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Despite what many people believe, we didn't lose a great passer last year. We lost a great runner.

From the great seasons in 2002 and 2004 (playoffs seasons) to the losing seasons (2006 and 2007) the greatest failure was in our running game.

PASSING GAME

2007 #18 336/555 60.5 3296 206.0 6.44 18 Td 15 int 47 Sk Qb rat 78.9

2006 #32 222/416 53.4 2371 148.2 6.45 21 Td 15 int 47 Sk Qb rat 75.2

2005 #27 247/451 54.8 2679 167.4 6.45 19 Td 13 int 39 Sk Qb rat 76.6

2004 #30 217/395 54.9 2412 150.8 6.82 15 Td 16 int 50 Sk Qb rat 72.0

2002 #23 268/479 56.0 3167 197.9 7.07 18 Td 12 int 36 Sk Qb rat 80.2

RUSHING GAME

2007 #26th 1520 3.9 95.0 7 rTD 9 FL

2006 #1st 2939 5.5 183.7 9 rTD 5 FL

2005 #1st 2546 4.8 159.1 17 rTD 12 FL

2004 #1st 2672 5.1 167.0 20 rTD 13 FL

2002 #4th 2368 4.5 148.0 23 rTD 13 F

If you compare the stats, you can clearly understand that we completely missed our running game in both our losing seasons, but the greatest failure was in 2007.

There is a big difference between a season with 2672 rushing yards+20 rushing Tds and a season with 1520 rushing yards+7 rushing tds...

We lost our best runner and we didn't find someone to replace him.

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heretic (6/23/2008)
Despite what many people believe, we didn't lose a great passer last year. We lost a great runner.

From the great seasons in 2002 and 2004 (playoffs seasons) to the losing seasons (2006 and 2007) the greatest failure was in our running game.

PASSING GAME

2007 #18 336/555 60.5 3296 206.0 6.44 18 Td 15 int 47 Sk Qb rat 78.9

2006 #32 222/416 53.4 2371 148.2 6.45 21 Td 15 int 47 Sk Qb rat 75.2

2005 #27 247/451 54.8 2679 167.4 6.45 19 Td 13 int 39 Sk Qb rat 76.6

2004 #30 217/395 54.9 2412 150.8 6.82 15 Td 16 int 50 Sk Qb rat 72.0

2002 #23 268/479 56.0 3167 197.9 7.07 18 Td 12 int 36 Sk Qb rat 80.2

RUSHING GAME

2007 #26th 1520 3.9 95.0 7 rTD 9 FL

2006 #1st 2939 5.5 183.7 9 rTD 5 FL

2005 #1st 2546 4.8 159.1 17 rTD 12 FL

2004 #1st 2672 5.1 167.0 20 rTD 13 FL

2002 #4th 2368 4.5 148.0 23 rTD 13 F

If you compare the stats, you can clearly understand that we completely missed our running game in both our losing seasons, but the greatest failure was in 2007.

We lost our best runner and we didn't find someone to replace him.

You can't replace that type of player....unless you bring back R. Cunningham. :)

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natod12 (6/23/2008)
who needs passing when u have a running game like that? in all seriousness i know its past history and hind sights 20/20 but we should have got moss. he wanted to be here and all vick would have to do is get it close to him.

moss would have wanted out after the 07 season though. he isnt cool with losing.

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heretic (6/23/2008)
Despite what many people believe, we didn't lose a great passer last year. We lost a great runner.

From the great seasons in 2002 and 2004 (playoffs seasons) to the losing seasons (2006 and 2007) the greatest failure was in our running game.

PASSING GAME

2007 #18 336/555 60.5 3296 206.0 6.44 18 Td 15 int 47 Sk Qb rat 78.9

2006 #32 222/416 53.4 2371 148.2 6.45 21 Td 15 int 47 Sk Qb rat 75.2

2005 #27 247/451 54.8 2679 167.4 6.45 19 Td 13 int 39 Sk Qb rat 76.6

2004 #30 217/395 54.9 2412 150.8 6.82 15 Td 16 int 50 Sk Qb rat 72.0

2002 #23 268/479 56.0 3167 197.9 7.07 18 Td 12 int 36 Sk Qb rat 80.2

RUSHING GAME

2007 #26th 1520 3.9 95.0 7 rTD 9 FL

2006 #1st 2939 5.5 183.7 9 rTD 5 FL

2005 #1st 2546 4.8 159.1 17 rTD 12 FL

2004 #1st 2672 5.1 167.0 20 rTD 13 FL

2002 #4th 2368 4.5 148.0 23 rTD 13 F

If you compare the stats, you can clearly understand that we completely missed our running game in both our losing seasons, but the greatest failure was in 2007.

There is a big difference between a season with 2672 rushing yards+20 rushing Tds and a season with 1520 rushing yards+7 rushing tds...

We lost our best runner and we didn't find someone to replace him.

Good post. A lot of people just don't understand or they refuse to except the truth.

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heretic (6/23/2008)
saying he was a great runner and that we missed his runs it's "bashing him"?

:w00t:

No,  it was more for the Dunn comment.

And of course Vick wasn't the greatest passer but it was the amount of attention that he commanded playing under center that masked all the other "short-cuts" that were made over the years...

And it wasn't JUST losing Vick that killed us... it was hiring a guy that had NO experience dealing with NFL players and playing NFL teams

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heretic (6/23/2008)
saying he was a great runner and that we missed his runs it's "bashing him"?

:w00t:

No,  it was more for the Dunn comment.

And of course Vick wasn't the greatest passer but it was the amount of attention that he commanded playing under center that masked all the other "short-cuts" that were made over the years...

And it wasn't JUST losing Vick that killed us... it was hiring a guy that had NO experience dealing with NFL players and playing NFL teams

...Plus getting rid of Dan Reeves...mistake #1...

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do we even know how good of a passer he was?

His college passer rating was higher than matt ryan.

when he got to the NFL, his first year as a starter he threw for 3000 yards, then they got rid of an offensive coach and hired bozo the clown as head coach and boo boo the fool as offensive coordinator.  They inturn choose dez white and peerless price to be the WR he had to throw to.  They desided to use his running ability instead of developing his passing ability.

that is a coaches decision.  they didn't even have audibles in the gameplan, so every play you saw was exactly what the COACHES wanted.  Fast foward to the 2005&2006 seasons.

if you think that all those drops didn't effect the confindence of the QB, you just don't wanna be open minded.  the offensive line was  fined if they gained too much weight. rookie and second year WRs as your starters will get you killed in the pocket.  these are all factors that contribute to running with the ball rather than standing there waiting for the sack.

lets be fair about the WHOLE situation. They are a lot of factors that contribute to passing stats.

I hear people hear gripe about he threw the ball so hard that the WR couldn't catch it!!

that is crap.  john elway and brett favre threw so hard that WRs would get broken fingers to CATCH the ball.  no let it slip through for a pick 6.  in Vicks last 2 years as starters, the WR play was the worst in the NFL, partly because they were called on to block most of the game by the COACHES.  therefore never really getting into a rhythm with the QB and being able to set up moves for later in the game.  Jenkins was vicks best WR and he isn't even starting now, he may not even make the team.  that tells you something.  If you are going to criticize, look deeper than stats.  because although you didn't think he could pass, he took the team to the playoffs in 2 of his 4 years as a full time starter and won a playoff game in both of those seasons.  not bad for a guy who was 26 when he last played.  He screwed himself up when he would have had his greatest opportunity to grow as a passer and be apart of an offense that would allow him to be that guy you all wanted to see.

we blast petrino, but he would have been tough to deal with if he had vick.  all of those sacks they took last year would not have been sacks...they would have been 10 yard runs for 1st downs.

OPEN YOUR MIND.

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natod12 (6/23/2008)
who needs passing when u have a running game like that? in all seriousness i know its past history and hind sights 20/20 but we should have got moss. he wanted to be here and all vick would have to do is get it close to him.

moss would have wanted out after the 07 season though. he isnt cool with losing.

well i know he real happy now:w00t::w00t:

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Sun Tzu 7 (6/23/2008)
heretic (6/23/2008)
saying he was a great runner and that we missed his runs it's "bashing him"?

:w00t:

No,  it was more for the Dunn comment.

And of course Vick wasn't the greatest passer but it was the amount of attention that he commanded playing under center that masked all the other "short-cuts" that were made over the years...

And it wasn't JUST losing Vick that killed us... it was hiring a guy that had NO experience dealing with NFL players and playing NFL teams

...Plus getting rid of Dan Reeves...mistake #1...

Reeves was let go because he was/is a control freak who would not give up the personnel authority to a good GM. Unfortunately,  McKay was no better than he was, they both stunk.  Hopefully, TD will change this trend.

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Reeves was let go because he was/is a control freak who would not give up the personnel authority to a good GM. Unfortunately,  McKay was no better than he was, they both stunk.  Hopefully, TD will change this trend.

Actually,  Reeves gave up some of his personnel power in 2003.

Look at the team.  How many Reeves players are still on the team vs. McKay's first 2 drafts?

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heretic (6/23/2008)
saying he was a great runner and that we missed his runs it's "bashing him"?

:w00t:

No, it was more for the Dunn comment.

And of course Vick wasn't the greatest passer but it was the amount of attention that he commanded playing under center that masked all the other "short-cuts" that were made over the years...

And it wasn't JUST losing Vick that killed us... it was hiring a guy that had NO experience dealing with NFL players and playing NFL teams

In case you missed it, the 2006 season ended 7-9

We lost our running game, losing rushing Tds and Redzone efficiency

just check the stats and remember

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In case you missed it, the 2006 season ended 7-9

We lost our running game, losing rushing Tds and Redzone efficiency

just check the stats and remember

Oh,  I get it.  You're a "stat guy."

Our offensive line personnel favored a zone blocking scheme.  Petrino didn't want to do that.  He was going to use HIS system even though he didn't have personnel for it.  So we signed a full back and drafted a guard and everyone else thought that was more than enough to make the change.  I didn't and we all see that now.

So changing the blocking scheme had more to do with the drop in the running game than you think. 

Do me a favor.  What were our running statistics like after Petrino left and we went back to more of a zone blocking scheme?  Did we run the ball better?

Also, how did Oakland do in the running department 2 years ago and then last year when our old OC and OL Coach got there and implemented our old running game?

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heretic (6/23/2008)
Despite what many people believe, we didn't lose a great passer last year. We lost a great runner.

You might have a point if you could find just one person who ever claimed Vick to be a great passer.  Even his biggest fans and supporters would not be so delusional as to make such a claim.

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