SacFalcFan Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 IYO what led to his failure as head coach at tennessee? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FaIconfansince80 Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Uga_dog1 Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Recruiting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SacFalcFan Posted November 3, 2008 Author Share Posted November 3, 2008 Recruitingwell many have said mark richt.. ut wasn't able to get the players from Georgia after richt came to Athens as they were before.. mark saw what ut did in 1998 and knew he had to keep the majority of guys instate and he has done a very good job of doing that overall. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LawDawg Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SacFalcFan Posted November 3, 2008 Author Share Posted November 3, 2008 .you sure it wasn't the cream filled donuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdu00743 Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Coached too long. No one is able to maintain the level of success he had in the 90's over 17 years.That and our talent is not where it used to be...Poor player evaluation even though our classes had relatively high rankings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c_ponder Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 I think he would still be there if it were not for the vols conference record this year. Also the two losses to bama back to back probably didnt help matters.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rohan_mehta86 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 The absence of David Cutcliffe cannot be overlooked. You saw different UT Teams on offiense when he was the OC. That helped tons. Also, as is already stated, you cannot sustain the 1990's type success forever. Also, some coaching has lacked in that the recruits talent was not developed to its full potential. So, its really a combination of things. The record this season kind of seals the deal. Knoxville needed a fresh approach and now they will have it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jidady Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Rohan Davies getting hurt in the SEC Championship game in 2001. Fulmer's last seven years play out much differently if Mat Mauck doesn't knock us out the national championship game that year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LawDawg Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 The loss of David Cutcliffe. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ton80Kid Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Losing Cutcliffe was huge, but just as bad was his continued loyalty to John Chavis, who, prior to this season, hasn't had a decent defense in 8 years...However, I think Fulmer's biggest downfall had to do with his lack of aggressiveness these last 8-9 years. Don't get me wrong, he wasn't overly aggressive even during the 90s (even in 98), but he's been especially predictable and conservative since 2000. Factor in younger, more aggressive coaches showing up on the scene, and it's a recipe for disaster that took nearly a decade of simmering before it finally boiled over. I like Fulmer and he'll always be a great coach to me, but his time has been coming for awhile now. The idea that he was going to be like Paterno or Bowden was far fetched to begin with. As HC he gave us 17 years, most of which were great, 1 of which was perfect. He still holds the distinction of being the last SEC coach to ever go undefeated for a season and win the NC, as well as coaching the Vols to inaugural BCS Championship. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slamee101 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 1) Richt (and Garner) at Georgia and the recruiting they've done2) Losing Cutcliffe3) Not coming up with enough wins in big spots. He did win a NC and nobody can ever take that from him but the SEC (moreso than the other conferences I think) is a "What have you done for me lately" conference. I still look back to the SECCG in 2001 as one of the most devastating losses to the program and while they had good years after that...they never came quite as close to getting another NC. Had he won the conference last year I think he'd have been alright but they gave one away to LSU and this year they just didn't have Cutcliffe and it showed and that sealed his fate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jidady Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 I do think that's an interesting question. If Ainge doesn't throw that interception and we beat LSU, I don't think Fulmer survives a 3-6 start but it's a lot closer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slamee101 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 I do think that's an interesting question. If Ainge doesn't throw that interception and we beat LSU, I don't think Fulmer survives a 3-6 start but it's a lot closer.See I would disagree. Not that Vols fans would have been happy overall but I do think the AD wouldn't have been able to fire a guy that just won the conference championship a year before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
popcornplaya Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 Several things:Old school coach that reverted to an old school system when his guys left him with Cutcliffe. He lost his top recruiter as well, which meant that he wasn't getting the caliber of guys he used to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ton80Kid Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 See I would disagree. Not that Vols fans would have been happy overall but I do think the AD wouldn't have been able to fire a guy that just won the conference championship a year before.I agree...had we won the conference title last season, they wouldn't have forced him out this year. However, even that hypothetical situation tends to shine a light on Fulmer's last 6 or 7 years at UT...doing "just enough" to appease the masses and keep the grumbling down to a low hiss. We made it to the SEC title game, and as you and others have routinely pointed, it was enough to get him an extension, but not a pay raise. That was a not so subtle message to him that this season had to be good...we had to be competitive. We weren't. He's done. Again, I'll always respect Coach Fulmer and what he did for us during his tenure as our HC. He brought us huge success...unfortunately, with that success came the unquenchable thirst for more. He took us back to prominence as a national powerhouse program again. If this were Miss. State, Vandy, Ole Miss, UK, or even Arkansas, than we wouldn't be having this conversation because of the 2nd losing season in a coach's 17 year career. He helped to bring a great amount of success and prominence to UT, and as a result, he became a victim to that success. Life ain't fair... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bryant Denny Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 KARMA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Magstuff Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 well many have said mark richt.. ut wasn't able to get the players from Georgia after richt came to Athens as they were before.. mark saw what ut did in 1998 and knew he had to keep the majority of guys instate and he has done a very good job of doing that overall.Richt came and took Rodney Garner.Fulmer's loyalty cost him his job. He let the Frito Bandito (Chavis) run off Rodney Garner and Trooper Taylor. Taylor had Morgan Burnett locked up to come to UT and Wavy Chavy said no. That is why Trooper got the heck out of dodge while he could. Greg Adkins OL coach too. That guy couldn't coach a pee wee league and he is the OL coach at UT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Statick Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 I heard his daily per diem food allowance on recruiting runs was outpacing their monthly booster intake. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slamee101 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 I heard his daily per diem food allowance on recruiting runs was outpacing their monthly booster intake.I thought I told you once already to get my wife out of your sig buddy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SacFalcFan Posted November 4, 2008 Author Share Posted November 4, 2008 I thought I told you once already to get my wife out of your sig buddy! she is your wife too? how dare she. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slamee101 Posted November 4, 2008 Share Posted November 4, 2008 she is your wife too? how dare she.I know right...I should just drop her.Then she wears that bathing suit and I have to forgive her. :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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