking - good enough to be Captain Of The Defense. nuff said

[gazoo]

The way paychecks in the NFL work is that players are underpaid at the beginning, and their salary goes up at the end, Frankly, right now, he's being paid the rest of his due for past service, and you can go take your salary envy and stuff it,.

chifalc,

I think whe most fans scream contract dollars while assassinating the player contributions on the field is more often than not just a diversion, but you are right that with some it's envy.

These same guys weren;t giving Brooking props for signing a contract worth substantially less to play in Atlanta. The NYGs offered Brooking a much larger SB and contract, but he took less to stay here. Brooking is loyal as a houndog. The haters gave him no creidt then {{***Double Standard Alert**}}*, yet rake him over the coals now in the last year of a backload contract that most al NFL vets get.

[gazoo]

I frankly think Boley and Milloy have been average this year. Milloy has been weak in pass coverage.

{{{{{A NON DOUBLE STANDARD ALERT!!!}}}}

Folks, here is a good example of a poster holding all the players to the same standard as he sees it. This objectivilty allows for an honest discussion.

One question I wold ask is "does our defensive system limit the OLBs in any way?" It is clear to me that the MLBis allowed to play sideline to sideline and Lofton plays on most of the downs you see Grady in, while Grady and Lofton come out on passing downs. Lofton SHOULD be putting up good tackling numbers on running downs as he appears to be the guy designated to get a lot of them in this scheme.

From what I can tell in this scheme, our OLBs are not sideline to sideline....they have very specific roles eithr dropping back in coverage in zones or man, or being responsibe for edge containment.

Fans are quick to blame age on other things. We see Boley's play be quietert his year and nobody says it's age, but we see Brookings play temper down and all many fans can say it's because he's long in tooth or gets paid too much.

[gazoo]

If that's what they do - then we are doomed - really doomed. That's the biggest crock of crap I've ever heard in my life. Let's put someone on the field who will be a "detriment" to our team because the fans like him a lot.

OWNED

[gazoo]

I just find it sad that so many have to create thread after thread after thread bashing Brooking. We all know that he is older and he has slowed down. We all know that he will have to be replaced when the COACH feels it's the right thing to do. I'm sure that if the FO thinks it's necessary, something will happen this off-season, whether it's a restructure or a release.

I'm also sure that they are satisfied with the results they are getting from him. We have seen them take action when it was needed. I believe they will take a player with issues - work to resolve those issues - then take appropriate action. We have seen this with Jennings and Grimes. If and when they feel it is the right thing to do - they will.

So it is not necessary to come up with 5 million different ways to bash him. I mean, if you want to talk about his performance after a game, fine. But why keep creating all these threads over and over - searching for every single piece of information that you can find to discredit him?

This is a man who has bled Red and Black since he's been here. He has shown leadership and loyalty and devotion to this team since he was drafted. He wants to be a Falcon and only a Falcon - he's made that very clear. The day may come when our Coaches have to tell him that he no longer fulfills the needs of the team and he will have a decision to make - he may decide to go to another team, like Favre did or he may retire. But he will always be a Falcon in his heart - and in mine. He's done a lot for our community and he's there for the younger players. Let the Coaches make the decision on his future. That's what they get paid to do.

This is so sad and it brings back painful memories of Jessie Tuggles last days as a Falcon. People did the exact same thing - trashing him with every breath. It's all you heard. He's old - he can't hack it anymore. It broke my heart then and it does now.

The Coaches will handle the personnel decisions - we should just be supporting our team. Attack performance if you want when it happens - but stop digging up all the crap you can just to keep trashing one of our truest Falcons.

QFT

Tandy, you are on fire today!!!

[aerosmith67]

So let me get this straight, the same guys that are being hailed as heroes for their ability to recognize talent in players some how overlooked Brooking and his "lack" of talent? By the way I love how Brooking a linebacker is compared to DB's.. that's a brilliant arguement.

[Rockford]

I also note that for most of these people statistics are relevant up to and only up to the point where they stop supporting their argument. .and then suddenly statistics are irrelevant. .and then become relevant again afterwards. Tackles don't mean anything. Whoops, only BROOKING'S tackles don't mean anything, but wether he has zero or two pass defenses? THAT is critical. If he has zero or two fumble recoveries? THAT is critical. THey concentrate on the smallest numbers, the ones that are most prone to a 'roll of the dice' effect. The numbers that quite often come in bunches.

[Theyhateme : )]

lets see how people try to spin this........Brook is way past his prime man,he provides veteran leadership,but thats about it.Id rather have Nicholas out there honestly

Link..???

[FalconFanForLife]

No> I think people who obsess over trying to prove a player is bad, again and again, post after post, ad nauseum long after their opinion on the matter is well known, are trolling.

DING DING DING - WE HAVE A WINNER !

This is the point that disturbs me. Yes I think most of us can agree that Brooking is declining as a player. But the endless posting of these "Brooking Sux" posts is crossing the line from objective comment on our team to pure hater post.

[SCfalconfan]

chifalc,

I think whe most fans scream contract dollars while assassinating the player contributions on the field is more often than not just a diversion, but you are right that with some it's envy.

These same guys weren;t giving Brooking props for signing a contract worth substantially less to play in Atlanta. The NYGs offered Brooking a much larger SB and contract, but he took less to stay here. Brooking is loyal as a houndog. The haters gave him no creidt then {{***Double Standard Alert**}}*, yet rake him over the coals now in the last year of a backload contract that most al NFL vets get.

Brooking never made it to free agency so the Giants never had the opportunity to talk to him to offer a contract.

[aerosmith67]

I firmly believe that Brooking is a career Falcon, as soon as people accept that and get over the fact that the coaching staff approves of his play the easier their lives will be. If Brooking wasn't living up to the teams standards he'd be let go, see A.Jennings as proof of that.

[SCfalconfan]

I firmly believe that Brooking is a career Falcon, as soon as people accept that and get over the fact that the coaching staff approves of his play the easier their lives will be. If Brooking wasn't living up to the teams standards he'd be let go, see A.Jennings as proof of that.

Here's hoping his career ends after the 2008 season then.

[Julian St.Clor]

I figure you and your elementary school friends set around and think of stuff like this BUT.

Forgive me if I trust the judgment of TD and Smith over your highly uneducated opinion.

I know the dumbest of you won't understand this, but if Smith thinks Brooking isn't getting the Job done he would have replaced him.

Grimes not getting the job done replaced.

Jennings not getting the job done replaced.

Smith isn't shy about replacing people if they don't perform.

So until Smith says he 's gone STFU

Try being a Falcons Fan Son

cant argue with this

[Raptor Jesus]

Funny. I don't recall where I said you were a new poster, just that you were a Troll.

How is he the troll? your comments were far more abrasive than all of his...

[CraigSmackDaddy]

Actually no, the FIRST post I ever made questioning the play of Brooking, the VERY FIRST ONE, and here you came right behind it telling someone to "crawl back in your cave Troll." And I've seen you do the same thing to a few other posters, so don't even try that garbage. You're just simply person that can't stand to be wrong and wont objectively look at a situation and consider arguments for and against the issue. You'd just rather resort to name calling. It's ok, you are what you are.

BTW - I'm sure i'm not the only person that has 2 computers in his house that can log on at the same time Nice coicidence that Gazoo loged on at the perfect time to "refute" your claim you aren't him. I could care less, I think it's hysterical.

It might be the first post you STARTED but it surely isn't the first time you've chimed in on the subject... You took the time to write about 2 pages of BS in the post I did last week "The Brooking hate needs to stop". The funny thing is that you and one other member seem to be the one adding fuel to the fire for the trolls. The comparison to Brooking and defended passes to corner backs and his sacks to those of d-lineman are ridiculous. Why don't you compare tackles to any of those guys? I know why.. cause he has more. Also, weren't you the same one who went on a tirade about how stats were meaningless? That 5 probowls doesn't = a great player?? LOL.

[aerosmith67]

Here's hoping his career ends after the 2008 season then.

It may, it may not, I'll certainly take the expert eyes of Coach Smith and TD over anything that's said here.. trusting their opinions have worked out so far. Ryan over Dorsey, the Baker pick, replacing Grimes with the Fox, HD in for Jennings, etc. This Brooking BS is the new hot thing to complain about, just a few months ago it was if Shockley should start, should he be on the team, then it was Ryan having a noodle arm... SOME Falcons fans are just never happy.

[Rockford]

How is he the troll? your comments were far more abrasive than all of his...

Troll isn't a matter of ABrasive either> YOu can be a passive-agressive troll. Its a matter of costantly bringing up a topic just to draw attention to yourself.;

WHich this emminantly qualifies as.

[XLDenali]

. . and again the entirely irrelevant subject of his paycheck is brought into the picture,.

yes, ENTIRELY irrelevant. not like NFL teams have a salary cap or anything...

[delaigle]

I have weighed in on many of these anti Brooking threads, but I remembered something a great man once said and I've decided to follow his advise and discontinue responding to these things.

The great Brother Dave Gardner once said "You can pound their heads but you can't change their minds!" In context, his statement it meant change their minds surgically, but you can take it either way.

[phattywankenobi]

yes, ENTIRELY irrelevant. not like NFL teams have a salary cap or anything...

When a player restructures earlier in their career to help the team get under the salary cap that is soon forgotten and they are criticized at the end of their contract. Maybe people don't understand that when they restructure they take more of a signing bonus from the salary reducing it in that years cap and push it back towards the end of their contract. Some things will never change regardless of who the player is or what they have contributed to the team over their 10+ years.

[dzor22]

another stat....he hasnt recorded an Interception in 41 games

So YOU know more than Mike Smith. Wow; arent you fkkg brillaint?

[Rockford]

yes, ENTIRELY irrelevant. not like NFL teams have a salary cap or anything...

NAme a player we were going after that we were not able to sign?

[aerosmith67]

NAme a player we were going after that we were not able to sign?

Exactly, if anyone wants to complain about wasted cap space let's take a look at the contract of a player who's sitting in prison right now. If anything is going to prevent FA signings it's going to be that contract not the one Brooking has.