jdu00743 Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Maybe even the country.People always list him off as one of the top coaches.....Why.....?In 13.5 years as a head coach in the SEC, he has:- 1 SEC Title- 0 National Championships- 2 10 win seasons- Only won the SEC West 2 times- His record is 107-54, which averages out to a little worse than 8-4 per yearCompare that to any other "elite" SEC head coaches resume, and Tuberville doesn't even come close. He has survived by constantly getting rid of his coordinators to shift blame away from himself.All this while coaching in the 7th most talent rich state for high school football. The only SEC coaches with better recruiting bases are Urban Meyer (Fl. is #2 state) and Richt (#4 state)...Not to mention UGA and Florida are in the SEC East, which gives him no excuse for only being in the SECCG twice.Really not very good if you ask me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonKat Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Sincerely,John Lovett Noel MazzoneDavid GibbsAl BorgesSteve EnsmingerHugh NallTony Franklin* Coordinators terminated or who had duties removed by Tuberville during his tenure at Auburn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dago Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Maybe even the country.People always list him off as one of the top coaches.....Why.....?In 13.5 years as a head coach in the SEC, he has:- 1 SEC Title- 0 National Championships- 2 10 win seasons- Only won the SEC West 2 times- His record is 107-54, which averages out to a little worse than 8-4 per yearCompare that to any other "elite" SEC head coaches resume, and Tuberville doesn't even come close. He has survived by constantly getting rid of his coordinators to shift blame away from himself.All this while coaching in the 7th most talent rich state for high school football. The only SEC coaches with better recruiting bases are Urban Meyer (Fl. is #2 state) and Richt (#4 state)...Not to mention UGA and Florida are in the SEC East, which gives him no excuse for only being in the SECCG twice.Really not very good if you ask me.where does Louisiana fall in those rankings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdu00743 Posted October 9, 2008 Author Share Posted October 9, 2008 where does Louisiana fall in those rankings#112002-2008 BCS schools only. Number produced by each state of letters of intent. Broken down by Rivals starsRank States/Countries Five Four Three Two Total ********** 1 Texas 29 250 628 467 1,3742 Florida 43 305 482 526 1,3563 California 37 282 547 303 1,1694 Georgia 12 144 269 248 6735 Ohio 12 81 206 211 5106 Pennsylvania 7 76 155 141 3797 Alabama 7 66 141 121 3358 N Jersey 6 57 141 120 3249 N Carolina 7 65 137 94 30310 Virginia 9 57 130 100 29611 Louisiana 11 78 119 63 27112 Illinois 8 38 135 81 26213 S Carolina 7 57 110 64 23814 Mississippi 5 52 97 65 21915 Tennessee 8 41 77 80 20616 Michigan 5 50 80 68 20317 Maryland 6 43 59 81 18918 Oklahoma 3 26 89 51 16919 Missouri 1 30 83 54 16820 Washington 4 25 74 50 15321 New York 2 23 50 69 14422 Kentucky 0 15 51 69 13523 Arizona 3 24 66 34 12724 Indiana 2 10 44 67 12325 Arkansas 2 25 54 32 11326 Kansas 1 14 50 38 10327 Iowa 0 8 43 43 9428 Minnesota 1 14 47 31 9329 Colorado 3 18 52 17 9030 Connecticut 1 8 26 42 7731 Wisconsin 2 14 21 39 7632 Hawaii 2 9 34 20 6533 Oregon 1 8 23 33 6534 Nebraska 1 12 26 25 6435 Massachusetts 0 4 29 24 5736 Canada 0 2 15 32 4937 DC 2 9 12 15 3838 Nevada 1 4 16 12 3339 Utah 1 7 10 10 2840 West Virginia 0 3 10 7 2041 Delaware 0 3 8 4 1542 N Hampshire 0 1 5 8 1443 Idaho 1 1 5 6 1344 N Mexico 0 3 2 2 745 Samoa 0 1 4 2 746 Montana 0 0 4 2 647 S Dakota 0 2 2 1 548 Rhode Island 0 1 1 3 549 Australia 0 1 1 1 350 Germany 0 0 1 2 351 Alaska 1 1 0 0 252 N Dakota 0 0 1 1 253 Pago Pago 0 0 1 1 254 Bosnia 0 0 1 0 155 England 0 0 0 1 156 Jordan 0 0 1 0 157 Maine 0 0 0 1 158 Sweden 0 0 0 1 159 Wyoming 0 0 0 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dago Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 i was curious about how the states rank when population is taken into account....its easy for states like Florida, California, and Texas to be highly ranked when they have such large populations. So i made a ratio of the number of total ranked players and the number of 5 stars compared to the total population (i am bored and drinking....leave me the **** alone )1)Florida 1:13,340 1:420,6972)Alabama 1:13,728 1:657,0003)Georgia 1:13,913 1:780,3334)Louisiana 1:15,822 1:389,8185)S. Carolina 1:18,155 1:617,2856)Ohio 1:22,505 1:956,5007)Virginia 1:25,821 1:849,2228)Mississippi 1:26,680 1:1,168,0009)New Jersey 1:26,929 1:1,454,16610)Tennessee 1:29,315 1:754,875anybody see a pattern here? only two states in the top 10 is not located in the south. Louisiana produces the best ratio of 5 star recruits by a large margin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SacFalcFan Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Dago,Nice breakdown, but what time frame did you collect that data? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dago Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I used the state populations listed from July, 2006 along with the rankings listed by jdu. I know that means there might be some slight changes, but thats about as accurate as you will get.Just proof that the south produces the greatest football talent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demetrius Dew Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I used the state populations listed from July, 2006 along with the rankings listed by jdu. I know that means there might be some slight changes, but thats about as accurate as you will get.Just proof that the south produces the greatest football talentHas that every been up for debate? :huh: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demetrius Dew Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Maybe even the country.People always list him off as one of the top coaches.....Why.....?In 13.5 years as a head coach in the SEC, he has:- 1 SEC Title- 0 National Championships- 2 10 win seasons- Only won the SEC West 2 times- His record is 107-54, which averages out to a little worse than 8-4 per yearCompare that to any other "elite" SEC head coaches resume, and Tuberville doesn't even come close. He has survived by constantly getting rid of his coordinators to shift blame away from himself.All this while coaching in the 7th most talent rich state for high school football. The only SEC coaches with better recruiting bases are Urban Meyer (Fl. is #2 state) and Richt (#4 state)...Not to mention UGA and Florida are in the SEC East, which gives him no excuse for only being in the SECCG twice.Really not very good if you ask me.8-4 is a winning record and considering do they expect much more out of Auburn than? If you look at other coaches records that don't play in the SEC that is a pretty good resume considering he does Coach in the SEC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dago Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Has that every been up for debate? :huh:but now there is empirical evidence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dago Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P :P for Dew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dago Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: and again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepItDownHomeCuz Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Maybe even the country.People always list him off as one of the top coaches.....Why.....?In 13.5 years as a head coach in the SEC, he has:- 1 SEC Title- 0 National Championships- 2 10 win seasons- Only won the SEC West 2 times- His record is 107-54, which averages out to a little worse than 8-4 per yearCompare that to any other "elite" SEC head coaches resume, and Tuberville doesn't even come close. He has survived by constantly getting rid of his coordinators to shift blame away from himself.All this while coaching in the 7th most talent rich state for high school football. The only SEC coaches with better recruiting bases are Urban Meyer (Fl. is #2 state) and Richt (#4 state)...Not to mention UGA and Florida are in the SEC East, which gives him no excuse for only being in the SECCG twice.Really not very good if you ask me.When is the last time Phat Phil beat Tommy?Sincerely,John Lovett Noel MazzoneDavid GibbsAl BorgesSteve EnsmingerHugh NallTony Franklin* Coordinators terminated or who had duties removed by Tuberville during his tenure at Auburn.Mike DuBoseDennis FranchioneMike PriceMike ShulaJoe Kines* Head coaches terminated or who had duties removed during Tuberville's tenure at Auburn. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demetrius Dew Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 but now there is empirical evidence :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clemumo82 Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 When is the last time Phat Phil beat Tommy?Mike DuBoseDennis FranchioneMike PriceMike ShulaJoe Kines* Head coaches terminated or who had duties removed during Tuberville's tenure at Auburn.Uhh, Franchione left on his own. He wasn't fired. DuBose and Price? You're really going to argue on that? I'd think their actions justified their removal. Ok, Shula is a fair point, but it's hard to argue it was the wrong move with the success Saban is currently having. Kines was just an interim coach, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demetrius Dew Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 :P :P :P for Dew :lol: and again <_< Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demetrius Dew Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Mike DuBoseDennis FranchioneMike PriceMike ShulaJoe Kines* Head coaches terminated or who had duties removed during Tuberville's tenure at Auburn. :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demetrius Dew Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 :P :P :P :P for Dew :lol: :lol: and againPadding your post count at my expense I see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KeepItDownHomeCuz Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Uhh, Franchione left on his own. He wasn't fired. DuBose and Price? You're really going to argue on that? I'd think their actions justified their removal. Ok, Shula is a fair point, but it's hard to argue it was the wrong move with the success Saban is currently having. Kines was just an interim coach, right?Okay apparently you missed the point, don't worry I will explain it to you, now listen carefully... you ready for?Alabama has been through tons of head coaches and have no room to talk about another school going through coordinators, and by the way Nall and Ensminger were both interim guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Remarkable Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I believe CrimsonKat's point was that some of those coordinators undeservingly took the fall for Tuberville. So naming off former Bama coaches really has no relevance. And "Phat Phil" would be the most overrated if anyone still expected anything from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
c_ponder Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Okay apparently you missed the point, don't worry I will explain it to you, now listen carefully... you ready for?Alabama has been through tons of head coaches and have no room to talk about another school going through coordinators, and by the way Nall and Ensminger were both interim guys.Tons? Auburn has one coach that cant seem to find a OC that can be successful for him or one that he doesnt use as a scapegoat to save his job. Thats the difference, At least bama will ax the head coaches too. TT is the one who should be held accountable. The only reason he is still there is because of his success against Alabama.. If he doesnt have that record then he is not there IMO.. Good luck finding a new OC, maybe Petrino will be looking for a job soon.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clemumo82 Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 Okay apparently you missed the point, don't worry I will explain it to you, now listen carefully... you ready for?Alabama has been through tons of head coaches and have no room to talk about another school going through coordinators, and by the way Nall and Ensminger were both interim guys.I think you missed Crimson's point, so hop off the high and mighty horse you're on and re-read his post. We all know Bama has ran through a lot of head coaches the last decade, and you should see why Franchione, Price, Shula, etc. have no relevance to his point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demetrius Dew Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 As long as you win and beat your #1 rival I don't thank you can be overrated as a College Football Head Coach and Tommy Tuberville has done both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clemumo82 Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 As long as you win and beat your #1 rival I don't thank you can be overrated as a College Football Head Coach and Tommy Tuberville has done both.Tommy Bowden says hi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SacFalcFan Posted October 9, 2008 Share Posted October 9, 2008 I believe CrimsonKat's point was that some of those coordinators undeservingly took the fall for Tuberville. So naming off former Bama coaches really has no relevance. And "Phat Phil" would be the most overrated if anyone still expected anything from him.his point was correct as well and regarding phil we had fans on here that wear orange saying he was arguably the 2nd best coach in SEC HISTORY!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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