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Why we should NOT draft a DE in the 1st round


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There are many people on this board that want to draft a Defensive End (mostly Michael Johnson or Braian Orakpo) in the 1st round of the 2009 draft. One reason for this is because these people believe that Jamaal Anderson is a bust. Another reason is that people say "Look at the Giants - they have a bunch of really good pass rushers - and that's how they won a Superbowl. We need more good DEs like them so we can get a better pass rush and win a Superbowl!" Well, let's actually look at the Giants defensive linemen.

Defensive Ends

Michael Strahan (retired) - 2nd round pick

Justin Tuck - 3rd round pick

Dave Tollefson - 7th round pick

Mathias Kiwanuka - 1st round pick (on IR last year)

Defensive Tackles

Jay Alford - 3rd round pick

Barry Cofield - 4th round pick

Fred Robbins - 2nd round pick

There is one first round pick for the entire D-Line, Kiwanuka, and he is not even their best defensive end. The Giants used a bunch of mid round picks to get some quality guys and a low pick that worked out for them. We do not need another 1st round DE.

Secondly, I am not giving up on Jamaal Anderson. He showed for the first time yesterday that he can make it happen from the DE position in the NFL. I believe moving forward with his gained confidence and his first sack notched that he will vastly improve. Confidence is a huge plus for an NFL player and playing without it makes you infinitely worse. Imagine lining up at the LOS and thinking that you can't get to the quarterback no matter what you do. Now imagine lining up at the LOS and knowing that you can get to the QB and get a sack. It is a huge difference. If you think you can't do something, you won't be able to do it.

Over the next few years we can focus some mid-late round picks on talented D-line and target quality DL in free agency and we should be more than good.

Of course I am going to contradict myself in my next mock, as I want us to spend our 1st round pick next year on a Defense Tackle, but the points remains that a 1st round DE this year is absolutely unnecessary.

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here i am. i can see your point, and if we keep playing like this we wont have a shot at orakpo anyways.

i really think orakpo will be a beast though, and to be honest i dont think there would be many picks better in the top 10-15 than orakpo. abraham, orakpo, bierman and anderson would be a very good group of DE's.

anyways, i have us getting a DT in my new mock also. however i really dont want to go for a safety or a corner in the 1st. unless we can get malcolm jenkins (maybe william moore but i havent seen him play at all so i dont know how much i like him) i dont have much interest in anybody in the secondary in the 1st.

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good analysis in the post..

lets draft a DE in 3rd-4th round..for depth if nothing else..

There are many people on this board that want to draft a Defensive End (mostly Michael Johnson or Braian Orakpo) in the 1st round of the 2009 draft. One reason for this is because these people believe that Jamaal Anderson is a bust. Another reason is that people say "Look at the Giants - they have a bunch of really good pass rushers - and that's how they won a Superbowl. We need more good DEs like them so we can get a better pass rush and win a Superbowl!" Well, let's actually look at the Giants defensive linemen.

Defensive Ends

Michael Strahan (retired) - 2nd round pick

Justin Tuck - 3rd round pick

Dave Tollefson - 7th round pick

Mathias Kiwanuka - 1st round pick (on IR last year)

Defensive Tackles

Jay Alford - 3rd round pick

Barry Cofield - 4th round pick

Fred Robbins - 2nd round pick

There is one first round pick for the entire D-Line, Kiwanuka, and he is not even their best defensive end. The Giants used a bunch of mid round picks to get some quality guys and a low pick that worked out for them. We do not need another 1st round DE.

Secondly, I am not giving up on Jamaal Anderson. He showed for the first time yesterday that he can make it happen from the DE position in the NFL. I believe moving forward with his gained confidence and his first sack notched that he will vastly improve. Confidence is a huge plus for an NFL player and playing without it makes you infinitely worse. Imagine lining up at the LOS and thinking that you can't get to the quarterback no matter what you do. Now imagine lining up at the LOS and knowing that you can get to the QB and get a sack. It is a huge difference. If you think you can't do something, you won't be able to do it.

Over the next few years we can focus some mid-late round picks on talented D-line and target quality DL in free agency and we should be more than good.

Of course I am going to contradict myself in my next mock, as I want us to spend our 1st round pick next year on a Defense Tackle, but the points remains that a 1st round DE this year is absolutely unnecessary.

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we have Kroy, I'm telling you watch for him.

I don't think he was forgetting about Kroy, who is a good pass rush specialist, but more agreeing with the idea of having a lot of D-line talent. We could use another pass rush specialist on the defensive line...check the 6th round pick in my mock, it's one of the picks that will likely not change no matter how many versions I make.

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I love Brandon Swain.

wrong topic, but would you really take three offensive line men the first three picks?

Our O-line isn't bad, but I would like SS William Moore first or the NT from Alabama.

Then maybe some O-line.

Def should look at CB third if we don't look at someone like Darius Butler in the first.

The CB Rolle looks good at this spot instead of another O-lineman

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I love Brandon Swain.

wrong topic, but would you really take three offensive line men the first three picks?

Our O-line isn't bad, but I would like SS William Moore first or the NT from Alabama.

Then maybe some O-line.

Def should look at CB third if we don't look at someone like Darius Butler in the first.

The CB Rolle looks good at this spot instead of another O-lineman

I will tell you that in my new mock there is only one linemen in the first three picks. There were actually only two offensive linemen in my first 3 picks, but the 4th pick was also an offensive lineman, so if you might have meant 3 out of 4 being O-line..?

Rolle is a safety. Butler is a player who doesn't have a true position. He plays CB and WR for UConn and returns kicks. Players like that usually end up being WRs in the NFL because they don't spend the time refining their techniques which are harder to master on the defensive side since you are not dictating the moves but responding to them.

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Independent of either Anderson or any particular player in this draft, I will never be torn up by our drafting a DE early on. They're like left-handed pitchers. You cannot have enough of them. The Giants have proven this. Strahan retires, Umenyiora goes down and all they have to do is move Prince Mathias around to book-end Tuck. If they had stopped with Strahan and Umenyiora and not "wasted" first day picks on Tuck and Kiwanuka, they would be absolutely screwed right now instead of a one loss football team.

Arizona has the right idea. Bring in all the pass rushers you can. Romo hits the dirt half the times he attempts to pass and suddenly the infallible Cowboys are on the losing end to the Cardinals. That's the way this game is played.

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Independent of either Anderson or any particular player in this draft, I will never be torn up by our drafting a DE early on. They're like left-handed pitchers. You cannot have enough of them. The Giants have proven this. Strahan retires, Umenyiora goes down and all they have to do is move Prince Mathias around to book-end Tuck. If they had stopped with Strahan and Umenyiora and not "wasted" first day picks on Tuck and Kiwanuka, they would be absolutely screwed right now instead of a one loss football team.

Arizona has the right idea. Bring in all the pass rushers you can. Romo hits the dirt half the times he attempts to pass and suddenly the infallible Cowboys are on the losing end to the Cardinals. That's the way this game is played.

Did you need read a thing I said?

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