Who was impressive in college football today?

[g-dawg]

Isn't it mattryan222222 that has Berry on the brain & can't get over his infatuation with him?

oh yeah........ :mellow:

oh well, "The Dirty Bird" still needs help - maybe we can get a "package deal" for both of 'em.

[Robb4242]

And, back on topic......

Matt Stafford was very impressive in the LSU game.

He's still learning, and did a much better job, of taking the underneath stuff, rather than forcing deep, but that is something he still needs to work on.

But the leadership he showed out there was outstanding. Also, I LOVE that they give him complete control of the offense. He goes up, reads the defense, and then gets the offense into the proper play. He's not looking to the side line to see what audible they want him to call. It's very Manningesque in the way he controls the pre-snap. To me, that's the most impressive part of Stafford's game, and even more of a reason for him to be a top 5 pick than his arm, which is good enough alone to warrant him being a high 1st round pick.

[Robb4242]

oh yeah........ :mellow:

oh well, "The Dirty Bird" still needs help - maybe we can get a "package deal" for both of 'em.

Now THAT sounds like a plan.

[g-dawg]

And, back on topic......

Matt Stafford was very impressive in the LSU game.

He's still learning, and did a much better job, of taking the underneath stuff, rather than forcing deep, but that is something he still needs to work on.

But the leadership he showed out there was outstanding. Also, I LOVE that they give him complete control of the offense. He goes up, reads the defense, and then gets the offense into the proper play. He's not looking to the side line to see what audible they want him to call. It's very Manningesque in the way he controls the pre-snap. To me, that's the most impressive part of Stafford's game, and even more of a reason for him to be a top 5 pick than his arm, which is good enough alone to warrant him being a high 1st round pick.

good post......I have been VERY CRITICAL of Matthew Stafford this year but he impressed me in the LSU game.......If Stafford can play that well the rest of the season he will make himself another $15 million over the next six years....

[head busta from augusta]

But it worked for those 4 years. Roddy's kinda old, 4 years from now he might be starting the downside of his career.

Do you really what to draft a first round for 4 years? When is 26 old he is still in his rookie contract? He hasn't completed his forth year yet. He is not even in his prime! My thoughts are that four years from now we could not afford White, Ryan, Turner & Crabtree (if he is successful).

[Robb4242]

Do you really what to draft a first round for 4 years? When is 26 old he is still in his rookie contract? He hasn't completed his forth year yet. He is not even in his prime! My thoughts are that four years from now we could not afford White, Ryan, Turner & Crabtree (if he is successful).

4 years from now, Roddy is 30. If Crabtree is what most people think he's going to be, that could be the point see Roddy leaving and going with Crabtree and other younger receivers.

[The Dirty Bird]

Alright Dirty Bird, that's it!!!

Guys, I'm asking for an "emergency intervention" on behalf of the suffering "The Dirty Bird" patient.........We are hear today to discuss "The Dirty Bird's" penchant, his "addiction", if you will, for bringing up players that will not be technically available for the next upcoming 2009 NFL draft. Exhibit A is Eric Berry and now we have Exhibit B which is this Arrelious Benn character...

..I also overheard The Dirty Bird discussing this running back that he saw dominate at a middle school football game - he said "Thomas Dimitroff bring home Octavious Jackson in 2018" - that is just sick - this is "child exploitation" at its worst .....You need help Dirty Bird....serious help! The first step to healing is your admission that you have a problem.

"Will you agree to accept this help as it is being offered to you today? We have a car outside ready to take you to a "draft-a-holics anonymous" treatment center in Des Moines, Iowa...........Please get help today".....

G-Dawg -

I believe you have me mistaken with either mattryan(bunch of 2's) or someone else, as the only person(s) I have said we should look to in 2010 are Benn and Austin which justify why I have not looked to go WR (Maclin) or DT (Marks/Raji/Duke DT) early.

Who the **** is Octavious Jackson? and another thing...how can you overhear something on this board? Either you read it, or you don't.

Thanks for the concern, though. Good to know you care.

[g-dawg]

G-Dawg -

I believe you have me mistaken with either mattryan(bunch of 2's) or someone else, as the only person(s) I have said we should look to in 2010 are Benn and Austin which justify why I have not looked to go WR (Maclin) or DT (Marks/Raji/Duke DT) early.

Who the **** is Octavious Jackson? and another thing...how can you overhear something on this board? Either you read it, or you don't.

Thanks for the concern, though. Good to know you care.

you are correct that I mistakenly labeled you as the culprit in the perpetual, non-stop advocate of Eric Berry when the guilty party was mattyryan2222 - robb brought this up and I acknowledged.......I guess with all the Taylor Mays "man-love" you give - I mistakenly lumped that in with the other guys touting of Eric Berry - which is ridicoulous for anybody on the board to be talking about - I don't want to talk about prospects that won't be "draft-eligible" next year - what's the point? And, then when you brought up that Aurrelious Benn - that just "tore it" for me..........

"Octavious Jackson" is just a made-up player - but he sounds good, don't 'cha think? trying to exaggerate for effect........

Anyway, the "intervention thing" was 50% disgust at bringing up these "future players" that are 2+ years away from draft eligibility and 50% just "having fun with ya"..........nothing to get upset about

[The Dirty Bird]

you are correct that I mistakenly labeled you as the culprit in the perpetual, non-stop advocate of Eric Berry when the guilty party was mattyryan2222 - robb brought this up and I acknowledged.......I guess with all the Taylor Mays "man-love" you give - I mistakenly lumped that in with the other guys touting of Eric Berry - which is ridicoulous for anybody on the board to be talking about - I don't want to talk about prospects that won't be "draft-eligible" next year - what's the point? And, then when you brought up that Aurrelious Benn - that just "tore it" for me..........

"Octavious Jackson" is just a made-up player - but he sounds good, don't 'cha think? trying to exaggerate for effect........

Anyway, the "intervention thing" was 50% disgust at bringing up these "future players" that are 2+ years away from draft eligibility and 50% just "having fun with ya"..........nothing to get upset about

The only thing I am upset about is that you mistook me for mattryan2222.....deep burn.

With that said though the only prospects I have ever mentioned for future drafts are one for 2010 and those are in my mocks where I go this year and next year so you see the whole plan. For the record, as football players, I do like Benn more than any WR in this potential draft class.

[A-TowN.-]

I thought that he was the greatest RB since his sophomore year in HS but after watching him play I think his role in the NFL will be as a return man and as a trick play/Reggie Bush RB (basically a WR).

You can't compare Devine to Westbrook but Westbrook can do it all and you can't compare him to Chris Johnson because Johnson can run in between the tackles and gets north/south and breaks tackles which Devine doesn't.

Devine is very fast and very shifty/elusive but he isn't what the Falcons need because they basically have that in Norwood.

A team that needs a Noel Devine would be like the Cardinals who have two bruisers one of which is aging, the Browns, the Bucs depending on Caddy's health, maybe some others by then as well.

I know, I know, just being goofy. But he can run between holes since he is fast enough and small enough to. He could be an every down back if he bulked up more.

THIS YEAR already he has 115 attempts for 849 yards (7.2 yards a carry) and 3 touchdowns.

& I believe he is something special

[head busta from augusta]

Your premise - and then the "defense of your premise" by running down my list above is "idiotic" - just because you say "2 for 11" does not make it so - nothing you said above takes away from my list - it just damages your weak "theory".

Would a tandem of two "prima dona" WRs like Terrell Owens and Randy Moss work on the same team? probably not - you have to draft "team guys" first and foremost...its worked in the past, as my list suggests - and it will work in the future. The point is probably "moot" anyway because the Falcons more than likely won't get a shot at Crabtree because I think he goes "top 10" and I don't see us getting a sniff of the top 10 unless we start collecting injuries......

But, yes, two excellent WRs will work on one team.........its been done before and it will be done again

Ok let’s see if I can strengthen up my defense a little better. How many of those tandems won a super bowl while both having a 1000 yard season. Hey how many of the tandems have both receivers made the pro bowl in the year they have won?

The link below is the league's standings of teams thru week 8 by record (because hey you are what your record say you are right) Bill Parcells.

http://www.nfl.com/standings?category=league

I would like for everyone to notice the teams ranked higher than us. How many of them have two number one options? Better yet how many of them have a better wr option than Roddy White?

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tab...mp;d-447263-n=1

Now everyone please refer back to the link with the team's standing (Print, write or memorize the list). Would you say that the list below (team's passing ranking) is a correct correlation to the team’s standings:

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tab...mp;d-447263-n=1

Or does this list (Team's defensive ranking for points allowed) show a better representation of best team’s ranking?

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?sea...mp;d-447263-n=1

Ok that was still weak right? Let me take this debate in a new direction, everyone here ultimate goal on this mb for this team, is to be a super bowl winner right. That is the true succes that you are talking about right. Since the 00-01 season these are your super bowl winners.

07-08 Giant

06-07 Colts

05-06 Steelers

04-05 Patriots

03-04 Patriots

02-03 Bucs

01-02 Patriots

00-01 Ravens

How many of these teams had one wr playing better that Roddy White is now (on pace 1550 yds, 98 recs & 11 tds) maybe two (Harrison, Wayne)? How many defenses come to mind when you think why they won the super bowl? All of them! If we ever want to win or compete for a super bowl we need to improve our defense not or wr core which already has one of the best young wr already on it! Let me also remind everyone that White did not have much better stats in his first two years that Robinson and Douglas are projected to having in there first two years. So just imagine if we would have given up on White after his first two years. We might already have our second option on the roster we just won’t know after 1 or 2 years. Is that strong enough argument Mr. g-dawg?

Owned!!!!!!!

[head busta from augusta]

4 years from now, Roddy is 30. If Crabtree is what most people think he's going to be, that could be the point see Roddy leaving and going with Crabtree and other younger receivers.

Didn't Randy Moss break Rice single season td record at 30? Didn't Marvin Harrison win his first super bowl in his 30s? Do you dare look a Rice's stats after 92?

[g-dawg]

Ok let’s see if I can strengthen up my defense a little better. How many of those tandems won a super bowl while both having a 1000 yard season. Hey how many of the tandems have both receivers made the pro bowl in the year they have won?

The link below is the league's standings of teams thru week 8 by record (because hey you are what your record say you are right) Bill Parcells.

http://www.nfl.com/standings?category=league

I would like for everyone to notice the teams ranked higher than us. How many of them have two number one options? Better yet how many of them have a better wr option than Roddy White?

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tab...mp;d-447263-n=1

Now everyone please refer back to the link with the team's standing (Print, write or memorize the list). Would you say that the list below (team's passing ranking) is a correct correlation to the team’s standings:

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?tab...mp;d-447263-n=1

Or does this list (Team's defensive ranking for points allowed) show a better representation of best team’s ranking?

http://www.nfl.com/stats/categorystats?sea...mp;d-447263-n=1

Ok that was still weak right? Let me take this debate in a new direction, everyone here ultimate goal on this mb for this team, is to be a super bowl winner right. That is the true succes that you are talking about right. Since the 00-01 season these are your super bowl winners.

07-08 Giant

06-07 Colts

05-06 Steelers

04-05 Patriots

03-04 Patriots

02-03 Bucs

01-02 Patriots

00-01 Ravens

How many of these teams had one wr playing better that Roddy White is now (on pace 1550 yds, 98 recs & 11 tds) maybe two (Harrison, Wayne)? How many defenses come to mind when you think why they won the super bowl? All of them! If we ever want to win or compete for a super bowl we need to improve our defense not or wr core which already has one of the best young wr already on it! Let me also remind everyone that White did not have much better stats in his first two years that Robinson and Douglas are projected to having in there first two years. So just imagine if we would have given up on White after his first two years. We might already have our second option on the roster we just won’t know after 1 or 2 years. Is that strong enough argument Mr. g-dawg?

Owned!!!!!!!

no your argument is not strong at all........owned? puh-leze

[Happy Mondays]

Am I understanding this arguement right??

Head Busta is saying that having 2 elite WR's on a team will never work?? because if he is im gonna have to throw a big fat

[head busta from augusta]

Am I understanding this arguement right??

Head Busta is saying that having 2 elite WR's on a team will never work?? because if he is im gonna have to throw a big fat

Well will someone please show me how it has and will work again. I have show numerous examples of it not working I am all ears on how it does work! Crabtree although appears to be a great kid and wrs however as I have said now and all this summer. We are fine at wr no need address that need in the near future.

Before answering ask yourself this. We got TD here from the Pats because we want the success they have right. We got a defense minded coach just like their coach is regard as a defensive genius. We got a Pro Bowler rb and wr already. We have a great collection of talent on both offense and defense.

Now look at the teams that sustain the most success in the NFL (you makeup your own list just to prove my point) how many of YOUR teams draft a wr in the first round? Do we want this team to emulate those teams or do we want a fly by night approach of drafting the greatest ever wr that comes out of college every year in the first round? So unless you have clear cut example and a logically argument these photo shopped pictures are cute and I am sure it works on your all Madden team. But fellas in the real NFL you will see it doesn't work. Please pool your resources together gentlemen I'll be waiting. Oh please keep the pictures coming they are funny just attach your arguments to them they might be as entertaining as the pictures.

[head busta from augusta]

no your argument is not strong at all........owned? puh-leze

Can you tell me why? Come on this is too easy.

[g-dawg]

Can you tell me why? Come on this is too easy.

Here is your argument in a nutshell.......

"Falcons would be stupid to take Michael Crabtree because there is no history of success in the NFL of a team having two elite WRs"

then I give you:

Randy Moss & Cris Carter

Jerry Rice and Terrell Owens

Torry Holt & Isaac Bruce

Marvin Harrison & Reggie Wayne

Anquan Boldin & Larry Fitzgerald

Hines Ward & Plaxico Burress

You cannot dispute that all of these tandems worked and the teams were successful.........You cannot dispute it but you want to argue the point anyway.........

The FACT of the matter is you cannot "prove your claim" that two elite WRs will not work in the NFL - you cannot PROVE IT! - PERIOD - END OF STORY..........

but someonhow you want to argue it anyway....

OWNED!!!!!!!!!!

[head busta from augusta]

Here is your argument in a nutshell.......

"Falcons would be stupid to take Michael Crabtree because there is no history of success in the NFL of a team having two elite WRs"

then I give you:

Randy Moss & Cris Carter

Jerry Rice and Terrell Owens

Torry Holt & Isaac Bruce

Marvin Harrison & Reggie Wayne

Anquan Boldin & Larry Fitzgerald

Hines Ward & Plaxico Burress

You cannot dispute that all of these tandems worked and the teams were successful.........You cannot dispute it but you want to argue the point anyway.........

The FACT of the matter is you cannot "prove your claim" that two elite WRs will not work in the NFL - you cannot PROVE IT! - PERIOD - END OF STORY..........

but someonhow you want to argue it anyway....

OWNED!!!!!!!!!!

Are you reading my argument? Both are at least 900 yd wr and count the super bowls dude! Teams success is all about rings not how many number one options! There are only two tandems I am willing to give you credit on this debate in 20 years. Marvin and Reggie & Torry and Issac. Marvin and Reggie didn't win a championship until their defense showed up.

[The Dirty Bird]

Head Busta From Augusta (primarily) and g-dawg -

can you find the decency to stop this petty fight? i watched one of my threads get jacked by a fight and now i'm watching it happen to yours (g-dawg).

If you want to bicker, do it in PMs or messages.

[g-dawg]

Are you reading my argument? Both are at least 900 yd wr and count the super bowls dude! Teams success is all about rings not how many number one options! There are only two tandems I am willing to give you credit on this debate in 20 years. Marvin and Reggie & Torry and Issac. Marvin and Reggie didn't win a championship until their defense showed up.

.......oh I am so sorry you are right - happy?

[g-dawg]

Head Busta From Augusta (primarily) and g-dawg -

can you find the decency to stop this petty fight? i watched one of my threads get jacked by a fight and now i'm watching it happen to yours (g-dawg).

If you want to bicker, do it in PMs or messages.

sorry Dirty Bird - I'm "done" with this fight with headbusta - it is a stupid argument and I totally reject his premise - should not have even took the bait and participated in his geeky argument - it won't happen again - a waste of my time.