millenium falcon Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 are 12th! aside from yards per game, we compare very favorably to them defensively. not only do i think we will make a game of it, i believe we can win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
millenium falcon Posted October 26, 2008 Author Share Posted October 26, 2008 they are 10th in pts allowed(123), we are 11th(127). we play more of a bend dont break defense or we have given up some big plays that we are trying to clean up. we rank in there with the play off teams on defense albeit at the bottom of the list where teams just squeak in. offensively we look a bit better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconfanjason Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 You can give up a ton of yards (see Chicago's D against us) but as long as you make the opposition settle for 3 instead of 7, you always have a chance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Mondays Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 Thats because we are playing a bend but don't break D as we don't have the best defence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chifalc Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 Since the goal of a defense is to prevent the other team from scoring, isn't preventing the other team from scoring the metric that a defense should be judged upon? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
falconsd56 Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 Since the goal of a defense is to prevent the other team from scoring, isn't preventing the other team from scoring the metric that a defense should be judged upon?you are right but sadly its not.hense my points that overall stats mean nothing. the only ones that matter are how many w's you have and thats it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rock Thrower Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 Since the goal of a defense is to prevent the other team from scoring, isn't preventing the other team from scoring the metric that a defense should be judged upon?You are correct techically, but IMO part of the role is also giving the O good field position. It is much easier to score when you start from the 40 than the 5. For now though I'll take giving up fewer points and hope as the team continues to evolve we can work on the yardage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chifalc Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 you are right but sadly its not.hense my points that overall stats mean nothing. the only ones that matter are how many w's you have and thats it.THe 'We don't have a good defense because we're playing bend but don't break defense' Well, if the defense bends but doesn't break: I e, does not give up points, than regardless of the yardage numbers, isn't the defense doing its job? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMVP Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 Since the goal of a defense is to prevent the other team from scoring, isn't preventing the other team from scoring the metric that a defense should be judged upon?Yes - but sadly the NFL stats don't adjust for points scored that were the fault of Special Teams. Eagles have had a KR and a FG block returned for TDs this year. The D has allowed an averge of 18.2 points per game outside of those scores. Of course the 41 points Dallas scored didn't help much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chifalc Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 You are correct techically, but IMO part of the role is also giving the O good field position. It is much easier to score when you start from the 40 than the 5. For now though I'll take giving up fewer points and hope as the team continues to evolve we can work on the yardage.But we also start out with one of the NFL's better average field positions. Our average starting line of scrimmage is the 30.7 yard line.There are only ten teams with better average starting field position, and thats including out putrid punt return game.I think our field position has not been a liability. . . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chifalc Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 Yes - but sadly the NFL stats don't adjust for points scored that were the fault of Special Teams. Eagles have had a KR and a FG block returned for TDs this year. The D has allowed an average of 18.2 points per game outside of those scores. Of course the 41 points Dallas scored didn't help much.I'm sure that cuts both ways> There are probably other teams in the top ten who have given up points on special teams as well, you know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chifalc Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 Yes - but sadly the NFL stats don't adjust for points scored that were the fault of Special Teams. Eagles have had a KR and a FG block returned for TDs this year. The D has allowed an averge of 18.2 points per game outside of those scores. Of course the 41 points Dallas scored didn't help much.Besides: I would count kick return game and punt return game as part of the defense anyway. They both have to deal with determining your opponents position on the field directly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrs falcon Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 Talking about match-up on espn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMVP Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 I'm sure that cuts both ways> There are probably other teams in the top ten who have given up points on special teams as well, you know.14 points in 6 games?There have only been 10 TDs on kick/punt returns so for this year - in the entire NFL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMVP Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 Besides: I would count kick return game and punt return game as part of the defense anyway. They both have to deal with determining your opponents position on the field directly.I wouldn't Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chifalc Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 I wouldn'tOf course you wouldn't. Because it pumps up the eagle not to.What is the point of the offense? TO advance the ball down field towards the opponent's goalline to score. What is the point of your kick return team and punt return team? To do the same thing.What is the purpose of the defense? To prevent the opposing team from moving down field towards your own endzone and scoring. What is the point of your kick return and punt return defense? The same one. The kick or punt return is the first offensive or defensive play of each drive.Frankly, from my perspective, I would just lump the Yardage and scores from special teams in with both offense and defense as appropriate and be done with it. now the place that there IS an argument for something making a defense look worse than ti really is, or an offense better, from a scoring perception, is fumbles and interceptions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McMVP Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 Of course you wouldn't. Because it pumps up the eagle not to.What is the point of the offense? TO advance the ball down field towards the opponent's goalline to score. What is the point of your kick return team and punt return team? To do the same thing.What is the purpose of the defense? To prevent the opposing team from moving down field towards your own endzone and scoring. What is the point of your kick return and punt return defense? The same one. The kick or punt return is the first offensive or defensive play of each drive.Frankly, from my perspective, I would just lump the Yardage and scores from special teams in with both offense and defense as appropriate and be done with it. now the place that there IS an argument for something making a defense look worse than ti really is, or an offense better, from a scoring perception, is fumbles and interceptions.That has nothing to do with it - and it doesn't pump up the Eagles in any way. It only makes them look bad. There is a reason why they call it Special Teams - it is not the same as offense or defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chifalc Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 That has nothing to do with it - and it doesn't pump up the Eagles in any way. It only makes them look bad. There is a reason why they call it Special Teams - it is not the same as offense or defense.YOu keep saying that, but you say it in the manner of "I'm right and I don't have to prove it!" Tel me, precisely, WHY it is so different?And yes, you do do it to try to pump up the eagles. By claiming that they somehow aren't responsible defensively for the points scored against them./ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.CharlestonChad. Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 Of course you wouldn't. Because it pumps up the eagle not to.What is the point of the offense? TO advance the ball down field towards the opponent's goalline to score. What is the point of your kick return team and punt return team? To do the same thing.What is the purpose of the defense? To prevent the opposing team from moving down field towards your own endzone and scoring. What is the point of your kick return and punt return defense? The same one. The kick or punt return is the first offensive or defensive play of each drive.Frankly, from my perspective, I would just lump the Yardage and scores from special teams in with both offense and defense as appropriate and be done with it. now the place that there IS an argument for something making a defense look worse than ti really is, or an offense better, from a scoring perception, is fumbles and interceptions.VERY well said. Defense is the "defending of the endzone". Special teams are either offense or defense. If a defense is ranked poorly in points allowed because of special teams, then they deserve that ranking because they are not deep enough as a team to field a good special teams squad. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EagleTom Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 Falcons fans, Mcnabb is going to lite up that young secondary today. And the Eagles D is going to put more pressure on Matt Ryan than he's seen in his entire career. He's in for a long day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
.CharlestonChad. Posted October 26, 2008 Share Posted October 26, 2008 Falcons fans, Mcnabb is going to lite up that young secondary today. And the Eagles D is going to put more pressure on Matt Ryan than he's seen in his entire career. He's in for a long dayWell, you seem to forget the fact that our O-Line is one of the best in the league in both pass protection and run blocking. We have a very solid group of LB's, which is a plus against the many check downs McNabb will drop to Westbrook. We have the league's best DE, and our other DE is coming out of his rookie year coma with a big game last week, and improvements all year long. Our defenses are nearly identically ranked in points per game, which is the only stat that matters. Our offense is superior to yours. We have a stellar run game against your subpar run defense the last few games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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