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Stupid homer.

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Seriously though, a S in round one? I hope he can return punts and play NT and DE when we need him to.

Yeah man, seriously. I would want a DT in the 1st round (Last year I was lobbying for Sedrick Ellis), but there really isn't any DT worth a first this year. Coming in at a close 2nd is Brian Orakpo, but this thread was about the one person you want.

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Yeah man, seriously. I would want a DT in the 1st round (Last year I was lobbying for Sedrick Ellis), but there really isn't any DT worth a first this year. Coming in at a close 2nd is Brian Orakpo, but this thread was about the one person you want.

I really haven't seen Mays play that much, so that's why I'm a little skeptical, especially when we're talking about a S. I did, however, like both Landry and Nelson a lot, so I guess I'm not *totally* against drafting a safety.

What about Vince O. from Duke for a DT? He's another guy that I'm not too familiar with, but a lot of people are pretty high on him. If we're picking around 15-16 he might be a solid pick. We just REALLY, REALLY, need a big NT to replace Grady.

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I really haven't seen Mays play that much, so that's why I'm a little skeptical, especially when we're talking about a S. I did, however, like both Landry and Nelson a lot, so I guess I'm not *totally* against drafting a safety.

What about Vince O. from Duke for a DT? He's another guy that I'm not too familiar with, but a lot of people are pretty high on him. If we're picking around 15-16 he might be a solid pick. We just REALLY, REALLY, need a big NT to replace Grady.

I've only seen Vince Ogabadass once, so take the following for what it's worth. I was watching him during the GT - Duke game and wasn't impressed with him, at all. He really didn't stand out to me. I saw that GT wasn't afraid to run right at him and he didn't seem overly disruptive and I saw him jogging to the ball carrier a few times. The two DT's I like though are Terrence Cody from Alabama and BJ Raji from Boston College. It seems unlikely that Cody declares though, and it seems to me that he's a once dimensional run stuffer (ala Grady Jackson). I'm very high on Raji though, but like VO, I've hardly seen him play. Thus far though, it appears that he's probably been one of the top DT's in the nation and he's not just a run stuffer, as he has recorded a team high 4 sacks this year.

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I think the three players I believe are the best combination of value and need for the Falcons are Vontae Davis, Jeremy Macklin and James Laurinaitis. I don't think we're picking in the top 10 this year and I don't think any of them makes it out of the top 10, making this a pipe dream discussion. If I just had to pick one, Lauranaitis is the best player, Macklin would have the most immediate impact and Davis fills the biggest need. So, it's a tough call but I'd be thrilled if we wound up with any of them. In the end, I'd say Davis. All three (healthy) corners on our depth chart make me nervous.

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William Moore or Brian Orakpo.

Maclin is the man, but I'm not sure we need him.

Here's the problem with Maclin - he is a great college WR but his best asset is that he is a dynamic kick and punt returner.

In the NFL you don't put your top WR in the game as a returner for fear of injury.

So his return skills are almost useless unless you don't draft him to be a #1 or #2 WR. Reggie Bush for example doesn't return kicks, only punts, and that is a recent establishment. Davone Bess has taken over the return duties from Ted Ginn Jr. in Miami as well.

So if you really like Maclin as a receiver then drafting him in the 1st for you would make sense. Otherwise, he doesn't really make sense as a draft pick in the 1st round.

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Here's the problem with Maclin - he is a great college WR but his best asset is that he is a dynamic kick and punt returner.

In the NFL you don't put your top WR in the game as a returner for fear of injury.

So his return skills are almost useless unless you don't draft him to be a #1 or #2 WR. Reggie Bush for example doesn't return kicks, only punts, and that is a recent establishment. Davone Bess has taken over the return duties from Ted Ginn Jr. in Miami as well.

So if you really like Maclin as a receiver then drafting him in the 1st for you would make sense. Otherwise, he doesn't really make sense as a draft pick in the 1st round.

agreed, we do need a PR or KR specialist, but not one like him.

Maybe if Brandon Tate heals well, we could possibly snag him when he slips.

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So if you really like Maclin as a receiver then drafting him in the 1st for you would make sense. Otherwise, he doesn't really make sense as a draft pick in the 1st round.

Hester went three rounds above where he was projected specifically because of his return skills despite the fact he had no true NFL position. You're saying we couldn't use Maclin at WR if we use him on kick returns. Jennings, the guy we currently have performing these duties, is our #5 WR. We're not looking for a #1 wideout since we have Roddy White anyway. We're looking for a complimentary player who will be dynamic in the return game, and that's Maclin. BTW, there is a player in the NFL who is developing into a #1 receiver who also handles kicks. It's Eddie Royal. He went #42 overall and was intended to handle the kicking game while showing signs of being an impact WR. Also, Ginn wasn't demoted to protect him as a WR. He's on pace for 400 yards receiving. Bess is returning kicks because he's been better at it in the pros.

Maclin is a serendipitous player since he can dominate in the return game as well as receiver. He fits what we need to a T. Unfortunately, we won't get a whiff of him. He'll be long gone by the time we pick.

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Maclin will not be a kick/punt returner in the NFL by his 2nd season. Top WRs don't play on special teams, period. For that purpose we do not need Maclin.

He would fill the WR need, not the KR/PR need.

I was replying to your prior comment in this vein while you were doing the same here. In short, I am diametrically opposed to you on this issue. Maclin is a potent receiver who will also excel in the return game. In fact, you already named a comparable player to him in Reggie Bush, who catches several passes a game and was a trip away from scoring 3 return TDs in the same game. The distinction you make about kickoffs versus punts is irrelevant. Maclin will be used at a minimum as a punt return guy and probably will handle kicks on occasion as well while still being a factor on offense every game.

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Hester went three rounds above where he was projected specifically because of his return skills despite the fact he had no true NFL position. You're saying we couldn't use Maclin at WR if we use him on kick returns. Jennings, the guy we currently have performing these duties, is our #5 WR. We're not looking for a #1 wideout since we have Roddy White anyway. We're looking for a complimentary player who will be dynamic in the return game, and that's Maclin. BTW, there is a player in the NFL who is developing into a #1 receiver who also handles kicks. It's Eddie Royal. He went #42 overall and was intended to handle the kicking game while showing signs of being an impact WR. Also, Ginn wasn't demoted to protect him as a WR. He's on pace for 400 yards receiving. Bess is returning kicks because he's been better at it in the pros.

Maclin is a serendipitous player since he can dominate in the return game as well as receiver. He fits what we need to a T. Unfortunately, we won't get a whiff of him. He'll be long gone by the time we pick.

Eddie Royal has dropped to #3 behind Stokley. By next year he will not be returning anything if he cements his #2 spot. Like I said, by year 2 top WRs don't play special teams. He is a rookie and he wasn't expected to have a huge impact on the offense in his rookie season so he was made the returner. He surprised by having a huge impact on the offense (which has since dwindled - I can tell you for sure because he is on my fantasy team). He had one big game in the first week with Marshall out, and he isn't that important to the Broncos offense because they use a receiving TE (Scheffler) a ton. But like I said, wait for next year. If he is going to be the #2 WR for the Broncos like Maclin would be for the Falcons, he will not be the returner. That I promise you.

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I was replying to your prior comment in this vein while you were doing the same here. In short, I am diametrically opposed to you on this issue. Maclin is a potent receiver who will also excel in the return game. In fact, you already named a comparable player to him in Reggie Bush, who catches several passes a game and was a trip away from scoring 3 return TDs in the same game. The distinction you make about kickoffs versus punts is irrelevant. Maclin will be used at a minimum as a punt return guy and probably will handle kicks on occasion as well while still being a factor on offense every game.

Name me one #2 receiver in the NFL that returns kicks. I'll check back in the morning and the name count will be: 0. We can go back and forth on this forever. You are relying on your opinion and the fact that he is a dynamic return man and you think he should use his talent in the pros. I am relying on the fact that top receivers in the NFL do not play special teams because it exposes them to huge injury risks. Maclin will be drafted in the 1st round and will be a top WR for whatever team lands him. Reggie Bush is a complimentary back to Deuce McAllister and as a RB is used to taking hits so his injury risk is severely less than that of a WR.

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Eddie Royal has dropped to #3 behind Stokley.

Eddie Royal is pacing for 1,000 yards as a rookie. If that's a #3, the distinction is arcane and Stokley plays the slot anyway.

Like I said, by year 2 top WRs don't play special teams.

Bush is second in the NFL in receptions and handles returns. Period.

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