and now for my weekly Victor Harris hype...

[KRUNKuno]

dating back to last year i've been all over Harris like flies to poo because that's exactly how Victor Harris plays football. i said he would be a mid to late first rounder but backed off a little. not because of his play, but because he's more fit for cover2. a prime example of this was Brandon Flowers last year. In my eyes, he'd have to truly work his way into tha first round. he has yet to disappoint.

i snuck out at work a few times to keep track with Harris' play. i saw him get beat for that touchdown, but i knew he'd have tha last laugh. tha next series he comes out, LOCKS DOWN his receiver in man coverage to make a remarkable pick 6. i've always said that he plays exceptional zone coverage and tight man coverage and it showed throughout this game. he comes up to support flat routes when he's in deep zone, he's an asset in run defense, i watched this man come up from his deep zone and plow a runningback clean out of bounds. he's tough, and i've yet to mention his punt returning abilities.

straight up, he's officially a first rounder. Heaven forbid something drastic happening to this guy because he can really be a formidable resource and star in tha NFL. wherever he goes, i know i'm copping his jersey. Hopefully it'll be a Red, Black, and White jersey with Atlanta Falcons on it.

[keller24VT]

Harris is a great player. I definitely think he is a first rounder. Had a great game tonight. Too bad VT's offense did absolutely nothing. 5 turnovers and zero offensive touchdowns. I feel bad for Bud Foster. Tech's OC Stinespring should be fired. He has to be the worst OC I've ever seen (worse than Greg Knapp).

[The Dirty Bird]

Harris is a great player. I definitely think he is a first rounder. Had a great game tonight. Too bad VT's offense did absolutely nothing. 5 turnovers and zero offensive touchdowns. I feel bad for Bud Foster. Tech's OC Stinespring should be fired. He has to be the worst OC I've ever seen (worse than Greg Knapp).

I know you guys are Macho/VT fans but he got burned on more than one occasion last night, especially bad on the touchdown. ESPN was talking about how he was getting burned..he's a good player though, top of the 2nd in my book.

[Libid21]

I know you guys are Macho/VT fans but he got burned on more than one occasion last night, especially bad on the touchdown. ESPN was talking about how he was getting burned..he's a good player though, top of the 2nd in my book.

Didn't he pull his hamstring on that play when he did get burned? Or was this a different DB I'm thinking of?

[keller24VT]

I know you guys are Macho/VT fans but he got burned on more than one occasion last night, especially bad on the touchdown. ESPN was talking about how he was getting burned..he's a good player though, top of the 2nd in my book.

I really didn't see him get burned many times. I only saw two plays that he was "burned." One was on the touchdown pass and the other was when he got caught looking at the quarterback scrambling and let the receiver get behind him. I thought that he made some huge plays that kept VT in the game. He returned a pick for a score, and caused another INT for a TD when he jumped a slant route and deflected the ball to Warren. I'm not making excuses, but he is playing offense and special teams as well, so it is bound to affect him on defense sometimes. I know I am biased towards VT, I will certainly admit that, but I really don't think I'm being a homer with this. He is definitely worthy of a first rounder.

[VTCrunkler]

I really didn't see him get burned many times. I only saw two plays that he was "burned." One was on the touchdown pass and the other was when he got caught looking at the quarterback scrambling and let the receiver get behind him. I thought that he made some huge plays that kept VT in the game. He returned a pick for a score, and caused another INT for a TD when he jumped a slant route and deflected the ball to Warren. I'm not making excuses, but he is playing offense and special teams as well, so it is bound to affect him on defense sometimes. I know I am biased towards VT, I will certainly admit that, but I really don't think I'm being a homer with this. He is definitely worthy of a first rounder.

oh he was burned several times. in fact, hes been burned throughout his career. he was burnt even after the pick 6, trying to make a play, not playing solid d. . the "playmaker" mentality is what will make him marketable. he has the skill set to be a lockdown corner, but doesnt play like it. we need consistent cover corners. hes done great in the return game, and a great player no doubt, but i think weve been there done that in terms of a player like him from a similar school.

[thempizzle]

dating back to last year i've been all over Harris like flies to poo because that's exactly how Victor Harris plays football. i said he would be a mid to late first rounder but backed off a little. not because of his play, but because he's more fit for cover2. a prime example of this was Brandon Flowers last year. In my eyes, he'd have to truly work his way into tha first round. he has yet to disappoint.

i snuck out at work a few times to keep track with Harris' play. i saw him get beat for that touchdown, but i knew he'd have tha last laugh. tha next series he comes out, LOCKS DOWN his receiver in man coverage to make a remarkable pick 6. i've always said that he plays exceptional zone coverage and tight man coverage and it showed throughout this game. he comes up to support flat routes when he's in deep zone, he's an asset in run defense, i watched this man come up from his deep zone and plow a runningback clean out of bounds. he's tough, and i've yet to mention his punt returning abilities.

straight up, he's officially a first rounder. Heaven forbid something drastic happening to this guy because he can really be a formidable resource and star in tha NFL. wherever he goes, i know i'm copping his jersey. Hopefully it'll be a Red, Black, and White jersey with Atlanta Falcons on it.

so you like this guy?

[Deacon 13]

So is he a A, B or C cup????

[Falcon Fanatic]

oh he was burned several times. in fact, hes been burned throughout his career. he was burnt even after the pick 6, trying to make a play, not playing solid d. . the "playmaker" mentality is what will make him marketable. he has the skill set to be a lockdown corner, but doesnt play like it. we need consistent cover corners. hes done great in the return game, and a great player no doubt, but i think weve been there done that in terms of a player like him from a similar school.

Yep sounds a lot like Deangelo Hall. This excerpt from ESPN draft tracker solidifies that notion "Can struggle to control emotions on the field and flagged for a personal foul during the 2007 Miami game." Sound familiar?

[KRUNKuno]

Yep sounds a lot like Deangelo Hall. This excerpt from ESPN draft tracker solidifies that notion "Can struggle to control emotions on the field and flagged for a personal foul during the 2007 Miami game." Sound familiar?

if you're gonna dig to take one excerpt from ESPN then you gotta long way to go to make Harris anything near Deangelo. do your research son.

[Falcon Fanatic]

if you're gonna dig to take one excerpt from ESPN then you gotta long way to go to make Harris anything near Deangelo. do your research son.

:lol:

"Son"? Better feel again. I was probably watching football when you were still in your daddy's loins. Just because you get a nut over Harris doesn't mean everybody else should jughead. I guarantee you Arthur Blank has seen enough VT punks on his team to last a lifetime and for that reason you will be carrying that man-love for Harris to some other team besides the Falcons after next April's draft. End of discussion.

[KRUNKuno]

:lol:

"Son"? Better feel again. I was probably watching football when you were still in your daddy's loins. Just because you get a nut over Harris doesn't mean everybody else should jughead. I guarantee you Arthur Blank has seen enough VT punks on his team to last a lifetime and for that reason you will be carrying that man-love for Harris to some other team besides the Falcons after next April's draft. End of discussion.

im pretty sure arthur blank isnt making any gm moves whippersnapper. TD will draft whomever he pleases and i'm quite certain he'll take a long gander at Victor Harris, a player that fits tha mold of what we're trying to build both on and off field.

and "son" was not meant to be taken literal nor was it age-inflicted.

[Mr. Offseason]

there is a point to be made about harris' playmaking ability but that is also what leads him to be burned. that is awfully similar to dhall man.

i dont know about the attitude or whatever but that alone is disturbing to me. especially because he isnt the athlete dhall is in terms of speed to be able to gamble like that. he fits the mold of a cover-2 corner but... i dont know about him.

[The Dirty Bird]

there is a point to be made about harris' playmaking ability but that is also what leads him to be burned. that is awfully similar to dhall man.

i dont know about the attitude or whatever but that alone is disturbing to me. especially because he isnt the athlete dhall is in terms of speed to be able to gamble like that. he fits the mold of a cover-2 corner but... i dont know about him.

The best 2009 Cover-2 CB Prospect = DeAngelo Willingham from Tennessee

The best 2010 Cover-2 CB Prospect = Jairus Byrd from Oregon

Macho will be like DHall - he might have some great plays and a great season or two, but teams will figure him out and he will get burned more often than not after some time

[Shaud]

I must not be watching the same games. Well I admit I missed the BC game but caught every other game and didn't see him getting burnt. **** they hardly even throw his way. Stephen Virgil is the one who struggled starting the season out.

Either way the Hokie offense is the **** problem.

[Mr. Offseason]

I must not be watching the same games. Well I admit I missed the BC game but caught every other game and didn't see him getting burnt. **** they hardly even throw his way. Stephen Virgil is the one who struggled starting the season out.

Either way the Hokie offense is the **** problem.

shaud is back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[The Dirty Bird]

I must not be watching the same games. Well I admit I missed the BC game but caught every other game and didn't see him getting burnt. **** they hardly even throw his way. Stephen Virgil is the one who struggled starting the season out.

Either way the Hokie offense is the **** problem.

He got beat multiple times in the VT vs. BC game last weekend.

The video on this page shows like 6 plays from the game - Macho gets beat badly on two of those plays.

The Video Doesn't Lie

[Shaud]

shaud is back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

He got beat multiple times in the VT vs. BC game last weekend.

The video on this page shows like 6 plays from the game - Macho gets beat badly on two of those plays.

The Video Doesn't Lie

Yeah looked like a rough game for him, but on that last play the line couldn't get to the QB so anytime that happen he will usually complete a pass. But yeah Macho had a bad game it looks like.

[KRUNKuno]

He got beat multiple times in the VT vs. BC game last weekend.

The video on this page shows like 6 plays from the game - Macho gets beat badly on two of those plays.

The Video Doesn't Lie

two plays you point out. tha only 1, which is tha one i pointed out in tha original post, that causes concern was when he got beat for that touchdown. he was clearly paying too much attention to tha QB. saying he got burned in that other one is absurd. quarterback extends tha play, db loses track of a receiver that goes through his zone.

but what about tha pass deflection that caused tha first pick? is that a result of him being aggressive? is that a bad thing?

what about his pick 6? is that a result of him being aggressive? is that a bad thing?

i dont know what kinda football yall play, but i like my corners with a heavy dose of playmaker. physically and style of play Victor Harris is NOTHING like Deangelo Hall:

Victor Harris: 5'11''-6'0'' 186lbs-194lbs. zone coverage expertise. man coverage above average. aggressive nature comes from diagnosing plays then relying on instinct and natural ability.

Deangelo Hall: 5'10''-5'11'' 178lbs-185lbs. man coverage expertise. zone coverage above average. aggressive nature comes from relying heavily upon instinct and natural ability.

both like to be physical. both go/went to VT and have single digit jersey numbers. both are assets in punt/kick return. if i recall correctly, DHall might've played a little WR as is Victor Harris.

i know yall want to label every Virginia Tech player as a Michael Vick, Deangelo Hall, Jimmy Williams and I understand why. we've had bad luck when it comes to these guys recently which has made you all pretty much dislike anything Virginia Tech. again, I understand. all i ask is that you all recognize a player for who HE is and not for where he may come from, or because you read somewhere that he may have lost his cool one time. Harris is VT's defensive leader but most importantly their team leader.

[keller24VT]

two plays you point out. tha only 1, which is tha one i pointed out in tha original post, that causes concern was when he got beat for that touchdown. he was clearly paying too much attention to tha QB. saying he got burned in that other one is absurd. quarterback extends tha play, db loses track of a receiver that goes through his zone.

but what about tha pass deflection that caused tha first pick? is that a result of him being aggressive? is that a bad thing?

what about his pick 6? is that a result of him being aggressive? is that a bad thing?

i dont know what kinda football yall play, but i like my corners with a heavy dose of playmaker. physically and style of play Victor Harris is NOTHING like Deangelo Hall:

Victor Harris: 5'11''-6'0'' 186lbs-194lbs. zone coverage expertise. man coverage above average. aggressive nature comes from diagnosing plays then relying on instinct and natural ability.

Deangelo Hall: 5'10''-5'11'' 178lbs-185lbs. man coverage expertise. zone coverage above average. aggressive nature comes from relying heavily upon instinct and natural ability.

both like to be physical. both go/went to VT and have single digit jersey numbers. both are assets in punt/kick return. if i recall correctly, DHall might've played a little WR as is Victor Harris.

i know yall want to label every Virginia Tech player as a Michael Vick, Deangelo Hall, Jimmy Williams and I understand why. we've had bad luck when it comes to these guys recently which has made you all pretty much dislike anything Virginia Tech. again, I understand. all i ask is that you all recognize a player for who HE is and not for where he may come from, or because you read somewhere that he may have lost his cool one time. Harris is VT's defensive leader but most importantly their team leader.

I absolutely agree. I've watched every Virginia Tech game multiple times and people are acting like he gets burned on every play. He had two bad plays in the BC game, but made up for it by causing two defensive touchdowns. The previous games, the ball was rarely even thrown his way, and when it was, it was picked. Look at the Georgia Tech game, UNC game, etc. The person being burned is not Macho, it is usually Virgil. Also, keep in mind that VT's offense is DREADFUL. The defense is usually on the field for a large majority of the game. VT's offense could not score one offensive touchdown when the defense forced 5 turnovers. Macho safety help usually comes from Dorian Porch, a backup safety taking the place of Devon Morgan, who tore his ACL. I've watched every from the DHall era to the Macho era. IMO, Macho was better coming out of college than Hall, Green, Flowers, Williams, etc. And he has a positive attitude.

[Shaud]

Well Macho got abused two straight possessions, and it looks like it's going to cost us the game against Florida St.

[Libid21]

Well Macho got abused two straight possessions, and it looks like it's going to cost us the game against Florida St.

He got owned, basically.

[KRUNKuno]

didnt get a chance to see tha game. i never do anymore. my saturdays consist of full days of nonstop work. gotta bring in tha bacon.

i read tha recap however and saw that Greg Carr had a field day with Harris. Though it was only 3 catches, they were pretty big catches. im not gonna try and defend anything cuz i've yet to see what happened. did he get burned???

[Shaud]

didnt get a chance to see tha game. i never do anymore. my saturdays consist of full days of nonstop work. gotta bring in tha bacon.

i read tha recap however and saw that Greg Carr had a field day with Harris. Though it was only 3 catches, they were pretty big catches. im not gonna try and defend anything cuz i've yet to see what happened. did he get burned???

He got beat deep twice against Carr and they both setup TD's inside the 10 yard line. The last one he got beat on we should of been off the field but we roughed the punter. Carr pushed off a little on that last deep ball but Macho turned to see where the ball was and that is why he got beat. Carr is 6'6 so that was going to be a tough matchup for Macho. But yeah Macho struggled yesterday on defense. He played pretty good on Offense though.