FalconFanSince1970 Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Check out some of Ryan's rankings in key categories amongst NFL QBs:Passing TDs = 14thPasser Rating = 18thPassing Yards Per Game = 21stCompletion% = 23rdNot so good you say? Probably not for Fantasy Football minded stat freaks. But me? The only thing I give a rip about is the stat that many NFL experts say is the most important QB stat and the only one that counts:Winning% As A Starter = 8thAs long as he keeps doing this you guys can take the rest of those stats and put em where the Falcon don't fly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Explosive xero Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 truth Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Falconsfan567 Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Great research. As the Vick lovers use to say all the time, all he does is win games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelgee Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Great research. As the Vick lovers use to say all the time, all he does is win games.win games and lay the ball on the ground, throw ints, lose 50% of his games, not to mention he didn't actually spend time thinking about the Falcons but of illegal stuff. A Loser is what 7 was. Nothing like what we have now, a true Superman. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goat Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 win games and lay the ball on the ground, throw ints, lose 50% of his games, not to mention he didn't actually spend time thinking about the Falcons but of illegal stuff. A Loser is what 7 was. Nothing like what we have now, a true Superman.Do you wear Matt Ryans PJ's to sleep? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cankles Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Wins are a team stat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duncja Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 I've actually used him as a starter in fantasy twice now :P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DurtyBirds02 Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 perfect, good stats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted November 3, 2008 Author Share Posted November 3, 2008 Wins are a team stat.No one can affect the Win/Loss record more than a QB. Nobody! And if it is such a team stat why do I constantly hear the likes of John Madden, Steve Young, Marv Levy, Bill Parcells, Dan Reeves, Jimmy Johnson, Rich McKay and many many more say that it's the most important stat for a QB? Splain dat please.And for the guy that ragged on Vick, he is still the franchise's all time winningest QB as a starter. And that was on six teams that five other QBs only managed a .309 record on. Vick wasn't worth a dam with dogs but he was helll on wheels at getting victories on sub par teams. He was great at it and so far so is Ryan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SwaG FactorY EnT Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Do you wear Matt Ryans PJ's to sleep?Haha Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cankles Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Look at it like you do with pitchers - if a guy gets 20 wins in a season, it's a pretty good bet that can throw the ball. But his peripherals demonstrate exactly what kind of player he really is, and it's asinine to reward a guy with 20 wins over a guy with 16 wins if the guy with 16 wins has a better ERA, WHIP, strikeout rate, etc., primarily because a pitcher has zero influence on his team's performance AFTER he leaves the game. QB is the most influential single position, but it's often more accurate to say that a QB is on a winning team than it is to say that a QB is "just winning games" or whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted November 3, 2008 Author Share Posted November 3, 2008 Look at it like you do with pitchers - if a guy gets 20 wins in a season, it's a pretty good bet that can throw the ball. But his peripherals demonstrate exactly what kind of player he really is, and it's asinine to reward a guy with 20 wins over a guy with 16 wins if the guy with 16 wins has a better ERA, WHIP, strikeout rate, etc., primarily because a pitcher has zero influence on his team's performance AFTER he leaves the game. QB is the most influential single position, but it's often more accurate to say that a QB is on a winning team than it is to say that a QB is "just winning games" or whatever.I prefer to listen to the likes of Madden and Levy over some message board analyst named cankles. That sounds like some kind of sore by the way. Those people know way more than you about football and I have heard all of them say that the only QB stat that matters is wins as a starter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AUG.DURTYBIRD Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 and he can only get better..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cankles Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 You're presenting what is known as an ad hominem argument, meaning that it is fallacious. You're attacking my credentials instead of my argument.Of course all of those names know more about football than I'll ever understand, but that doesn't mean everything they say is spun gold (I've never heard any of those dudes say that kind of thing anyway). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Twizt3d Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Check out some of Ryan's rankings in key categories amongst NFL QBs:Passing TDs = 14thPasser Rating = 18thPassing Yards Per Game = 21stCompletion% = 23rdNot so good you say? Probably not for Fantasy Football minded stat freaks. But me? The only thing I give a rip about is the stat that many NFL experts say is the most important QB stat and the only one that counts:Winning% As A Starter = 8thAs long as he keeps doing this you guys can take the rest of those stats and put em where the Falcon don't fly. WORD!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFanSince1970 Posted November 3, 2008 Author Share Posted November 3, 2008 You're presenting what is known as an ad hominem argument, meaning that it is fallacious. You're attacking my credentials instead of my argument.Of course all of those names know more about football than I'll ever understand, but that doesn't mean everything they say is spun gold (I've never heard any of those dudes say that kind of thing anyway).OK cool. I have heard them say it. Plenty of times. But if you don't agree go follow another QB. There are 13 QBs with more passing TDs, 17 with a better passer rating, 20 with more passing yards and a whopping 22 with a better completion%. You can go sign up with the Who Dats. Their QB is leading most QB stats. Except of course the one that matters: Winning% as a starter. See ya. Wouldn't wanna be ya. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cankles Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Btw, I love Ryan and think he's the truth, just for reasons that don't have to do with something arbitrary like his winning% as a starter - his 'normal' stats are fantastic for a rookie, and just observing the guy play you can see how many things he does right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoLuvinMyFalcons Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Great research. As the Vick lovers use to say all the time, all he does is win games.I was just about to continue reading this thread, until you had to ruin it by bringing up Vicks name.....EXIT LEFT!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chifalc Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 Check out some of Ryan's rankings in key categories amongst NFL QBs:Passing TDs = 14thPasser Rating = 18thPassing Yards Per Game = 21stCompletion% = 23rdNot so good you say? Probably not for Fantasy Football minded stat freaks. But me? The only thing I give a rip about is the stat that many NFL experts say is the most important QB stat and the only one that counts:Winning% As A Starter = 8thAs long as he keeps doing this you guys can take the rest of those stats and put em where the Falcon don't fly. I love Matt Ryan, but sorry, Wins and losses are nto a quarterback stat.]\ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wordtobigbird Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 LOL not this stats dont matter crap again and all that matters is wins.we could hav a worst QB than ryan with a great defense and have a better QB percentage, does that mean that QB is better htan Ryan?NO.Stats matter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dstormvet Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 I do not buy into the winning pct as being the measuring stick of a QB. Football is a total team game. More so than probably any sport. If the offensive line isn't doing it's job, it doesn't matter if the QB is Tom Brady, the team will lose. What it all boils down to, is does the QB make the right decisions more times than not. So far, Matt Ryan has shown the ability to read defenses and only taking what they give him. He doesn't force things. He is tied for 2nd in INTs with only 5. For a rookie, that is an amazing stat in itself. The defense has been fairly solid for the most part. Bending but not breaking as much as it has in the past few years. The D will get truly tested the next 7 weeks facing offenses that rank in the top 16 in offensive yards per game. The next two games are the #1 and 3 offenses.Matt Ryan is proving to be a truly special QB and if the Falcons can improve the offensive line and acquire another good receiving TE, I foresee him being mentioned with the Tom Bradys, Peyton Mannings and Drew Brees'. He has had the luxury of having a very good running game to take the pressure off of him. But, he also shows when the pressure is on him to produce in passing situations, that he can perform with the best of them...see the end of the Bears game.He brings everything to this team that I adamantly stated was needed when Vick was the QB. A QB that can read defenses, make proper decisions under pressure and get rid of the ball, while avoiding turnovers. Here's to probably having the most accurate, most intelligent, hardest working QB this team has ever had. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconSparky Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 I used to think wins and losses were team stats. After we signed Michael Vick you guys taught me that winning was the only stat that mattered for a QB. Now that I'm more educated, all Matt Ryan does is win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chifalc Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 LOL not this stats dont matter crap again and all that matters is wins.we could hav a worst QB than ryan with a great defense and have a better QB percentage, does that mean that QB is better htan Ryan?NO.Stats matter.One mention to blow that out of the water. Trent Dilfer has a superbowl ring. Brad JOhnson has a superbowl ring. Anyone really want to argue that another QB wousdl not have doen MASSIVELY better in either case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waterproof_ace83 Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 teams win games, not individuals. Ryan is doing a great job, but we are winning because of our running game and defense in addition to the qb play. the qbs with better stats dont have as many wins because they dont have either the running game or the d that we have. they also didnt get to play the chiefs, raiders, and lions either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chifalc Posted November 3, 2008 Share Posted November 3, 2008 teams win games, not individuals. Ryan is doing a great job, but we are winning because of our running game and defense in addition to the qb play. the qbs with better stats dont have as many wins because they dont have either the running game or the d that we have. they also didnt get to play the chiefs, raiders, and lions either.As far as the raw stat totals, there is a simpler reason: The other quarterbacks are in systems that throw more often than the Falcons do.ANd also. . almost the entirity opf Ryan's badness comes not even from just one game, but from one half of one game. More than that, the first nine passes of one game.Apart from the first nine passes of the Tampa game, he's a low nineties rating. And that is with the rating that overrates Completion percentage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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