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ryan beat orton head to head with no run game. orton had a run game and a pretty good defense to help him out.

ryan > orton now, and most likely their entire careers. orton is a game manager, ryan is a franchise qb.

Well said. Nothing against Orton. He has developed into a pretty solid QB but Ryan just beat up on a great Bears D while Orton was only decent against an alright Falcons D. We'll see who goes farther this year and let that decide. I would take Ryan right now over most QB's. The only exceptions are Peyton and Brady. And maybe Brees, nah, I'll still take Ryan.

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