michaelgee Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Stone's legal problem over the summer, not even sure what it was. Could that be a factor?JWill had a legal problem too and he's already gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norwood'sblur Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 dui and i hope not; kid was a baller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oregonsfan Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Stone's legal problem over the summer, not even sure what it was. Could that be a factor?JWill had a legal problem too and he's already gone.Obviously I don't know for a fact one way or the other, but I can say this: If I were a GM and was trying to decide about a particular player, and I knew it was possible he may face sanctions under the personal conduct policy, it would make a difference to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sporkdevil Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 I'd be pissed if we cut a guy for 1 DUI. Especially a guy who can play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harveybirdman Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 I bet it certainly didn't help. But one poster summed it up, I think by saying the other guys we kept can play both Safety positions and it seems versatility is an important TD/Smith philosophy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iDash Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 I believe , he also can be Put on the PS, a few Cut players wil be off the roster for all but a Day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwell1 Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 I bet it certainly didn't help. But one poster summed it up, I think by saying the other guys we kept can play both Safety positions and it seems versatility is an important TD/Smith philosophy.Stone has shown range in coverage and we all know he can hit. Harris hasn't ever done a **** thing at safety besides get beat for a TD by Bobby Engram last year. He was no better than Jimmy there either. and Stone is a better ST guy also. I wish I knew the reason. Harris was invisible during the pre-season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwell1 Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 I believe , he also can be Put on the PS, a few Cut players wil be off the roster for all but a Dayhe can but he won't stay there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ugadawg Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Stone has shown range in coverage and we all know he can hit. Harris hasn't ever done a **** thing at safety besides get beat for a TD by Bobby Engram last year. He was no better than Jimmy there either. and Stone is a better ST guy also. I wish I knew the reason. Harris was invisible during the pre-season.agreed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
harveybirdman Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Stone has shown range in coverage and we all know he can hit. Harris hasn't ever done a **** thing at safety besides get beat for a TD by Bobby Engram last year. He was no better than Jimmy there either. and Stone is a better ST guy also. I wish I knew the reason. Harris was invisible during the pre-season.I don't disagree with you... I'm still trying to rationalize it myself... Maybe there's more too it than we think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Norwood'sblur Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Stone has shown range in coverage and we all know he can hit. Harris hasn't ever done a **** thing at safety besides get beat for a TD by Bobby Engram last year. He was no better than Jimmy there either. and Stone is a better ST guy also. I wish I knew the reason. Harris was invisible uring the pre-season.stone struggled in deep coverage; decoud and harris are both converted corners-i think that is the reason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FalconFan13 Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 I don't think so as much. I think the other guys offered more than stone. Stone was a pure SS nothing else. Decoud was a SS/FS Harris was a FS/CB. All 3 can play ST pretty well so with the other 2 having more experience else where they was kept while stone was not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice of Reason Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Harris can play both safety and cb. All Stome could do was miss his assignments on defense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Purple Label Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 stone struggled in deep coverage; decoud and harris are both converted corners-i think that is the reasonDeCoud's only bright spot in the last preseason game was his INT. Other than that. he couldn't cover his own feet with socks and shoes.Stone was looking like our best safety, aside from Milloy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michaelgee Posted August 31, 2008 Author Share Posted August 31, 2008 I don't disagree with you... I'm still trying to rationalize it myself... Maybe there's more too it than we think.I loved the way Daren hit, he was a heavy hitter.I just hate that he is gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice of Reason Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 I loved the way Daren hit, he was a heavy hitter.I just hate that he is gone. I loved his head hunter mentality, but he never did wrap up. This happened over and over and is a dangerous thing to do as a safety. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwell1 Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 I don't think so as much. I think the other guys offered more than stone. Stone was a pure SS nothing else. Decoud was a SS/FS Harris was a FS/CB. All 3 can play ST pretty well so with the other 2 having more experience else where they was kept while stone was not.what? Harris was a practice squad scrub till his old Louisville coach came and gave him a job. When Stone got in the game last year at safety he wasn't a liability at all. He's better in coverage than y'all give him credit for and Harris sure wasn't good back there. Stone wasn't the one giving up long touchdowns. and he sure had a better shot covering long than Milloy. If we can disguise him why not Stone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwell1 Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 I loved his head hunter mentality, but he never did wrap up. This happened over and over and is a dangerous thing to do as a safety.what Stone were u watching? he does wrap up when he needs to. If he's persuing someone he reaches out and wraps them up. If he has a clear shot, he takes it and connects. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Purple Label Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 what? Harris was a practice squad scrub till his old Louisville coach came and gave him a job. When Stone got in the game last year at safety he wasn't a liability at all. He's better in coverage than y'all give him credit for and Harris sure wasn't good back there. Stone wasn't the one giving up long touchdowns.Yep, Harris is as sorry this season as he was last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice of Reason Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 what? Harris was a practice squad scrub till his old Louisville coach came and gave him a job. When Stone got in the game last year at safety he wasn't a liability at all. He's better in coverage than y'all give him credit for and Harris sure wasn't good back there. Stone wasn't the one giving up long touchdowns. I will say this, I think Stone's ceiling is WAY WAY WAY higher than Harris. However, Smitty has repeatedly mentioned the importance of safeties who can play corner and vice versa. If you are a 2nd stringer, you must have versatiity. Now, I know Harris isn't anything special. But, he can play corner in a pinch. This, in my opinion, was key. I only hope we can land Stone on our PS and let him develop. The man is a rediculous athlete and could be a top-notch safety with some development. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwell1 Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 Yep, Harris is as sorry this season as he was last season.it can't be a football decision because Stone was out there making plays and took over the #2 job behind Milloy over Cooper. Harris wasn't even good enough to barely touch the field at safety. and he did nothing to prove better than Stone. Somebody said he doesn't wrap up? he got the guys down didn't he?ask Anquan Boldin about him. It was actually DeCoud that kept missing tackles and angles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voice of Reason Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 And no, he failed to wrap-up every time. Again, I loved his head-hunter mentality. But against NFL 1st stringers, this won't play. Watch those preseason hits again. Most (if not all) of the time the player was not taken down by Stone. Sure, he laid a lick on them (something a good safety needs to do) but he never made any of those hits tackles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazoo Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 DeCoud's only bright spot in the last preseason game was his INT. Other than that. he couldn't cover his own feet with socks and shoes.Stone was looking like our best safety, aside from Milloy.mr purple, PLEASE do not put MLK in the same category as Obama. My God, I have incredible utmost respect for the honorable MLK and Obama is nothing but a well spoken phony that is deep high in cronyism. Obama won't give a gdam straight answer on anything. These two men are worlds apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwell1 Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 And no, he failed to wrap-up every time. Again, I loved his head-hunter mentality. But against NFL 1st stringers, this won't play. Watch those preseason hits again. Most (if not all) of the time the player was not taken down by Stone. Sure, he laid a lick on them (something a good safety needs to do) but he never made any of those hits tackles.did u miss when he played last year? those weren't pre-season games. I've seen him come from the opposite side of the field to make a TD saving WRAP UP tackle on Stephen Jackson. U have to wrap that guy up. Stone can wrap up so don't even try to argue because you're wrong. Was DeCoud wrapping up while missing all those tackles safeties HAVE to make,which is their main job,to be the last line of defense? Was Stone not getting the ball carriers on the turf? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwell1 Posted August 31, 2008 Share Posted August 31, 2008 mr purple, PLEASE do not put MLK in the same category as Obama. My God, I have incredible utmost respect for the honorable MLK and Obama is nothing but a well spoken phony that is deep high in cronyism. Obama won't give a gdam straight answer on anything. These two men are worlds apart.go away, we're talking football here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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