How bad is Keith Brooking? The numbers don't lie!

[Money Lee]

aveboogie is also the person who wanted to draft Andre Woodson

That would be me, and I couldn't have been more wrong.

Before I go, however. .how is Andre Woodson working out for you?

He's not a Falcon so I really have no opinion of him. To this point I was wrong in my assessment of Woodson and even more wrong about Ryan. The statistics clearly bear that out.

Now that I've acknowledged that, are you dudes ready to own up to acknowledging Keith Brooking's lack of playmaking skills?

here's some stats

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The numbers don't lie

The thread itself was tongue-in-cheek, not dumbass, since you you felt the insatiable compulsion to clarify its nature to the masses.

For those that gave it at least a passing thought, it should've clearly illustrated Brooking's durability, yes, but inability to author any game changing plays. It seemingly doesn't matter where he plays either, MLB or WLB, the guy simply doesn't make plays. He can tackle, pile jump, or whatever you want to call it, but honestly, is a turnover, big hit or batted down pass too much to ask of a defensive captain/2nd highest paid LB in the NFL?

I don't think it's unrealistic to ask for a single game changing play over the course of 2 1/2 seasons is it? People were ready to run Jamaal Anderson out of town after 1 season, and he's got more sacks, passes defensed and forced fumbles than Brooking's had in 3 seasons!!!!

Seriously, when a WR (Roddy White)has more forced fumbles than your defensive captain/LB over a span of 4 years, there's something wrong with that picture.

[Money Lee]

Since Roddy White was drafted in 2005, he has forced more fumbles than Keth Brooking.

Since being drafted last year, Jamaal Anderson has the same amount of passes defended as Brooking has had since 2006, and has forced more fumbles over the same period of time.

Domonique Foxworth has defended the same number of passes in two games as Brooking has in two seasons.

Chris Houston has forced more fumbles in his 2 NFL seasons than Keith Brooking has in his last 4 seasons.

Von Hutchins, Thomas DeCoud and Keith Brooking have EXACTLY the same number of interceptions, forced fumbles, sacks and passes defended this season. To be fair to Hutchins and DeCoud, Brooking has played WAY more than they have this season.

This season, Grady Jackson has more sacks and passes defended than Keith Brooking.

There's so much much....feel free to add on.

still looking for answers!!!!

[Frenzy™®]

Maybe it is b/c there is no body better to replace him with.

exactly

[gazoo]

here's some stats

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The numbers don't lie

[Frenzy™®]

lol come on guys ther is no denying that he isnt as good a linebacker as he used to be.And of course im gonna hold him to a high standard.This guy is supposed to be our best linebacker,a playmaker,and a prowbowl type player.I guess im wrong for wanting him to make plays..............I love Brook to death and most of those stats are dumb,but he's not getting any younger.

[mashedpotato]

Yeah....I wish he would have learned a little more from Cornelius Bennett his predecessor....Bennett was one of the best coverage linebackers ever....as long as Brooking has played he has been a huge liability on pass plays. He's never even close to making a play on passes. I point this out every single week and he always proves me right. I constantly have been hearing for years how good running backs do catching balls out of the backfield and the same goes for Tight ends against Atlanta. It's time for him to pass the torch. I don't know.....tough to let him go...

[gazoo]

Maybe it is b/c there is no body better to replace him with.

if he sucked then they would have found someone better by now to replace him. This coaching staff and front office does not keep players that suck (please see Adam Jennings)

[gazoo]

as long as Brooking has played he has been a huge liability on pass plays.

this is so ignorant I just had to point it out!

[Frenzy™®]

this is so ignorant I just had to point it out!

[FalconFanSince1970]

Since Roddy White was drafted in 2005, he has forced more fumbles than Keth Brooking.

Since being drafted last year, Jamaal Anderson has the same amount of passes defended as Brooking has had since 2006, and has forced more fumbles over the same period of time.

Domonique Foxworth has defended the same number of passes in two games as Brooking has in two seasons.

Chris Houston has forced more fumbles in his 2 NFL seasons than Keith Brooking has in his last 4 seasons.

Von Hutchins, Thomas DeCoud and Keith Brooking have EXACTLY the same number of interceptions, forced fumbles, sacks and passes defended this season. To be fair to Hutchins and DeCoud, Brooking has played WAY more than they have this season.

This season, Grady Jackson has more sacks and passes defended than Keith Brooking.

There's so much much....feel free to add on.

Can you break this down on a dollars per play basis? You know. Keith Brooking gets $8.2 million dollars per sack. $6.7 million per INT. Oh man this is pathetic.

How in the world did Coleman, Dunn and Crump get cut and he survive?

And before anyone questions my support of the team I don't support players who steal money from our team the way he does. I don't subscribe to blind loyalty or homerism as many seem to on this board.

I supported Jesse Tuggle for 10 years but was the main one calling for his head when he sucked bad in his last two years. It is definitely time for Brooking to get Tuggled. Give him his gold watch and let him go. It's agrivating to watch.

[Frenzy™®]

I think though,that Brooking will stay after he's replaced just to be with the team.Meaning he wont play much,but jst be a lockeroom type guy.I wouldnt want him to go to another team.He's been playing sports in Ga all his life.Born in GA,went to GA Tech,and now with the falcons.I bet other people dream of doing that,in your home state throughout your whole sports career.

[falconfoozball]

this is so ignorant I just had to point it out!

He's never even close to making a play on passes.

You would point that out, and I was going to point this out. Superlatives are rarely true. And I have definitely seen him bat down a few balls, one that I clearly remember last year, down near the goal line, that would have been a TD.

[mashedpotato]

this is so ignorant I just had to point it out!

ignorant??? Gazoo??? I know you love Brooking a lot....and I know you've been around for a while and watched the Falcons for a long while....you mean your telling me you haven't noticed how often Brooking is covering the guy who just caught the ball??? YOu haven't noticed...c'mon man.....let go...just let go.

[Robb4242]

Since Roddy White was drafted in 2005, he has forced more fumbles than Keth Brooking.

Since being drafted last year, Jamaal Anderson has the same amount of passes defended as Brooking has had since 2006, and has forced more fumbles over the same period of time.

Domonique Foxworth has defended the same number of passes in two games as Brooking has in two seasons.

Chris Houston has forced more fumbles in his 2 NFL seasons than Keith Brooking has in his last 4 seasons.

Von Hutchins, Thomas DeCoud and Keith Brooking have EXACTLY the same number of interceptions, forced fumbles, sacks and passes defended this season. To be fair to Hutchins and DeCoud, Brooking has played WAY more than they have this season.

This season, Grady Jackson has more sacks and passes defended than Keith Brooking.

There's so much much....feel free to add on.

I know it's a simple and non-exciting stat. It doesn't usually make the highlight reel, which is the one thing that seems to be most important for any defensive player lately. But which one of these listed has more tackles than Brooking? Last time I checked, the first job is to stop the ball carrier, if you can force a fumble, the bonus for you.

Has Brooking declined in the passing game, obviously he has, and if you want to argue that he should come out on passing downs, I'm not going to argue that point if we've got someone who shows that they are better in coverage. But an aging, and slowing vet like Brooking is still the best we've got to put out there on 1st & 2nd downs, and it seems 3rd down as well.

[Dirty-Bird]

. . and again the entirely irrelevant subject of his paycheck is brought into the picture,.

I'm not as harsh on Brooking as many are but I don't see how his paycheck is irrelevant t his performance. Since when in the NFL is performance not relevant to pay. If it wasn't each player would get a flat rate.

[mashedpotato]

I think he definitely needs to come out on obvious passing downs. I think on 1st and 2nd down though, he needs to be out there. He's got too much skill and experience to be on the bench. I wouldn't be totally opposed to seeing how well Nicholas can do the job though. He might surprise us.

[Tandy]

I just find it sad that so many have to create thread after thread after thread bashing Brooking. We all know that he is older and he has slowed down. We all know that he will have to be replaced when the COACH feels it's the right thing to do. I'm sure that if the FO thinks it's necessary, something will happen this off-season, whether it's a restructure or a release.

I'm also sure that they are satisfied with the results they are getting from him. We have seen them take action when it was needed. I believe they will take a player with issues - work to resolve those issues - then take appropriate action. We have seen this with Jennings and Grimes. If and when they feel it is the right thing to do - they will.

So it is not necessary to come up with 5 million different ways to bash him. I mean, if you want to talk about his performance after a game, fine. But why keep creating all these threads over and over - searching for every single piece of information that you can find to discredit him?

This is a man who has bled Red and Black since he's been here. He has shown leadership and loyalty and devotion to this team since he was drafted. He wants to be a Falcon and only a Falcon - he's made that very clear. The day may come when our Coaches have to tell him that he no longer fulfills the needs of the team and he will have a decision to make - he may decide to go to another team, like Favre did or he may retire. But he will always be a Falcon in his heart - and in mine. He's done a lot for our community and he's there for the younger players. Let the Coaches make the decision on his future. That's what they get paid to do.

This is so sad and it brings back painful memories of Jessie Tuggles last days as a Falcon. People did the exact same thing - trashing him with every breath. It's all you heard. He's old - he can't hack it anymore. It broke my heart then and it does now.

The Coaches will handle the personnel decisions - we should just be supporting our team. Attack performance if you want when it happens - but stop digging up all the crap you can just to keep trashing one of our truest Falcons.

[mashedpotato]

I just find it sad that so many have to create thread after thread after thread bashing Brooking. We all know that he is older and he has slowed down. We all know that he will have to be replaced when the COACH feels it's the right thing to do. I'm sure that if the FO thinks it's necessary, something will happen this off-season, whether it's a restructure or a release.

I'm also sure that they are satisfied with the results they are getting from him. We have seen them take action when it was needed. I believe they will take a player with issues - work to resolve those issues - then take appropriate action. We have seen this with Jennings and Grimes. If and when they feel it is the right thing to do - they will.

So it is not necessary to come up with 5 million different ways to bash him. I mean, if you want to talk about his performance after a game, fine. But why keep creating all these threads over and over - searching for every single piece of information that you can find to discredit him?

This is a man who has bled Red and Black since he's been here. He has shown leadership and loyalty and devotion to this team since he was drafted. He wants to be a Falcon and only a Falcon - he's made that very clear. The day may come when our Coaches have to tell him that he no longer fulfills the needs of the team and he will have a decision to make - he may decide to go to another team, like Favre did or he may retire. But he will always be a Falcon in his heart - and in mine. He's done a lot for our community and he's there for the younger players. Let the Coaches make the decision on his future. That's what they get paid to do.

This is so sad and it brings back painful memories of Jessie Tuggles last days as a Falcon. People did the exact same thing - trashing him with every breath. It's all you heard. He's old - he can't hack it anymore. It broke my heart then and it does now.

The Coaches will handle the personnel decisions - we should just be supporting our team. Attack performance if you want when it happens - but stop digging up all the crap you can just to keep trashing one of our truest Falcons.

I agree!!!! I trust our coaches to make the right personnel decisions....whether we know it or not they know a million times more than we do. The guy has a big heart and you gotta love that about him. I, for one, won't contribute to bashing him any more...at least not on here...i'm sure I will when the game starts out loud.

[bad newz birds]

If we go ----ing with our Defence right now!!!!!!!!!!!!! We will start loosing, COUNT ON IT!!!!!!!!!!

There is alot to be said about Gel, and Chemistry!

Anyone that dosen't understand that, does not no SHIAAATT about football

The Truth

[BruceReville]

Since Roddy White was drafted in 2005, he has forced more fumbles than Keth Brooking.

Since being drafted last year, Jamaal Anderson has the same amount of passes defended as Brooking has had since 2006, and has forced more fumbles over the same period of time.

Domonique Foxworth has defended the same number of passes in two games as Brooking has in two seasons.

Chris Houston has forced more fumbles in his 2 NFL seasons than Keith Brooking has in his last 4 seasons.

Von Hutchins, Thomas DeCoud and Keith Brooking have EXACTLY the same number of interceptions, forced fumbles, sacks and passes defended this season. To be fair to Hutchins and DeCoud, Brooking has played WAY more than they have this season.

This season, Grady Jackson has more sacks and passes defended than Keith Brooking.

There's so much much....feel free to add on.

2001-2007 finished either first or second in solo tackles for the team - 2008 so far he is fourth with the top two being our secondary players Coleman and Milloy which should never happen on the feild - shows lack of a pass rush up front from the defensive line - I don't see you busting out on them.

Foxworth is suppose to have more passes defended than a linebacker he's a defensive back and his job is to cover the receiver - DUH! :wacko:

Jackson has one sack - that is more than 14 other players along with Brooking - why not jump on the 13 other guys as well - I know it defeats your argument. - Also Grady has 1 pass defended as well - but don't mention that he has 26 fewer SOLO tackles the Brooking - I mean only put up the stats that agree with your argument. :P

And I find it funny that you mention Von Hutchins & Thomas DeCoud - One is on IR and the other has never played a down and if he has he has no stats at all to show for it - Pad your argument why don't ya. I mean me and Brooking also have the same amount of INTs as well - why not put my name in there or how about the names of every poster on these boards - more names you throw into an argument really makes it look like you know what you're talking about.

Now here is a stat that NONE of the other veteran players on the team can match - since 2001 - the number of games missed by Brooking -- ZERO!

Now I will agree that the time is now to start to groom someone to eventually replace him - Brooking has been in the league 11 years and he probably doesn't have too many more in him - and for everyone who cries he needs to restructure his contract -- he did in 2004 and 2006 to try and give the Falcons cap relief -- I haven't seen any other players doing that for the team.

LINK RESTRUCTURE 2004 - READ DOWN IN TRANSACTIONS

Restructure 2006

[Voice of Reason]

I'm not as harsh on Brooking as many are but I don't see how his paycheck is irrelevant t his performance. Since when in the NFL is performance not relevant to pay. If it wasn't each player would get a flat rate.

I believe the answer to this is because his pay is not hurting us right now. We have plenty of room under the cap, so our players' salary isn't an issue. Now, if we were against the cap and we were forced to let players go or not go after free-agents because of it, then flame away. But for now, pay is irrelevant.

[FalconFanSince1970]

I'm also sure that they are satisfied with the results they are getting from him. We have seen them take action when it was needed. I believe they will take a player with issues - work to resolve those issues - then take appropriate action. We have seen this with Jennings and Grimes.

Grimes and Jennings weren't 10 year vets with an $8M salary and a throng of blind loyalists. It's a different situation.

I don't think our coaches are anywhere near satisfied with the output of our LBs. Just check the stats. Watch the tapes. It's just not there.

I'm convinced that Nicholas can at least play at the level Brooking is playing at. Probably better. Gazoo is a better WLB than Brooking at this point in his career.

[Hard Knock]

All good things must come to a end and the end is near. Keith has been a great player for many years and I respect him

and hope he retires as a Falcon. I trust the leadership that is in place.

[Voice of Reason]

Grimes and Jennings weren't 10 year vets with an $8M salary and a throng of blind loyalists. It's a different situation.

Let me get this straight. Are you suggesting our coaching staff makes decisions based on what players are more popular than others?

[chifalc]

Grimes and Jennings weren't 10 year vets with an $8M salary and a throng of blind loyalists. It's a different situation.

I don't think our coaches are anywhere near satisfied with the output of our LBs. Just check the stats. Watch the tapes. It's just not there.

I'm convinced that Nicholas can at least play at the level Brooking is playing at. Probably better. Gazoo is a better WLB than Brooking at this point in his career.

. . .and here comes the irrelevant salary issue again.