Mike and Mike on the bad call

[nvalvano25]

Mike and Mike were just talking about how bad of a call the Refs made on Jennings' "MUFFED" punt yesterday...They said this was a call that absolutly ruined the game for Atlanta, when they shouldve had a chance to drive down for a win.....They went on to say that the coaches should not be given challenge privledges and that we should adapt the College Football rules....I TOTALLY AGREE!!!!!!!! Matty ICE wouldve led us to a win...NO DOUBT!

[Raptor Jesus]

I was considering it a win after Philly went 3 and out, LOL... I agree, the challenge thing is kinda stupid.

[direwolf]

If nothing else, I do think that something should be done with the replay rules. A few things have never made sense.

For example:

1) Why should a coach only get two challenges? Are the refs limited to making two mistakes in a game? Chances are, if the refs have blown two calls (or more, since the other coach has two challenges as well), they're MORE likely to make another.

2) Why should the challenges be tied to time-outs? Are the refs immune from screwing up if a team is out of time outs? Of course not - we saw it yesterday.

I think that if a coach challenges with no time outs and loses, the team should take a fifteen-yard penalty. That way, the refs remain accountable for their errors.

Direwolf

[Tandy]

If nothing else, I do think that something should be done with the replay rules. A few things have never made sense.

For example:

1) Why should a coach only get two challenges? Are the refs limited to making two mistakes in a game? Chances are, if the refs have blown two calls (or more, since the other coach has two challenges as well), they're MORE likely to make another.

2) Why should the challenges be tied to time-outs? Are the refs immune from screwing up if a team is out of time outs? Of course not - we saw it yesterday.

I think that if a coach challenges with no time outs and loses, the team should take a fifteen-yard penalty. That way, the refs remain accountable for their errors.

Direwolf

I agree 100% - I believe that the calls should be tied to penalty yards (although 15 is excessive - 10 should be enough) and not time-outs.

Remember how these rules become effective though - they throw these things out there and they vote on them. I would say that the reason they used time-outs is because at a critical point where lost yardage could destroy a drive even worse than a bad call - a coach would be loathe to throw the flag, no matter how sure he felt he would win.

The other reason they chose this was to get the replay challenge in at all. A lot of coaches and owners felt that it would delay the games too much and that every play would be challenged by some coaches. So, this was the compromise.

It hurt us this time - and who knows - it may be changed in the future, but it is what it is and hey - it bit us this time - we have to move on.

[McMVP]

If nothing else, I do think that something should be done with the replay rules. A few things have never made sense.

For example:

1) Why should a coach only get two challenges? Are the refs limited to making two mistakes in a game? Chances are, if the refs have blown two calls (or more, since the other coach has two challenges as well), they're MORE likely to make another.

2) Why should the challenges be tied to time-outs? Are the refs immune from screwing up if a team is out of time outs? Of course not - we saw it yesterday.

I think that if a coach challenges with no time outs and loses, the team should take a fifteen-yard penalty. That way, the refs remain accountable for their errors.

Direwolf

The answers to both your questions have to do with the length of the game. If you remember, the opponents of replay argued that it would make the game too long (TV related probably). Limitting the challenges and offseting unsuccessful ones with the loss of timeouts was the compromise to keep games as close to 3 hours as possible.

[Theyhateme : )]

I find it very interesting how no one thinks that Jennings should've caught the ball. At the very least, called for a fair catch and got COMPLETELY away from the ball.... :mellow:

[octoslash]

The NFL should just adopt the NCAA review policy, period.

This timeout/coach's challenge stuff is pure HORSESHIT THAT COSTS TEAMS A CHANCE TO WIN PIVOTAL GAMES.

[octoslash]

I find it very interesting how no one thinks that Jennings should've caught the ball. At the very least, called for a fair catch and got COMPLETELY away from the ball.... :mellow:

The smart Falcon fan doesn't expect anything like forethought or logic from that pitiful Jennings.

[Statick]

If nothing else, I do think that something should be done with the replay rules. A few things have never made sense.

For example:

1) Why should a coach only get two challenges? Are the refs limited to making two mistakes in a game? Chances are, if the refs have blown two calls (or more, since the other coach has two challenges as well), they're MORE likely to make another.

2) Why should the challenges be tied to time-outs? Are the refs immune from screwing up if a team is out of time outs? Of course not - we saw it yesterday.

I think that if a coach challenges with no time outs and loses, the team should take a fifteen-yard penalty. That way, the refs remain accountable for their errors.

Direwolf

I believe that what happened to us yesterday sets a precedent for a change in the rules when it comes to challenges and instant replay.

Rich McKay had better bring it up at the next meeting.

[mozzie71]

nothing makes me madder than ref's f'ups altering the complexion of the game completely.

like the seattle superbowl.. i hate the s'hawks.. but that display made me SICK!

[michael garvin]

the NFL is too arrogant to implement a college rule, even if it is the absolute right one

[Sun Tzu 7]

The answers to both your questions have to do with the length of the game. If you remember, the opponents of replay argued that it would make the game too long (TV related probably). Limitting the challenges and offseting unsuccessful ones with the loss of timeouts was the compromise to keep games as close to 3 hours as possible.

Yeah, they use to have replay without any limits.

Here's the problem. If you have unlimited replay you're going to challenge EVERY bad call and so is the other coach.

Even with 3 challenges I've seen games drag where one team threw a challenge and the other team threw one on the next play and I think there was a challenge on the next play.

Trust me. You don't want unlimited replays.

Besides, if the defense plays better this isn't a issue.

The problem is the defense.... not a bad call on one play.

[Rev_Hal]

If nothing else, I do think that something should be done with the replay rules. A few things have never made sense.

For example:

1) Why should a coach only get two challenges? Are the refs limited to making two mistakes in a game? Chances are, if the refs have blown two calls (or more, since the other coach has two challenges as well), they're MORE likely to make another.

2) Why should the challenges be tied to time-outs? Are the refs immune from screwing up if a team is out of time outs? Of course not - we saw it yesterday.

I think that if a coach challenges with no time outs and loses, the team should take a fifteen-yard penalty. That way, the refs remain accountable for their errors.

Direwolf

I would make it a 5 yard Delay of Game, but I agree with the thought.

[Keith]

I would make it a 5 yard Delay of Game, but I agree with the thought.

Heck, if I'm Mike Smith, I'm willing to risk some kind of 15-yard penalty on that situation.

I don't think the NFL would ever go for just a 5-yard delay of game penalty, but 15 yards might be doable as a way of telling a coach "you better be sure before you do this because we're going to hit you up for 15 yards if you 'incorrectly' delay this game".

[The_ATL]

The refs missed this one BADLY and yes I believe that replay should be looked at but I'm just as angry at the fool Jennings for not either catching the **** ball or getting away from it as I am anything else.

It's just one more mark to add to his list of screw ups, it's beyond pathetic.

[The_ATL]

Yeah, they use to have replay without any limits.

Here's the problem. If you have unlimited replay you're going to challenge EVERY bad call and so is the other coach.

Even with 3 challenges I've seen games drag where one team threw a challenge and the other team threw one on the next play and I think there was a challenge on the next play.

Trust me. You don't want unlimited replays.

Besides, if the defense plays better this isn't a issue.

The problem is the defense.... not a bad call on one play.

Are you kidding? The defense gave up 20 points and kept the offense in the game. The defense played much better than I thought they would.

If you want to look at it that way then we could bring up the INT that Ryan threw on the 1 yard line. Had we scored a TD on that drive it would have been the difference in the game as they went back down the field 2 drives later for one.

[atljbo]

I find it very interesting how no one thinks that Jennings should've caught the ball. At the very least, called for a fair catch and got COMPLETELY away from the ball.... :mellow:

I agree 100%..... Thats the man job...... Jennings should have caught the ball because we needed the field position..... the ball would have bounced atleast 6 yards back..... Those are yards that we needed...... The Refs blew the call 100%.... They made a Huge mistake but yooooo jennings should have did his da** job........ Thats the only thing he does man....... just fair catch the ball

This image alone piss me off...... just catch the ball........why does he make everything dramatic...lol..

[Jesus]

Good thing our team president is the head of the Competition Committee. We could be hearing about an Adam Jennings/Mike Smith/Falcons rule coming into effect next year.

[KANE337]

Any controversial play that results in a change of possession should be reviewed. Period!

[CraigSmackDaddy]

I think the rule should be in the last 7 mins of the 4th quarter, if you don't have a timeout, you can challenge but if you lose you are penalized 15 yards. No one will do it unless they really think they are right.

Complete BS that this call is not getting more attention. When SD got ripped it was all over the **** news, we get one line mentioned in the ESPN write up...

[Level]

Any controversial play that results in a change of possession should be reviewed. Period!

AMEN!!!! -_-

[clownorg]

Any controversial play that results in a change of possession should be reviewed. Period!

Agreed.

That one call ruined my whole day.

Sure we had other chances to win that we blew, but lets face it. I was 100% confident that Ryan would led the team to a TD drive with 2+ minutes left. But thanks to the Refs he never got the shot.

Ohh well. What's done is done. Let's take it out on the Raiders!!!!!!!!!!

[Money Lee]

I think they should review scoring plays and changes of possession, regardless of the time. Although, the NFL's method of review is too time consuming in itself and in need of review. The college method of having someone review it from the booth and relay the decision down is much more effective.

[Jesus]

I don't want to say anything but we had beat the spread until that call....

NFL is starting to look a lot like the NBA

[FalconFanForLife]

Well the refs definitely blew the call. But the replay system is set of compromises, so I don't know if you can ever satisfy every situation that occurs in a game to make it perfect. The refs offer that unique blend of human judgment that adds a wrinkle to every game. I don't think we can have a perfect system no matter what we do if we want to continue to have that human element in the game.

The bottom line is Jennings did not make good judgment on catching the punt. This is a trend of his that we have seen since he became the punter, and I believe the trend will continue myself. But one play does not win or lose a game. Honestly, the Eagles just played better overall than we did and deserved to win.