g-dawg Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 I cannot believe all of these messageboard topics on "Let's get DeAngelo Hall back"......How stupid can you be? Thomas Dimitroff "cleared house" of all the malcontents and DeAngelo Hall was Exhibit 1-A. The Falcons were shopping him around the league and almost no one wanted the guy. We were very lucky to get a 2nd round pick for "MEANGELO" and I am convinced that if Dimitroff could not have traded D-Hall he would have outright released him. DeAngelo Hall is a "cancer"........How many of you really believe the Falcons could have been as successful and gotten that locker room in order with malcontent MeAngelo "mouthing off" to the media every chance he got? The answer is we would have overcome it - but it would be a bumpier ride - the first time something does not go right for the coach - MeAngelo would have something to say about it............sorry to call you guys IDIOTS but its the most accurate word I can think of if you think for one second the Atlanta Falcons and Thomas Dimitroff are letting ME-Angelo Hall back in the Falcons lockerroom......Get a grip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaud Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 I disagree on some of the stuff you said but I agree on the most important thing and that is he is not coming back here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East ATL a.k.a TROLL Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 I cannot believe all of these messageboard topics on "Let's get DeAngelo Hall back"......How stupid can you be? Thomas Dimitroff "cleared house" of all the malcontents and DeAngelo Hall was Exhibit 1-A. The Falcons were shopping him around the league and almost no one wanted the guy. We were very lucky to get a 2nd round pick for "MEANGELO" and I am convinced that if Dimitroff could not have traded D-Hall he would have outright released him. DeAngelo Hall is a "cancer"........How many of you really believe the Falcons could have been as successful and gotten that locker room in order with malcontent MeAngelo "mouthing off" to the media every chance he got? The answer is we would have overcome it - but it would be a bumpier ride - the first time something does not go right for the coach - MeAngelo would have something to say about it............sorry to call you guys IDIOTS but its the most accurate word I can think of if you think for one second the Atlanta Falcons and Thomas Dimitroff are letting ME-Angelo Hall back in the Falcons lockerroom......Get a grip Man you are wasting your time tryin to reason with these folks. These are probably the same people that said Hoey Harrington would take the Falcons to the playoffs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFan13 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Man you are wasting your time tryin to reason with these folks. These are probably the same people that said Hoey Harrington would take the Falcons to the playoffs.Far from it. I haven't been for Vick, Joey, or any of the rest of the circus crap. I just know talent when i see it and know when my team is horrible at a position and could use a upgrade there. Hall is easily better than any of our CB's we have right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KANE337 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 I cannot believe all of these messageboard topics on "Let's get DeAngelo Hall back"......How stupid can you be? Thomas Dimitroff "cleared house" of all the malcontents and DeAngelo Hall was Exhibit 1-A. The Falcons were shopping him around the league and almost no one wanted the guy. We were very lucky to get a 2nd round pick for "MEANGELO" and I am convinced that if Dimitroff could not have traded D-Hall he would have outright released him. DeAngelo Hall is a "cancer"........How many of you really believe the Falcons could have been as successful and gotten that locker room in order with malcontent MeAngelo "mouthing off" to the media every chance he got? The answer is we would have overcome it - but it would be a bumpier ride - the first time something does not go right for the coach - MeAngelo would have something to say about it............sorry to call you guys IDIOTS but its the most accurate word I can think of if you think for one second the Atlanta Falcons and Thomas Dimitroff are letting ME-Angelo Hall back in the Falcons lockerroom......Get a grip Couldn't have stated it any better myself. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East ATL a.k.a TROLL Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Far from it. I haven't been for Vick, Joey, or any of the rest of the circus crap. I just know talent when i see it and know when my team is horrible at a position and could use a upgrade there. Hall is easily better than any of our CB's we have right now.You know what? I will agree with you in that D Hall is Very talented. But the problem is not his talent, it is his discipline. He is not a disciplined player. He bites too much on plays and he over pursues tryin to go all or nothing. He also relies too much on his speed instead of playing fundamental football. Thats why rookies and M Jenkins, who I like but is not the most talented WR is able to make D Hall look like a scrub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabbz Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 can someone tell me why the raiders are releasing him? honest answer please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted November 5, 2008 Author Share Posted November 5, 2008 You know what? I will agree with you in that D Hall is Very talented. But the problem is not his talent, it is his discipline. He is not a disciplined player. He bites too much on plays and he over pursues tryin to go all or nothing. He also relies too much on his speed instead of playing fundamental football. Thats why rookies and M Jenkins, who I like but is not the most talented WR is able to make D Hall look like a scrub.agree on the "undisciplined play" of D-Hall but then he is undisciplined in his mouth and also considers himself above his team as well........I don't think that DeAngelo is EVIL or a Horrible person - but I do think that he's a "hot-head" and he's very selfish and immature. Falcons will gladly take a player that is "less talented" but a better "team guy" than the superstar with the diva attitude.......And, if you are gonna have a "diva attitude" at least have some serious dominating game to back it up like Randy Moss or Terrell Owens.........bottom-line, DeAngelo Hall is talented but he's really not an "excellent player"..........he's not worth the money, not worth the trouble and he's not that good compared to the "greats" in t the game - closer to average than great........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFan13 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 You know what? I will agree with you in that D Hall is Very talented. But the problem is not his talent, it is his discipline. He is not a disciplined player. He bites too much on plays and he over pursues tryin to go all or nothing. He also relies too much on his speed instead of playing fundamental football. Thats why rookies and M Jenkins, who I like but is not the most talented WR is able to make D Hall look like a scrub.I admit that he could learn to get better. He is not perfect by no means. But also look at the 100% grade a Trash coaches we have had over the last few years till now. I seriously think Coach Smith and company could teach him how to be a professional and go about his business the right way. I have full faith in them. To be truthful the 1st 2 years under Mora i thought he was a good guy and good player. Then came the fireing of mora and the petrino era and thats where i think he took a turn for the worse. Under the right scheme i see him alot like Moss. They want to win and hate losing. You stick them on bad teams with bad coaching and it irritates them. Smith is a good coach and i tihnk we are and will be a good team. Which would in turn make him a better guy and player. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFan13 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 can someone tell me why the raiders are releasing him? honest answer pleaseSomething about a 16 million dollar injury clause? The full details aren't out yet i don't think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest genn0226 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 can someone tell me why the raiders are releasing him? honest answer pleaseApparently Al Davis is near bankruptcy. That or someone in that franchise finally realized what a mess they built there and decided to clean house. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelgee Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 . Hall is easily better than any of our CB's we have right now.Not! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFan13 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Not!Show me one better? Only one thats even close is Foxworth. Houston and Grimes isn't even on the same boat right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
East ATL a.k.a TROLL Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 I'll be honest about myself. I'm still a little pissed about the Carolina game last year where he blew his lid. I had always been a D Hall Hugger, but I was at that game and personally watched him give Carolina that game. Ever since then I have had a grudge against him that I can't let go. Sorry. -_- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelgee Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Apparently Al Davis is near bankruptcy. That or someone in that franchise finally realized what a mess they built there and decided to clean house.AB had to dial up Dr Dimitroff, Thomas brought the CURE here when he came in.Such a small guy kicked some major league butt, I love what Thomas did. Then he hired Smitty and staff, What a nice place we are sitting in for 2009! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFan13 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 I'll be honest about myself. I'm still a little pissed about the Carolina game last year where he blew his lid. I had always been a D Hall Hugger, but I was at that game and personally watched him give Carolina that game. Ever since then I have had a grudge against him that I can't let go. Sorry. -_-I think alot of people are going on emotions more than anything which i can understand why. But they really need to understand that our Cb's lack a true #1 CB and vet experience. maybe Hall isn't the option but by god come off season we sure as heck better get 1like Gamble, Nnamdi, Robinson or someone or our Secondary will continue to get torched. Milloy god love him isn't exactly a great cover SS anymore so that could use a upgrade as well. Coleman and Foxworth so far are the 2 best cover guys we have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATL_Rox Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 I most definitely agree that we should not try and get Hall back because even though he is probably better than our corners as an idividual but he brings the play of the defense down as a whole and is NOT A TEAM GUY AT ALL!! On the other hand, it is suspected that Oakland could place safety michael huff on waivers or release him due to his recent benching. I think that picking him up and moving him back to his original position at strong safety might be worth the risk for us. We could groom him to become the future replacement for Milloy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BW79 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 I cannot believe all of these messageboard topics on "Let's get DeAngelo Hall back"......How stupid can you be? Thomas Dimitroff "cleared house" of all the malcontents and DeAngelo Hall was Exhibit 1-A. The Falcons were shopping him around the league and almost no one wanted the guy. We were very lucky to get a 2nd round pick for "MEANGELO" and I am convinced that if Dimitroff could not have traded D-Hall he would have outright released him. DeAngelo Hall is a "cancer"........How many of you really believe the Falcons could have been as successful and gotten that locker room in order with malcontent MeAngelo "mouthing off" to the media every chance he got? The answer is we would have overcome it - but it would be a bumpier ride - the first time something does not go right for the coach - MeAngelo would have something to say about it............sorry to call you guys IDIOTS but its the most accurate word I can think of if you think for one second the Atlanta Falcons and Thomas Dimitroff are letting ME-Angelo Hall back in the Falcons lockerroom......Get a grip Best post in ths thread. Period. This thread should have been moved to the top and closed after this post for all of the Hall lovers to read and cry about. D-Hall is WEAK. Get over it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted November 5, 2008 Author Share Posted November 5, 2008 Show me one better? Only one thats even close is Foxworth. Houston and Grimes isn't even on the same boat right now.DeAngelo Hall has more talent than Foxworth, Houston or Grimes - I will concede that.......But I would seriously challenge whether Hall production would be better than any of those three.......D-Hall has been totally abused this year - Eddie Royal and Jay Cutler destroyed D-Hall and D-Hall played poorly for Falcons his last two years here..........He is dropping off of late - can he get his game back up to a probowl level? maybe, but not until he gets his head out of his arss.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFan13 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 DeAngelo Hall has more talent than Foxworth, Houston or Grimes - I will concede that.......But I would seriously challenge whether Hall production would be better than any of those three.......D-Hall has been totally abused this year - Eddie Royal and Jay Cutler destroyed D-Hall and D-Hall played poorly for Falcons his last two years here..........He is dropping off of late - can he get his game back up to a probowl level? maybe, but not until he gets his head out of his arss....Actually i know this will sound crazy but i think Coleman is better than Huff at FS. Which would in turn help Hall more. Plus i think Hall is a better Zone CB than a man 2 man CB which the run there. We all agree he needs to get his head out of his rearend. I think he is undisciplined because he hasn;t had the right coach to set him straight. Coach Smith and company know how to handle business and have the experience to prove it. I believe they would work wonders for the mans career in the long run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
g-dawg Posted November 5, 2008 Author Share Posted November 5, 2008 Actually i know this will sound crazy but i think Coleman is better than Huff at FS. Which would in turn help Hall more. Plus i think Hall is a better Zone CB than a man 2 man CB which the run there. We all agree he needs to get his head out of his rearend. I think he is undisciplined because he hasn;t had the right coach to set him straight. Coach Smith and company know how to handle business and have the experience to prove it. I believe they would work wonders for the mans career in the long run.Falconfan13, DeAngelo Hall, talented or not, is simply not worth the risk..........D-Hall is not hopeless and he may go somewhere else, calm down, grow up and go on to have a good to great career........But, bottom-line, his ship has sailed and he will not be coming back to Atlanta......"It is finished".... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bodhi Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 FalconFan13, I'm not sure what the record is for the amount of times being completely wrong in one thread, but you've got to be getting close to it...1) DeAngelo Hall is a team cancer. TD and Smitty are 100% pointing in the other direction with the players they want to be on this team. 2) This scheme does NOT need or have the money allocation for the high priced man-to-man cover corners (which D-Hall is most definitely "supposed" to be good at). This scheme requires a dominant D Line and solid zone corners, which D-Hall most definitely doesn't consider himself. 3) You can badmouth our current (young) CB's all you want, but when we develop a dominant D Line over the next few years and all of a sudden these CB's start looking like all stars due to consistent QB pressure, you'll be saying to yourself how much they have improved...when in reality it will be the simple fact that we will finally have the consistent pressure on the QB that allows for a zone scheme to work the way it's supposed to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TonyGonzotim2 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 Far from it. I haven't been for Vick, Joey, or any of the rest of the circus crap. I just know talent when i see it and know when my team is horrible at a position and could use a upgrade there. Hall is easily better than any of our CB's we have right now.where is this talent u see in deangelo hall? thank god your not a gm you may be worse then AL davis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFan13 Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 FalconFan13, I'm not sure what the record is for the amount of times being completely wrong in one thread, but you've got to be getting close to it...1) DeAngelo Hall is a team cancer. TD and Smitty are 100% pointing in the other direction with the players they want to be on this team. 2) This scheme does NOT need or have the money allocation for the high priced man-to-man cover corners (which D-Hall is most definitely "supposed" to be good at). This scheme requires a dominant D Line and solid zone corners, which D-Hall most definitely doesn't consider himself. 3) You can badmouth our current (young) CB's all you want, but when we develop a dominant D Line over the next few years and all of a sudden these CB's start looking like all stars due to consistent QB pressure, you'll be saying to yourself how much they have improved...when in reality it will be the simple fact that we will finally have the consistent pressure on the QB that allows for a zone scheme to work the way it's supposed to.As far as Smitty goes on Hall. Smitty actually liked and would have liked him to stay. But for the price he wasn't worth it and i agree with that. I would have never given more than 5 to 6 mil a year to him Also i know all about this scheme and agree it requires a dominant D-line to get pressure. But even without pressure our CB's right now haven't played up to the standards they should have. Foxworth looks pretty solid so far. Chevis i think has more potential than any of them and look forward to him being a good #2. Houston is a man 2 man CB always has been. Which is why we drafted him when we ran that scheme. Grimes god love him tries with all eh has but he just doesn't have the size to cover the big guys. Im not saying our guys are useless. Im just saying not a 1 of them are #1 CB's. I would love to keep all 3 of them and get a true #1 to go with them. Give me someone like Gamble to lead them and have Foxworth or Chevis at #2 better fit for scheme. Then you have good depth with Houston and Grimes. If we keep houston he could go somewhere else to be a great man 2 man guy. To the guy who says he would be glad im not a GM then you wouldn't have wanted mike Smith I chose him as the Head Coach before we did I also picked Sam Baker, Curtis Lofton, and chevis jackson when alot of people were down on Baker in my drafts. I actually did pretty well as a GM. I had sam as my 2nd best LT Curtis as my #1 pure MLB and Chevis as the only CB i wanted out of the draft because he was the perfect fit for our scheme. Mike Smith i was sorta biased on seeing as im a Jags Fan as much as the Falcons so i knew he was great and i wanted him.I really think yall are misunderstanding what my main point is. I don't care if it's D-Hall, Gamble, Robinson, Nnamdi. We need a true #1 CB to lead our guys. It might not be Hall and thats ok with me as im not some huge fan of his i personally like the other guys i listed better. He is just the easiest to get and could possibly be the cheapest to get. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mcsupersport Posted November 5, 2008 Share Posted November 5, 2008 I might try to take a guy like DHall in another 2-3 years if we have a track record of winning in that time, and a super strong locker room. BUT right now, with the team in the building phase bringing in a known trouble maker is not a sound idea. IF DHall or a veteran player like him, started causing any trouble in the locker room, it could cause major setbacks to the team at this point in time. If you look at the Patriots they only started taking "suspect" trouble makers after they had established a solid team, with proven leadership in the locker room. When Ryan is a veteran player and we have a solid team then sure, let's try one, but not until.And as far a DHall being so good this year, he has been torched all year, maybe that is just because he plays for the Raiders, but it could just be because he has quit on the team, and that leads me to ask. "Do we really want someone who is playing so bad, probably because he has quit on his team, and is going to be released mid-season, to come to try to upgrade us as we are trying to make a run for the playoffs?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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